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geordiemp
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Here is the big navi Stryx game clocks.
I am concerend why XSX is only RDNA1 5700 clock levels, but you wont like that. I am not really, I dont care.
Most people who use the word sustained have not a clue how CPU and GPU work over a frame and nobody has the energy to educate when the poster is not genuine..
Please go read a book, we are not interested in your ps5 concern.
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kyliethicc
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You said the PS5 can't sustain it clocks. Of course it CAN but thats theoretical and not really how its meant to be used. They have the model SoC to code on, its entirely predictable and repeatable.
The devs have their power budget, frame time budget, memory budget, etc. They can choose how to use it.
Of course they COULD write code to keep the clocks locked at max, aka staying below the power budget. But there's no point really. But its not impossible.
Cerny said in the Eurogamer interview that the PS5 should hit 3.5 and 2.23 most of the time and can hit both at same time.
duhmetree
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wait... so IF Sony has shared cache... They'd receive a 22% IPC gain AND have high clock speed?
FrankWza
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I’m not a fan of car analogies but I look at it as a V6 and a V8 both outputting the same horsepower and top speed. The 6 was tuned better, the otherhas a bigger engine. The 6 is more agile and versatile, the 8 is cumbersome in the wrong areas. The 6 can corner etc...Obviously this is all about the system since the PS5 is physically larger
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
No of course it can not; unless you think "time" does not include the "times" that.. it can't. lol
There's nothing untrue or wrong about my statements.. the PS5 can not sustain full clocks at all times. For instance.. it can't.. whenever game code is running where.. well.. it can't.
And just because it's deterministic does not mean it's entirely predictable because games aren't predictable. It is deterministic based on workload, but unless you literally tested every possible combination of anything going on on screen, the workload itself is not fully predictable. Hence why games using dynamic resolution and framerates. And games can optimize for the PS5 setup to "most of the time" be at a certain power profile, but unless the game is incredible simple or not very dynamic they can't fully predict everything.
He says "at or near".. read it again. We really have no idea at this point how often either the GPU or CPU will be clocked at max; but it should be near most of the time as the power savings for a small downclock are good.
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geordiemp
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wait... so IF Sony has shared cache... They'd receive a 22% IPC gain AND have high clock speed?
Thats what AMD says for shared L1 yes. Its an average IPC + 22 % For some BVH cals its up to 50 %.
I imagine with a big L3 its even more. And what is infinity cache really = AMD were vague on exactly what it is
Below is IPC per funcion increase just for shared L1 (would cost 4 mm2 for ps5). Does ps5 have it, nobody knows.
XSX unlikely as hotchips had L1 as private for each shader array, but could be to cover NDA ?
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Mr Moose
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kyliethicc
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I just meant it could sustain the clocks all the time in a given game. You are correct that it cannot do that in all games.
I think I misunderstood what you were saying. When you said "all the time" I read that as within a game's code, not as in all games ever.
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jasondefaoite
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Username checks out now. Rick rolled!
FunkMiller
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Metroiddarks
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It probably won't do it in any game because that would be an insane accomplishment for someone to optimize that much. They'd likely have to use all kinds of dynamic scaling based on what's on screen for instance or be a really simple predictable game.
We honestly don't know whether games will max both at the same time very often; Cernys statements are far too vague to really determine that because he always throws "near" into the equation and I honestly don't think he's really made statements about them being at max at the same time.
It's a great tech either way that lets PS5 push the hardware more than it could without the same tech. And it being workload deterministic is also a huge paradigm shift that is super interesting.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I can't wait to check this one out. Looks better every time they release more info. Then again, I'm a Dark Souls freak too....
Ass of Can Whooping
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INC
Gold Member
Always liked the look of it, but the smash, loot, upgrade gear gameplay loop has always appealed
Combat looks decent enough, its coop, defo on my list (pc), but not buy for full price, £25-30 and ill bite
Metroiddarks
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I will wait until the reviews but yes looks good.
ResilientBanana
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My CPU is on the recommended list, my GPU is not. Time to upgrade.
onesvenus
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It says something like:
Microsoft are assholes, not only they pay Digital Foundry so they always say good things about Xbox and bad about Sony and pay Ubi so they only work on the Xbox versions of their games, they are also paying Sony Santa Monica so they optimize bad their games.
It's a troll. Although I don't know where those images come from.
GreyHand23
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Luckily they seem to be quite different in tone especially. One is bright and more high fantasy while the other is grim and more dark fantasy.
SSfox
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SSfox
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ToadMan
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I’m not a fan of car analogies but I look at it as a V6 and a V8 both outputting the same horsepower and top speed. The 6 was tuned better, the otherhas a bigger engine. The 6 is more agile and versatile, the 8 is cumbersome in the wrong areas. The 6 can corner etc...Obviously this is all about the system since the PS5 is physically larger
To be honest I don’t like using analogies like that either - particularly when it’s a simple topic in the first place.
But actually my reference to cars wasn’t about the mechanics of a real car as such. It was to point out that a single geared car would be a relic and no one would question the benefits of a user selectable set of gears or even auto gearboxes selecting gears, based on desired performance.
As it happens though the PS5 power monitoring system is (in principle - I haven’t seen a dev kit to say what it’s like in practice) a way to match clocks to activity dynamically. An auto gearbox for the SoC in a sense.
