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[geordiemp]

I agree with you. And as I have written before I think the decision to unify the development environment for XSX, XSS, X One, X One X, PC and the servers will come to haunt MS. Here is a good twitter thread on this topic (more relevant posts in the actual thread):

Nah its excuse time, I bet the PC games from those 3rd parties run exactly as their known performance is. That then says the COMMON SDK only holds back XSX and not the PC on the same SDK, Yeah right

 

[ToadMan]

What would be the acronyms in English? I don't want to complicate the explanation too much.
I think it is TDP TGP perl not sure.

TDP = Thermal Design Power. The heat output for which the component cooling system is designed.

TGP = Total Graphics Power. Usually the max power consumption of a GPU.

The 300W+ numbers you listed are the max power ratings of the Power Supply Unit. The maximum power they can reliably deliver.

The actual power consumption of these consoles will be about 60% of the Power Supply Rating - around 170 - 220W. This might be called the TGP but that wouldn’t be an accurate description since the power is a consumed by more than just the GOU component.

The APU TDP will be around 40% - 50% of the Power Supply Rating. About 140 - 180W.

None of the TDPs are confirmed publically yet, so the numbers above are estimates inferred from the known PSU ratings, the Xsex measured power consumption and the performance of last gen consoles.

Yes the TDP can be exceeded for “short” periods without ill effect. Sustained exceedence of TDPs may eventually lead to ill effects though.

 

[PSX]

Saw it on the motherboard though.

Which is strange, yes.

By the way the console they were tearing down it was for the presentation and it’s obvious not only one console I am sure multiple shots with other parts ,and there was a shot it has PS5 logo and other shot it doesn’t probably just a kit for practices on how to teardown without too many mistaken. It seems like the video broken into different times and put nicely together.

 

[roops67]

What would be the acronyms in English? I don't want to complicate the explanation too much.
I think it is TDP TGP perl not sure.

You're referring to 'Power' in watts. TDP - Thermal Design Power, I think that's the maximum heat can be dissipated by design

Edit: Ah right Toadman already said it better

 

[LivingD3AD]

Is it a part of upcoming SpiderMan Movie?!


looks phenomenal

 

[geordiemp]

Fao @Riky and others...

About the variable clocks....

PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny

Right. Like I even know when the fans kick in on my beeefy ass work laptop that the CPU usage hitting 100% is only in certain instances, same for GPU. so I just don’t understand this concern that it won’t give the exact power when needed in 90% of. Scenarios.

www.resetera.com

Apparently the lastest AMD drivers for the 40 CU PC part Navi22 now limit the gPU clock at 2.8 GHz.

RDNA2 2.8 GHz lol

AS we learn more, nobody gives a crap about 2.23 for a 40 CU part anymore for RDNA2, its meant to be fast.

Also Cerny said Ps5 could of gone higher but they capped it at 2.23 GHz.

 

[MistBreeze]

Apparently the 900e does 120hz at 1080p anyway. Can’t see too many games being 120 and 4k at the same time. One of the XsX influencers somewhere mentioned their 4k tv automatically switched to 1080p 120 with Dirt.

May be no big deal in the end.

exactly 1080p and 120hz is enough for me

as long my tv is going strong I will not upgrade

 

[Nowcry]

Apparently the lastest AMD drivers for the 40 CU PC part Navi22 now limit the gPU clock at 2.8 GHz.

RDNA2 2.8 GHz lol

AS we learn more, nobody gives a crap about 2.23 for a 40 CU part anymore for RDNA2, its meant to be fast.

Also Cerny said Ps5 could of gone higher but they capped it at 2.23 GHz.

Do you have the source of that? I would like to put it in another forum, if you don't mind.

 

[geordiemp]

Do you have the source of that? I would like to put it in another forum, if you don't mind.

The usual Rogame and Kitty on twitter, the main RDNA2 leakers for what its worth. Also



Also the above is for the larger 80 CU die, 40 CU will be easier to clock, so 2.23 Ghz game clock for 40 CU with 4 disabled and liquid metal TIM is likely WITHIN PC game clocks.

Thats end of the matter.

 

[Console Gaming 40 years]

Could somebody make New thread
About Ac Valhalla.
Both consoles running 4k 60fps.

