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Nintendo Responds To Smash Bros. Pro's Callout, Wants To Keep Scene Grassroots
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LordKasual
Banned
Not if they wanted to act as big as they actually are
Nights Owl
Member
I think it's a very rational response. Nintendo wants their games to cause communities to grow for their games if the interest is there. They want the communities to thrive from their own work while sponsoring certain bigger events such as Evo.
It sounds like they support what they're doing but as a company they don't want to invest the money. Which I can't really argue with.
It sounds like they support what they're doing but as a company they don't want to invest the money. Which I can't really argue with.
Mushroomer25
Member
Except they seem keen to boost tournaments for games that they actually want to sell. Pokken Tournament DX wouldn't exist if Nintendo was totally apathetic about the scene.
Aaronrules380
Member
Honestly for Smash in particular I feel like Nintendo throwing in more explicit support than they've already done by sponsoring major tournaments or the like would ultimately be more likely to piss off the competitive community by taking power away from their hands
Geno Breaker
Banned
Before the thread devolves into "entitled Melee fans need to MOVE ON" and other 4chan tier posts, I'd like to say that I wholeheartedly agree with Hungrybox. I feel like he's in the right and I wish Nintendo would do more to make Smash as whole reach it's potential. Same thing with Pokken and Splatoon really. And ARMS lol
I mean they're obviously a kid-friendly company, but they're trending towards adding more and more tournaments/competitive titles with Splatoon, ARMS, etc.
They're not gonna support Mêlée since they want these people to move on, but "grassroots" and "esports isn't nintendos brand" are pretty bad excuses with the current scene.
Edit: obvs I agree with HungryBox, it may be late for mêlée but shame on them for shit support previously.
Are you sure that's not The Pokémon Company? I'm not sure either lol
Aaronrules380
Member
Except they do support games like Melee by sponsoring major tournaments like evo. I'm not really sure what Hungrybox wants except maybe them throwing a huge amount of money in the pot, which would ultimately really only benefit the top 8-16 players anyways (which would include Hungrybox so no shit he wants it)
You need to accept you're blind and deaf because Nintendo has supported Esports for the last 2 years (Smash (Never Melee) and Splatoon).
Stormblessed
Member
There are also Pokémon world championships. I think they're probably just not interested in doing this for Smash on the terms of its community, particularly if the scene is stagnant.
I think a huge part of the issue is the guy who insists on making the whole game himself. Dude just actively works against the tournament/competitive scene and has been pretty transparent about that since Brawl.
Arms, Pokken Tournament, and Spla2n have been championed as games with high skill ceilings because that's why they're made. Smash is purposefully a training wheels baby game. Even if it's GOOD just look at the game as a /whole/ and it's super obvious. Fucking Mario Kart is made with more competition in mind.
I think if the game ever gets a new director there will be a clear shift away from extraneous modes, cumbersome custom moves, and unplayable stages
Nintendo is finally changing for the good (for the most part). They are a very traditional and conservative company which is why they drag their feet with things.
Dark_3nergy
Member
This tells me Nintendo is/are still learning how to interact with communities that grow up around their more competitive IP. By having them support places like EVO, and hosting their own tournaments, this seems like the farthest they are going to go to interact with the community. For now at least. Baby steps towards that direction is acceptable, and in more recent years, their increased interest is still a vastly big improvement over them being silent for most of N64/Melee/Brawl's life cycles.
Agreed, this is a totally valid point of view of the situation regarding HungryBox.
Azure Dream
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It's not like they literally just held tournaments for three of their upcoming games at E3...
Hosting occasional tournaments is different from entire competitive ecosystems a la CoD, League, OW, etc
...I'm guessing you haven't been paying attention to Nintendo recently?
Gentleman Jack
Member
Sure, I would pin zero hopes on NoA or NoJ clawing back their Melee/Smash4 fanbase by sponsoring a Pro Tour like Capcom does, those ships sailed a long ass time ago. But I part of what Reggie is saying is that they're trying to make future commitments to the competitive scene a little more serious, the launch trailer for the Switch seemed to suggest that the lessons were sinking in a little bit, even if the actual message behind that Splatoon scene is the trailer ends up "gosh I sure hope somebody else does this for you Nintendo fans!"
I think it's a plan for Nintendo down the road, but I assume fans will be upset when it's not the games they want to be supported.
Also, Nintendo has a vested interest in releasing entries to series every console generation, so they can't really focus on one entry more than a generation.
