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Nintendo Calls Out Countries RE: Piracy
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Metal Gear?!
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Japan should get lax with enforcement of protection of copyrighted works from Mexico, Brazil, etc.Pureauthor said:
See how they like it.
Pureauthor
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Metal Gear?! said:
First - Nintendo =! Japan
Second - What media, exactly, does Brazil and Mexico export to Japan in any quantity worth giving a rat's hiney about?
Read my message four messages before yours, it explains quite well...Brannon said:
While it is all kinds of awesome that we get those, the fact that they cost almost the same as a Wii costs in America (Those cost around 166 usd, the Wii costs around 250 usd), or pretty much the same price as a DS... It's kinda annoying...AstroLad said:
iFootball
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Kandrick said:
sooooo true... I strongly believe that the 360 'success' in Mexico is mainly driven by how easy you can play pirated copies on it (and secondly, a lower price of course)...
If you could only see how a pirate market looks like in Mexico... it's sad in some way... virtually thousands and thousands of pirate copies of 360 & PS2 games stacked in clear plastic envelopes with photocopied boxart... that sell for around $3.50 dlls max...
but again, this of course this is caused by huge economic differences between countries... they can't expect to sell a $60 dlls game for $80 dlls in Mexico, when the minimum wage there is currently $3.65 dlls....
legal gaming is simply a big luxury for just a few in Mexico...
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Actually, on a second glance, I'm not sure it's saying that at all. But it is worded strangely.freddy said:
At any rate, Nintendo has every right to try and protect their own property, but sometimes they just go about it in weird ways. Doing things like blocking the Wii Shop Channel on modded systems probably prevents people from buying things from the Shop Channel more than it discourages people from modding their systems, for example.
iFootball
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drizzle said:
No Sir, I disagree... people in countries like ours (BR, MX) should also take responsability for this cultural difference... we should be aware that piracy is simply wrong regardless of how bad our goverments and their laws & taxes are... we're just looking for excuses to cover our ilegal acts... the little kid who bought a pirated copy with his parents approval might one day become president and I'm sure he won't have any problem creating stupid laws & taxes that only benefit a few...
but then again that is a whole different topic....
/rant
Kandinsky said:
GameCube got hacked. Got hacked good.
The reason no one "cares" to hack the PS3 is that they already allow Linux to be installed, they let users swap out their own hard drives and offer a game sharing service.
I'm sure there's someone working on it, but Sony essentially took away a few big reasons hackers attempt to break a system in the first place.
bryehn said:
Lol. Fuck off nintendo, "game copiers" are legal here and we have the rigth to make our legal backups by law. LAW, do you understand that?
I want the goverment to change the laws to, so I can masturbate in the street in front of children! It's for my rigths!
Fuck off again. We pay already the piracy tax almost on everything digital, take your share from that. And we are the ones called pirates....
lol again. Those guys are not charged with everything. The police love to do things like that and call this things "massive operation against piracy" while it's not true. Stop pressing the police to do actions like that.
carvasd said:
I agree that piracy is a wrong thing, I agree that it's a cultural problem.
Except that, i can talk about when the Master System and the Mega Drive were officially distributed down here, in Brazil. The amount of people that would buy pirated carts was minute. Everybody went to actual stores and bought the actual games that were available officially down here.
You simply CAN'T do that now. The games are not up for sale. I, personally, only have an xbox360 (i can't afford the other consoles and keep a gaming legit gaming habit on all of them). I'm not rich, as somebody mentioned earlier in this thread, and I don't think you need to be rich to live on official games. I import most of my games from the United States.
I usually don't pay import taxes on them. I don't know why, the fiscalization is not that good down here over mail, so i can get by. When a game that i want is released down here (Like, for instance, Halo 3, Gears 2 and so on) I try to buy locally.
I'm doing everything right. Or am i? Most of the games i buy off ebay/the sell thread on gaf are used games. No company likes the used games market. I don't pay import taxes on them (They're usually 60%, but most of the times you don't get taxed, out of sheer luck). I'd gladly pay DECENT taxes if the game was officially available down here, and i'd buy it brand new. but it's simply not possible, because the games are not for sale.
Sure, I can buy original GTA4 on a store, but it's a imported copy. A company imported it (paid all taxes) and then is charging extra on top. Which usually means that a copy of GTA4 (Legally Imported) costs 95 USD, while Gears 2 (Oficially Distributed by Microsoft Brazil) costs 73usd.
Want another nice example? Street Fighter IV. I can't buy it in Brazil. No matter what. Nobody imported it oficially yet, Capcom doesn't distribute games down here, and Microsoft doesn't distribute that particular game down here. I can either: Legally import it myself, paying up to 60% taxes, or legally import it and not pay any taxes (if i'm lucky). Then, i'll have to wait for the game to arrive at my house (as opposed to just going out today to a mall and buying it).
People rather pirate than go through all of that. It's not the right thing to do, but hell, i can understand it.