What SETTINGS is the topic.

My take high to Ultra+
And Finnish is My native Language.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Apparently the lastest AMD drivers for the 40 CU PC part Navi22 now limit the gPU clock at 2.8 GHz.

RDNA2 2.8 GHz lol

AS we learn more, nobody gives a crap about 2.23 for a 40 CU part anymore for RDNA2, its meant to be fast.

Also Cerny said Ps5 could of gone higher but they capped it at 2.23 GHz.

I can't wait for them to announce the clocks so all this "overclock" thing can be finally put to rest.

 

[geordiemp]

I can't wait for them to announce the clocks so all this "overclock" thing can be finally put to rest.

Cerny was right all along, what a surprise. Not.

 

[Agnostic2020]

There are mentions for Velocity Architecture and VRR behind the box of Series X but no RayTracing!! The greatest feature of upcoming consoles!

Its weird after talking about RT for 2 years when it came time to show , they even removed the mention of it from box but put vrr .

 

[DarkParadise]

I think the best OLED tv are made by Panasonic and Sony.

You know that LG literally delivers their OLED screens to Sony and other manufacturers? Sony and Panasonic just add their own tech into it, but the screen always looks the same.

 

[Handy Fake]

Cerny was right all along, what a surprise. Not.

Me and thee have been banging on about this for months like.

 

[xPikYx]

We are 2/weeks away from next gen launch and no games trailers have come out this week, mah

 

[DinoD]

Its weird after talking about RT for 2 years when it came time to show , they even removed the mention of it from box but put vrr .

Don't worry. They will patch the box with the sticker once it becomes available.

 

[geordiemp]

We are 2/weeks away from next gen launch and no games trailers have come out this week, mah

3rd party game trailers have been sparse for consoles from both sides, but is it not normal for 3rd party to show high end PC footage anyway ?

 

[Falc67]

Guys, has anyone seen ANY pop in in this game? Anything? Not seen a thing myself.

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

 

[LiquidRex]

Its weird after talking about RT for 2 years when it came time to show , they even removed the mention of it from box but put vrr .

Is it due to games having RT patched in later for the reason... As in its not guaranteed, and only worth mentioning on Game packaging instead.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

 

[Shmunter]

You know that LG literally delivers their OLED screens to Sony and other manufacturers? Sony and Panasonic just add their own tech into it, but the screen always looks the same.

The electronics driving the panels do make a significant difference, as does the software.

 

[geordiemp]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

Never has this been so true

 

[LiquidRex]

So is RT mentioned on PS5 console packaging.

Is it a feature so easily marketed without having to put disclaimers all over the box on the types of RT that will feature depending on developer preferences or game modes (software/Hardware)

 

[Falc67]

Never has this been so true

If only I was an Xbox man, then maybe that would be true. I've secured my PS5 pre order WITH Miles Morales. Haven't touched Xbox since X360.

 

[farmerboy]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

I'm fucking 45 in 2 and a half hours. What do you expect me to see in this gif?
Hope Sony drops a little titbit of info on my birthday.

 

[Nowcry]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

I have had to see that gif for more than 3 minutes with more than 100 cycles to find the stairs LOL.

Also appears from top to bottom, I have the impression that what we see appear is the lighting on the snow of the staircase, not the staircase.

 

[bitbydeath]

 

[Agnostic2020]

So is RT mentioned on PS5 console packaging.

Is it a feature so easily marketed without having to put disclaimers all over the box on the types of RT that will feature depending on developer preferences or game modes (software/Hardware)

We haven't seen the back of ps5 box to know yet . We will in the next 5-6 days .

 

[Moses85]

i hope Sony has plans to offer custom faceplates, i would buy the chrome one if it was official

Sideplates would be the correct word..

 

[geordiemp]

So is RT mentioned on PS5 console packaging.

Is it a feature so easily marketed without having to put disclaimers all over the box on the types of RT that will feature depending on developer preferences or game modes (software/Hardware)

As long as the console is powerful enough to include some nice lighting in games, Sony can put a turd on the box for all I care

 

[Moridianae]

Xbox Series X hardware is fine. The issue is bugs and bad timing of API GDK not running properly till September 2020 with various bugs and features not working properly, Covid 19 and some devs legit not getting the debug consoles hardware to late. Microsoft does have some blame here. But the Xbox Series X hardware it’s self is fine.

