What do in-game achievements or Trophies have to do with eSports?
Based on what? A Melee HD would bring in plenty of fresh blood into the scene by making it far more easier to join it. Melee fans play on CRTS because it's the best option. Dolphin isn't 100% accurate and just connecting a Gamecube/Wii to a monitor/HDTV adds horrendous upscale lag, something a Melee HD wouldn't have to deal with.
Again, why do you think that wouldn't be the case? I'm entirely unfamiliar with the changes made to SF2HD. The pro this thread is about has repeatedly expressed desire for such a game happening and he as well as virtually every other top level player regularly practice on a modded, HD, online enabled version of the game anyway which is essentially what an optimized port would be.
Most people would probably consider them to be basic, essential features that require little effort to implement. Thus, the line of thinking is if Nintendo doesn't do trophies/achievements, there's no way they're gonna put in the effort to support eSports outside of some Invitationals at E3.
And yet it's gone in 4.
maybe because to sakurai it is first and foremost a party game and a fighting game second hmmmm
Smash isn't really about high skill ceiling.
Its about the Characters and its legacy with Nintendo. As long as it plays like Smash, its not gonna start a riot. Its a vocal minority
Because they'd be pissed the the HD lag is too much or that they removed some glitches, or that they tweaked it in any way.
That's a strange leap.
I agree with you, but my point is that insisting Sakurai is bad for the series because of tripping in brawl (which was bad, yes) is silly when he took it out of 4.Oh well yeah because everyone hated it! And cried. Obviously I'm in the minority but people still casually love every fighting game with high skill ceilings: I don't think you have to purposefully screw on training wheels! That's just my personal opinion though: I don't think a party game needs to be balanced to people's grandparents
Smash Bros. Melee has been a mainstay in the competitive gaming space for a long time. What we're doing—and our take on his space is we want to encourage the community. We want to enable them to put on tournaments and to have fun and for the players themselves to participate in these types of situations. That's our view of this space."
Nintendo just doesn't want to do a league. Fils-Aime said as much to me when describing the company's philosophy about competitive gaming: ”It's community-oriented. It's enabling the community to drive it forward. We have relationships, obviously, with entities like Evo and Battlefly. We want to do this much more at a grassroots level than others' visions around leagues and big up-front payments and things of that nature."
release melee HD then?
I mean, if you really "want to enable them to put on tournaments", make it easier for them to do so? To run tournaments, they need gamecubes/wiis, melee's gamecube discs, gamecube controllers and hundreds of CRT tvs, archaic stuff.
At the very least, having melee on the latest nintendo console would make it accesible, so that anyone could pick it up try it, without needing a powerfull pc for dolphin or a gamecube/wii, a melee disc, a gamecube controller, and a f*cking CRT.
And no, nintendo wouldn`t be releasing melee hd "just for them", don't be delusional. Melee had a relly high attach rate on the gamecube and it is very popular nowadays. There's no world in which a melee re release loses money.
Furthermore, melee it's not just "another smash bros game, but with less characters", there's a reason while people still play it, it feels completely different compared to the newer smash games, even at a basic level (the physics alone are radically different). It would be great if people could get to play it, i think they would enjoy it.
And no, between Melee HD and Smash 5 or even Smash 4 Switch, mainstream people will be buying the newer one. So there is no financial incentive to sell a remastered Melee except on virtual console.
Except they do support games like Melee by sponsoring major tournaments like evo. I'm not really sure what Hungrybox wants except maybe them throwing a huge amount of money in the pot, which would ultimately really only benefit the top 8-16 players anyways (which would include Hungrybox so no shit he wants it)
I agree with you, but my point is that insisting Sakurai is bad for the series because of tripping in brawl (which was bad, yes) is silly when he took it out of 4.
I don't agree at all that all of the extra stuff in 4 is a detriment to the game's competitive side. You can just ignore it for tournaments.
It's easier when he doesn't have to cover for NCL fuck ups.that's actually a great response from Reggie
did they update his PR software or something? between this and the Metroid stuff he's been saying all the right things
regarding the bolded:It's not about taking over grassroots tournaments, but supporting them so they can flourish instead of flounder and draw more people into the game by having events in areas that can't support grassroots level ones. It's about recognizing that a large group of your customers consume games in a certain way and trying to appeal to them by releasing games they actually want instead of slingshotting backwards so hard they dump a bunch of anti-competitive game mechanics into its sequel to try to kill the scene.
And as much as some people want to to stay grassroots so players don't have to behave themselves, it allows toxic communities to fester and push away a lot of people. Hell if the only thing Nintendo forced was deodorant in exchange for official support that would make Melee 1000% more inviting for new players.