Also, Nintendo has a vested interest in releasing entries to series every console generation, so they can't really focus on one entry more than a generation.
I don't think it's entirely fair to lay that all at Sakurai, nor do I think they would just suddenly go away once he leaves the series. The crazy extra stuff is just as much a part of Smash's DNA as the fighting game itself.
Geno Breaker
Banned
Yeah definitely. I don't get why Sakurai initially rejected the scene and has remained lukewarm on it. The fact that a competitive scene exists doesn't make the entry bar any higher retroactively. I respect the dude for the love he puts into the characters and all that, but trying to ward off the competitive fans for whatever reason comes off as really arrogant and petty.
LightningXCE
Member
Why would nintendo want to support a version of the game that's three console generations old, that you cannot buy anymore, rather than the current iteration?
I don't think another fighting game would have a pass if they slowed the whole thing down and added tripping. That was a direct result of sakurai not liking high level competitive play
All the wacky stuff was added for brawl and hyperfocused on in 4. Melee had like five fine-tuned modes and a high skill ceiling
Idk, he got pretty much all the credit for melee and made brawl as hard as he could. He can design some hella movesets and has tons of good ideas, but I feel like he has George Lucas syndrome and is put on a super weird pedestal where other people doing the same thing with their fighting games would be annihilated
AcademicSaucer
Member
Basically dont expect a Nintendo equivalent of what blizzard, riot or valve are doing
They idea is that they would also make an HD port of the game for the Switch. The scene would still be grassroots then, just with 100% less ancient hardware.
maybe because to sakurai it is first and foremost a party game and a fighting game second hmmmm
DecoReturns
Member
Smash isn't really about high skill ceiling.
Its about the Characters and its legacy with Nintendo. As long as it plays like Smash, its not gonna start a riot. Its a vocal minority
At this point I feel that the melee scene will rather include items than playing in any other thing than a gamecube
There's really no reason whatsoever to believe that, especially because the Melee scene uses Wiis just as much for tournaments and also plays online on PC.
DecoReturns
Member
Smash actually does have an achievement system of sorts, if thats what you mean
BRSxIgnition
Member
Only a matter of time until we see the next Smash Bros really bring NintendoVS to the forefront and proclaim it an e-sport.
Didn't the wii versions has some kind of weird 1 frame input lag?
Nintendo has come a very long way in a short amount of time from not even wanting Smash streamed at Evo, to sponsoring Evo themselves and encouraging these type of communities. I think even more so now with there pushes with Arms and Splatoon.
I can definitely understand Hungrybox's frustration, but Nintendo has been making a pretty strong effort to understand and support this stuff. This is new to them, and there's no way they could have expected this kind of thing for Smash, and have just caught on to it a few years ago and making an effort to adapt. They are learning as they go.
I can definitely understand Hungrybox's frustration, but Nintendo has been making a pretty strong effort to understand and support this stuff. This is new to them, and there's no way they could have expected this kind of thing for Smash, and have just caught on to it a few years ago and making an effort to adapt. They are learning as they go.
I'm positively sure that won't be the case. Melee players will continue to play regular Melee and shun Melee HD, just like Street Fighter II players continue to play that game, not HD Remix.
Attack You
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Competitive Smash guts so much of the game, though. Doesn't benefit Nintendo when large swathes of the game can't get visibility (i.e.: free marketing). Introduce a bracket with full items (sans Hearts and Stars) and full stages, and play the game in a way more people can actually relate to.
Nintendo made a huge esports push this year.
And yet it's gone in 4.
Again, why do you think that wouldn't be the case? I'm entirely unfamiliar with the changes made to SF2HD. The pro this thread is about has repeatedly expressed desire for such a game happening and he as well as virtually every other top level player regularly practice on a modded, HD, online enabled version of the game anyway which is essentially what an optimized port would be.
Melee is the 2nd most popular fighting game inspite of everything working against it. By not investing in one way or the other nintendo is losing out and I dont buy this grass roots PR bullshit. The grassroots has proven theres alot of interest and now its nintendos job to step in and fuel that growth, but they wont because nintendo of japan has some dumb ideas.
Geno Breaker
Banned
Based on what? A Melee HD would bring in plenty of fresh blood into the scene by making it far more easier to join it. Melee fans play on CRTS because it's the best option. Dolphin isn't 100% accurate and just connecting a Gamecube/Wii to a monitor/HDTV adds horrendous upscale lag, something a Melee HD wouldn't have to deal with.
What do in-game achievements or Trophies have to do with eSports?