Also GDK is a in a great spot now. So I believe you will start seeing better games quality looking games for Xbox Series X soon. But Some Launch titles pushed through some crazy obstacles to be launch titles.

So here's my thinking here(and bear with me, it's early):

Why launch then?

They could've pushed back into Spring / Summer 2021(not even a full year) and probably had numerous issues resolved that have hurt them so far.

I can somewhat understand you want to compete with Sony directly, but it really doesn't matter.

The PS3 launched after the Xbox 360, though it had struggles aplenty with price, etc. Point is it ended up doing fine in the long run despite launching later.

Sony, arguably, has the top spot in consoledom locked. You're not going to catch them, honestly.

Delaying a bit may be in your favor if you show up later with actual stronger launch titles, Halo Infinite looking good, not having to chuck raytracing into patches, your system power is shown more efficiently, more supply, more BC compatibility, etc.

It feels like a "We gotta get it out there now" kind of situation when I argue it didn't really need to be.

 

[Shmunter]

Sideplates would be the correct word..

I like flaps.

 

[FunkMiller]

Is it a part of upcoming SpiderMan Movie?!


looks phenomenal

That's easily the best footage of Miles Morales I've seen, despite how short it is. Looks lovely.

 

[LivingD3AD]

So is RT mentioned on PS5 console packaging.

Is it a feature so easily marketed without having to put disclaimers all over the box on the types of RT that will feature depending on developer preferences or game modes (software/Hardware)

It has
PS5 retail box mentions RayTracing

 

[xacto]

Cerny was right all along, what a surprise. Not.

Now who could imagine that actually Cerny was right?! Cerny, of all people... that's a shocker

 

[xacto]

I am not sure these people wanna get into a pop-in war right now...

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

Good spot to be fair, prompted me to check that video and if you do yo see just a fraction of a second before that gif bit there and see the trees near the water, that pops in, thats the most obvious one I seen now.

However the footage that prompted me to question have we seen any was that newer shopping centre rampage.

Looked seamless to me although only watching on my phone atm. But looked very impressive.

Those minor issues should be ironed out from other footage.

 

[xHunter]

I have had to see that gif for more than 3 minutes with more than 100 cycles to find the stairs LOL.

Also appears from top to bottom, I have the impression that what we see appear is the lighting on the snow of the staircase, not the staircase.

I still cant see it. Where is the stairs?

 

[Hendrick's]

Now that is indeed weird. What the hell.

Is it really? It also doesn't say anything about backward compatibility. Do they really need to put every feature on the box?

This is from the main Xbox Series X page.

Can we stop with the idiocy?

 

[mejin]

The stairs covered in snow on the building to the left pop in.

I'm going insane....what the fuck are you talking about!

 

[Zoro7]

I'm going insane....what the fuck are you talking about!

Play the gif on a 70inch 4K tv, get a magnifying glass and get real close. Then shove your thumb firmly up your anus and you’ll be able to see pop ins.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Don't worry. They will patch the box with the sticker once it becomes available.

Phil will personally deliver a sticker to put on your box

 

[xacto]

Play the gif on a 70inch 4K tv, get a magnifying glass and get real close. Then shove your thumb firmly up your anus and you’ll be able to see pop ins.

It's ok, we have Digital Foundry for that.

 

[sandkiller]

Never has this been so true

What is "xbox mans" ???

 

[Falc67]

That's easily the best footage of Miles Morales I've seen, despite how short it is. Looks lovely.

Watch the video, there is a longer sequence of them in the mall.

 

[DinoD]

Phil will personally deliver a sticker to put on your box

Phil who?

 

[FrankWza]

exactly 1080p and 120hz is enough for me

as long my tv is going strong I will not upgrade

FPS

 

[FrankWza]

Sideplates would be the correct word..

Not if you go vertical. I have to turn mine that direction due to my setup. But it’s gonna be hidden pretty much. Maybe just plates?

 

[geordiemp]

What is "xbox mans" ???

Its not my tweet, I pinched it from the meme thread.