Put Melee HD out on switch but make items necessary and take out Final Destination
Just drive the goddamn knife in
regarding the bolded:
hahahahahahahahahaha
More people watch Melee top cuts on non official streams than people watch or attend official Pokemon VGC/TCG competitions and the number isn't even close yet The Pokemon Company runs those events all year long all over the world. Not bad for an ancient game with zero support.
As others said, Melee HD would simply cause controversy because they would inevitably remove wavedashing (at the very least of any gameplay changes)
why would releasing melee HD make them more money if people will watch the gamecube one? what's the difference to nintendo except them spending money to make a game hardly anyone will buy?
regarding the bolded:
hahahahahahahahahaha
Ya, Nintendo doesn't do money prizes.Except they do support games like Melee by sponsoring major tournaments like evo. I'm not really sure what Hungrybox wants except maybe them throwing a huge amount of money in the pot, which would ultimately really only benefit the top 8-16 players anyways (which would include Hungrybox so no shit he wants it)
E sports isn't a part of nintendos brand and people should learn to accept that.
Melee is one of the most popular fighting games, in fact I guarantee that you could find a local tournament happening this week if you live in a relatively urban area.regarding the bolded:
hahahahahahahahahaha
Before the thread devolves into "entitled Melee fans need to MOVE ON" and other 4chan tier posts, I'd like to say that I wholeheartedly agree with Hungrybox. I feel like he's in the right and I wish Nintendo would do more to make Smash as whole reach it's potential. Same thing with Pokken and Splatoon really. And ARMS lol
what's the difference to nintendo except them spending money to make a game hardly anyone will buy?
More people watch Melee top cuts on non official streams than people watch or attend official Pokemon VGC/TCG competitions and the number isn't even close yet The Pokemon Company runs those events all year long all over the world. Not bad for an ancient game with zero support.
E sports isn't a part of nintendos brand and people should learn to accept that.
I don't think Nintendo should be held to a standard no other company has, NO ONE supports a 16 year old game competivily and especially not a game that has gotten 2 sequels after it.
and Hungrybox, how the f*ck did you ask for a league before asking for melee hd? having the game on a modern platform comes first.
E sports isn't a part of nintendos brand and people should learn to accept that.
Seeing their initiatives with Arms Pokken and Splatoon, E-Sports is becoming a focus for Nintendo. With that said, I imagine that they don't want to dedicate resources to a game made 4 console generations ago that requires CRT televisions, and consoles and controllers that are no longer being manufactured.
Nintendo doesn't even have voice chat or trophies, you're asking for a blizzard in the desert if you want heavy eSports support.
Seeing their initiatives with Arms Pokken and Splatoon, E-Sports is becoming a focus for Nintendo. With that said, I imagine that they don't want to dedicate resources to a game made 4 console generations ago that requires CRT televisions, and consoles and controllers that are no longer being manufactured.
Saying Melee is obsolete because there are new Smash games is like saying Mario 64 is obsolete because there is Mario Odyssey on the horizon. That is something super ignorant to say imo.
After all Melee is the best selling game on the GCN, so there is a lot of nostalgia for a lot of people.
Saying Melee is obsolete because there are new Smash games is like saying Mario 64 is obsolete because there is Mario Odyssey on the horizon. That is something super ignorant to say imo.
The average Switch owner would buy the latest Smash game, not an Hd copy of smash. Their nostalgia is served by the new game. Mario Kart and Smash games are similar enough to each other that average users will prefer the newer versions.you would be surprised how many people argue against this. In this very thread, you've people convinced that melee hd would sell practically nothing (assuming the newest smash game was also available by the time melee hd was released), as people would, supposedly, buy the most recent installement with more characters.
The average Switch owner would buy the latest Smash game, not an Hd copy of smash. Their nostalgia is served by the new game. Mario Kart and Smash games are similar enough to each other that average users will prefer the newer versions.
The idea that a port wouldn't make financial sense considering they did a very enchanced version of Wind Waker (a game that sold less than half of Melee originally) to a console that bombed and no one whatsoever complained about it.
That's why people (Including Hungrybox) are asking for a Switch port. Also, they re-manufactured GC controllers for Smash 4's release.
I think a huge part of the issue is the guy who insists on making the whole game himself. Dude just actively works against the tournament/competitive scene and has been pretty transparent about that since Brawl.
Arms, Pokken Tournament, and Spla2n have been championed as games with high skill ceilings because that's why they're made. Smash is purposefully a training wheels baby game. Even if it's GOOD just look at the game as a /whole/ and it's super obvious. Fucking Mario Kart is made with more competition in mind.
I think if the game ever gets a new director there will be a clear shift away from extraneous modes, cumbersome custom moves, and unplayable stages