How sophisticated it is remains to be seen. I am curious though about what algorithm is driving that system...
Ass of Can Whooping
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Mr Moose
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It's just someone running the video through trdrop
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BGs
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It is absolutely outrageous. If this is confirmed, if I were you, I would cancel the PS5 reservation, and if you already have it paid I would give it to your worst enemy, to piss him off. If not I could help you get rid of it,
Bo_Hazem
and I are destroying all the PS5s sent to us by disgruntled users.
Disgusting Sony. And what a disgusting Plus Collection.
Felessan
Member
Actually we don't know what would be TFlops number is Sony decided to go with static Tflops.
It may be the same 10.2 Tflops, that just mean that power budget would be more limiting factor, requiring devs to make a hard measures againts reaching the cap.
Recent Xbox One Watch Dog overheating bug clearly shows that "static" does not guarantee (and Cerny also mentioned it) that console can always perform at this static fixed frequency. And if XSX hit power draw above allowable threshold it will suffer even worse fate than playstation, because once it hit it, it will shutdown, even though it have "guaranteed" frequency.
sircaw
Banned
you know its fud, and yet you drop it in and act all "oh Romeo, is it me that you love, my breasted heart beats for you, is it true that you yearn for me and all my love."
GTFO and GIVE ME A BREAK.
jasondefaoite
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Not really. It significantly improves the usage efficiency of the radio spectrum, but the improvements are limited when other Wi-Fi 5 or lower devices are on 1) your network or 2) your neighbours' network. This is why we need all devices, from small IoT to more data hungry devices to be all in with Wi-Fi 6.
Most think Wi-Fi 6 is primarily about speed. That's only part of it. Lower latency while at the same time supporting a higher number of devices on the same channel (your network, multiple neighbours' network) work best when ALL are Wi-Fi 6. When you have a Wi-Fi 5 device on the channel ... benefits are somewhat lost unfortunately.
It's not an issue right now due to the number of legacy devices, but in 5-10 years you really don't want that XSX or other Wi-Fi 5 devices using the same radio spectrum you are. If you are in some rural area, not a problem. But in a city with apartments, where you can see all the neighbours SSIDs as well as your own, and you cannot control what they use, it is.
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FunkMiller
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DrDamn
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This is the original source from 2018 - compare this timestamp to the second picture - then compare this video to the one you posted claiming to be PS5.
Busted.
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onesvenus
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Regarding the fixed vs variable clock speeds, I've found this extract of MS Hot chips conference talk where the decision to go for a fixed clock speed is explained interesting,
I can see the bit about having dynamic data being difficult to optimize for.
This bit here can also lead to some speculation. I'm not really into secret sauces but do you think the L3 caches being smaller are the only thing different?
What do you think
geordiemp
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I can see the bit about having dynamic data being difficult to optimize for.
This bit here can also lead to some speculation. I'm not really into secret sauces but do you think the L3 caches being smaller are the only thing different?
What do you think
geordiemp
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FunkMiller
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geordiemp
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Riky
$MSFT
xacto
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Cancelling PS5, getting a Series S; didn't you hear? One year down the line, Series S will be a real next-gen machine!
Darius87
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STATIC TFLOPS
people please stop inventing things here.
geordiemp
Member
Regarding the fixed vs variable clock speeds, I've found this extract of MS Hot chips conference talk where the decision to go for a fixed clock speed is explained interesting,
I can see the bit about having dynamic data being difficult to optimize for.
This bit here can also lead to some speculation. I'm not really into secret sauces but do you think the L3 caches being smaller are the only thing different?
What do you think
Yes I have seen it, awkward questions and uncomfortable answers.
By the way, a common mis understanding.
The ps5 clock is not random, it does the same thing every time to instructions, its called deterministic, its not based on heat or based on who won the chepstow derby. So a known and 100 % repeatable factor is never an issue anyway....
As double die sized PC parts are over 2.3 Ghz, so who gives a shit but xbox fan concern trolls ?
BUT god how do all those PC games work lol
, Its been commented on allot of times, you got that from b3d.Also race to idle is a power waste but thats a different discussion.
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Nickolaidas
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Yeah, I was willing to give Riky the benefit of the doubt, but that post fairly cemented him as a troll.
sircaw
Banned
you wait till a couple of years down the line when i get some games, i will show you i made the best decision.
hahahah
LucasBR
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Why theres so many fake news in last month from [some company] about PS5?
Fear, despair, lack of exclusives... You name it!
Dibils2k
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i mean i didnt know.. but the image must have come from somewhere, the text in the tweet is not something that i cared about
FranXico
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In what ways, T.I.M.Dog?
xacto
Member
Wait, are you talking about Atari VCS now?
travisktl
Member
I watched this on my C9, and I think my eyes are melted. I cannot be more excited for this game! Demon's Souls started my love for Soulsbornekiro games, so this is like a dream come true being able to experience it again at this level of fidelity.
Dibils2k
Member
if you are not curious or hopeful for Boost mode being good then good for youIt is absolutely outrageous. If this is confirmed, if I were you, I would cancel the PS5 reservation, and if you already have it paid I would give it to your worst enemy, to piss him off. If not I could help you get rid of it,
Disgusting Sony. And what a disgusting Plus Collection.
to me i am hoping boost mode delivers good performance and uses the power of PS5.
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