Geist
Not even worth debating with people if something has a cartoon look or color art style it must be childish.
UH all of gaming go to a cod or any fps event and see a million and one kids dopped up on energy drinks yelling and cursing every 5 seconds. Kids make up 70% of the entire fortnight fanbase. Persona 5 had a more mature plot then 80% of all western games and those games try to be as niddy and griddy as possible and those games are targeted to unintentional to edgy lord kids. Why do you think every cod after 4 had shock value missions that are missing so much context they look like they were written by a middle age high school kid.
play it on a wiiu,jailbreak a wii or see if you can rip the game to an iso and run it through dolphin.
Context is key. Don't misquote to argue.
" I've NEVER seen Nintendo EVER committed to changing their imagine and catalog even near what we see MS do when they want to compete "
Again...I've never seen Nintendo actually do something near what MS does to change to get new gamers. Nothing is wrong if you like them, but if they are staying the same to " offer an alternative " just leave it at that. It means clearly they are not seeking new consumers and they are not changing to get them near what MS is doing. You can agree they are not changing or seeking to change as much as MS and still also feel its best that they don't.
Stop making everything a fucking either or. If you like that they are they way they are and very little has changed, thats ok. No where am I saying Nintendo hasn't changed ANYTHING, simply no where near what you see MS doing to get new consumers.
" it may look like it if you personally do not like their output " Well I don't like their output because the majority of what they release looks the same and markets to the same audience. So if I didn't like Splattoon, I won't suddenly like ARMS or 1-2 Switch or anything like that anymore then someone who doesn't like Halo won't suddenly like Gears, no different then someone who doesn't like Destiny, like won't like that Outriders game... The family friendly, art direction, kiddy narrative might be as much as a put off to some, as Destiny or The Division is to others.
Could you imagine someone telling you how you didn't like Destiny or The Division but would LOOOOOVE Outriders? How many times do you have to say no to a concept, idea, imagine before its clear maybe they don't like it? So nothing is wrong with that btw, simply you must consider that is how many gamers feel.
Danjin44 yea but those games are also not marketed to those demographics either.
You can clearly like a game not marketed to your demographic. Thats like saying you eat Trix cereal soooooo clearly its not fo da kidz as I'm eating dem too doe. /s (semi OT, but them thangs was HITTING when I was a kid)
obviously not then if every 8-18 year old is the one making up 50-65% of the entire fanbase. Which games are more mature a game that revolves around justice reform, corrupt organization, school and work people being over worked to death, assult mentally physically, the subject of taxes and economic flow or even a game thats relises what medium its in a uses birght colors and fun gameplay as it talking points. Or a game where every 5 seconds is hand shakes and explorsions or you being a terrible and irresponsible parent by not answering your childs questions or just simple neglect or you just killing everything in site and yelling like a cave man on steroids.
Count me out of the photo realism style of development. Give me artsy, colorful and unique designs for my games.
The Wii was insane in capturing the adult and elderly market, especially with Wii Sports. Adults non-gamers were completely crazy about Wii Sports. It was huge back then. And then also reflected in other successes such as Wii Fit etc (obviously not for kids for for adults wanting to lose weight). This is well known facts.
You always judge on surface level what games is aimed at kids based on its aesthetics, I would say games like COD are more played by kids even compare to games like Zelda, because usually kids are the ones who desperately want to look more "mature" by playing "M" rated games and brag at their friends about it in schools while most adults really don't care at that point and just want to play games for fun.
And most majorities of kids as well, this even true when you play GTA online.
And yet there are more adults play Zelda compare to kids, heck! I would even say these days kids are much more interested in games like COD or Battle Royals games than Mario and Zelda.
Calm down fella, after all it's only childish video games, and resorting to swearing to get your points across, it's not big and it's not clever, seems to go against the whole mature thing.
Danjin44
Like stated before, you could eat fruit roll up as an adult, it doesn't actually mean that you are the target demographic. I'm siding with
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siekro1983
with this one. GTA, COD etc were not created for kids as the target demographic to really make that work. I mean, friend....I love Animal Crossing more then the next guy, but I'm not going to pretend its suddenly not made with a younger demographic in mind.
Fire Emblem probably. It can go to some serious topics and has a lot of death and war.
yea relax, no one is swearing at you bud.
You even want post to be rated E for everyone... Why even ignore the post to just talk about that? smh. Stop taking stuff out of context to argue. No one stated they do nothing to reach sooooo far just to argue. Reality is, MS has done more to get new consumers, Nintendo has done lots of the same to maintain their same base.
Simply looking at the teams that MS bought it shows they are just more serious about getting new consumers and changing their image if they need to.
Nintendo is looking to maintain the same image and same concepts. So you can't have this debate about Sony nor MS, clearly its 5 pages deep on here because to many of us, its obvious this company is clearly still about that Fisher Price, Hallmark Channel, family friendly, E For Everyone Life..... What works for them clearly still works. Its not a debate on who is successful or who is not. To even try to bring up MS recent misfortunes with the XONE is irrelevant to the point. Point is simply MS from 2001 to 2020 has made bigger changes to shed their past image then Nintendo has done. We want Gears Of War...ok what ram do we need? We want GTA? Ok how much do we have to pay? We want KH? What do we have to do? You want Yakuza? Ok what do we need to make that happen? Oh we like Uncharted, what can we do to get that level of single player on XB? THIS is the type of thing MS does... Its not simply some empty comment either, they actually seek to make those things happen.
I've NEVER see Nintendo do those type of things. Be like "We are making Wii U, can you make games for us? but btw we are not going to change anything with our system......why are you not giving us Arkham Knight?" Oh, lets make Switch, a weaker system, that will get dem games flowing. Lets......not buy more teams to address us having less relevant content. Thats the attitude you see from Nintendo. They have the money and I'd argue even a greater reason to even buy those teams vs MS. Nintendo is the one NOT getting a fat chunk of AAA 3rd party games. So If I have to chose, who wants to change soooooooo badly that they'll buy more teams, spend a boat load of money to get the best AAA 3rd party games, its MS. Maybe...maybe make a better point instead of trying to personal attack to derail the thread man. If you feel they've made more changes this MS, I'd LOVE to hear it.
When people try sooooooo hard to argue that Nintendo's really changed doe, I always think of this funny scene from The Simpsons when Bart sold his souls.
Yeah i'm absolutely with him on this one, i'm done with N and his adult games
Man what a primitive, and ironically childish, way to post a rebuttal. Cherry picking games that are targeted for everyone or, in the case of Pokemon, are actually geared for kids to try to state how Nintendo's target audience is children only hurts your own credibility man. Lets PRETEND that games geared for everyone, or are just simply kid friendly like BotW, don't count for targeting adults. Why would you cherry pick Pokemon and AC, but leave out games like this?
Two of these are first party, and the other two are funded and published by Nintendo. Now I could go out and find images of Little Big Planet, Medievil, and Ratchet...but as someone who understands EVERYONE=/=KIDDIE, I will leave it at that.
So as you can see, Nintendo's primary target audience is just simply put as gamers as a whole. To try and say otherwise is just a showing of how bitter someone may feel over their recent success, or that these games are not on their console of choice.
good for you man
glad you enjoy yourself mateNo anger here, just laughing at the bullshit some of the people in this thread are exhibiting. Then having some fun calling them out on it.