Totobeni said:
Not that I know of, but I'm sure you could track them down if you're interested in collecting them. Also check out: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/sms/2008/12/sega-master-system-101-a-beginners-guide.html
manueldelalas
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iFootball
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drizzle said:
this 'mentality' is exactly the problem... even if it's complicated, or even expensive to get the games you want, it is still not enough to excuse yourself from piracy... that's the cultural problem... we're willing to excuse piracy, or tax evasion (which, btw... even if its unfair to pay such a high tax... it's still ilegal)...
pr0cs
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I'm surprised they haven't complained earlier. Considering how many DS etc are out in the wild I expect them to sell a lot more software. yes I realize that they're usually top of the charts but considering how many of the units they actually sell I think a lot of people are using them for piracy.
craigslist in my area it's rare not to see 3-4 posts about R4 devices and cards full of games for dirt cheap.
craigslist in my area it's rare not to see 3-4 posts about R4 devices and cards full of games for dirt cheap.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Isn't this more focused on distribution from these countries to others - seizures by customs, border control etc. I doubt they care that much about the markets in the countries listed (at the moment) but these countries are the biggest suppliers of hardware mods and counterfeit software to markets that they do care about ie Japan, US, UK.
carvasd said:
That's easy to say when you're living a relatively easy life in a rich country. But the world is shades of grey and the people who live in it are also. Who the fuck are you to tell people how they should live their lives outside of the jurisdiction of wherever it is you live?
Dragona Akehi
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I'm really not sure why Nintendo bothered mentioning Spain. As mentioned not only does the country have a specific "piracy/blank media" tax for these purposes, but the bigger issue is that the DMCA is only applicable to the United States. It's currently legal for personal backup device usage in Spain.
In sum: Nintendo can eat it.
In sum: Nintendo can eat it.
iFootball
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Burai said:
it seems that it's also easy for you to question me when you don't even know where I'm from, or any other facts of my life that give basis to my opinion...
on the other hand, I believe it's simpler to distinguish between what's good and bad when talking about Games Piracy (worldwide... no jurisdiction here)....
Salmonax said:
exactly... we're talking about an entertainment format, so let's chill out
I love this line. It seems like Nintendo is saying to parents, we know your kids steal and you dont care about their stealing, but if they steal they may see a boob in the process and that is the bigger concern. Sad thing is I can see some parents not caring about their kids stealing, but getting upset because they dl a game with sex in it.bryehn said:
MisterHero
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bryehn said:
Sho_Nuff82 said:
I agree with ShoNuff.
Tormentoso said:
It's probably because a lot of other companies don't say anything about their international rights, lest their PR suffer the wrath of their "fans".
Along as being a "complainer" Nintendo has been pretty-proactive in Japan and other regions. They are doing something about it. There was a thread some time back where some people said that Nintendo didn't have the right to do it.
So what are they supposed to do, both hardware and software can be circumvented. They tried dealing with storage mediums that were less common and thus more expensive to duplicate (for both pirates and themselves, unfortunately).
Salmonax said:
No we're not.
But what I'm saying is, if where I live there's no way to buy consoles and games legitimately, or if I'd have to go without food for a month in order to buy a game due to ridiculous taxation, but I can go to a market to buy pirated games for next-to-nothing and the police turn a total blind eye to this, what am I supposed to do? Base my decisions on the moral code of someone who has access to a lot of disposable income in a country where games are ten-a-penny?
Would I live my life based on the laws and values of the Chinese, for example? Would I have liked to have seen my youngest sister left at a dump to be eaten by wild dogs because my other sister and I filled our family's quota and to keep a third would be socially irresponsible?
Of course not. So why the hell should we force our values on them? This is a global market and sometimes parts of the globe just don't fit the mould.
The Hermit
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THIS ,THIS FUCKING THIS!!!
If Nintendo manages to lower the exportation taxes here (about 60% of the original price) than I can assure the piracy will go down.
EDIT: I´ll quote drizzle´s post because it was the last post of the first page and its very informative.
drizzle said:
Well as a mexican gamer i think Nintendo is partially to blame, you know there's a problem when the cheapest console to manufacture is more expensive
than an Xbox 360 and the games follow the same path. MS has it right here in mexico i think, the games they publish are always the cheapest out of the 3 consoles
, still more expensive than in the US go figure and they also launch their games the same day they do in the US which is a big factor or people to pirate sometimes.
Nintendo games are usually the most expensive out of the 3 companies and a Wii sells for around $400 USD when you can buy a 360 for less than $300.
I used to buy pirate games, mainly Winning Eleven games on the PS2 when they werent released in America or were released at a much later date, that was years ago and i still managed to own over 60 original PS2 games. Today i own a 360 and a PS3 and 0 pirate games.
Piracy is huge in mexico and it's sold right on the street for all to see, i'm sure most police men buy pirate movies every day as well as music Cd's cause it's just so openly done by everybody that people just don't think of it as something wrong.
Personally i buy everything at retail or import from the US but of course i'm in the minority here but still it's not only a money issue, those with the money to buy a console these days sure have enough money to buy at least a couple of games a year.
than an Xbox 360 and the games follow the same path. MS has it right here in mexico i think, the games they publish are always the cheapest out of the 3 consoles
, still more expensive than in the US go figure and they also launch their games the same day they do in the US which is a big factor or people to pirate sometimes.
Nintendo games are usually the most expensive out of the 3 companies and a Wii sells for around $400 USD when you can buy a 360 for less than $300.
I used to buy pirate games, mainly Winning Eleven games on the PS2 when they werent released in America or were released at a much later date, that was years ago and i still managed to own over 60 original PS2 games. Today i own a 360 and a PS3 and 0 pirate games.
Piracy is huge in mexico and it's sold right on the street for all to see, i'm sure most police men buy pirate movies every day as well as music Cd's cause it's just so openly done by everybody that people just don't think of it as something wrong.
Personally i buy everything at retail or import from the US but of course i'm in the minority here but still it's not only a money issue, those with the money to buy a console these days sure have enough money to buy at least a couple of games a year.
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