ethomaz
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no_sea_comemierda
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Crackdown 3 was also being developed for awhile and we got the mediocre, downgraded thing we got when coivid wasn't a thing. Definitely wasn't because of coivid only gullible people believe that story with Halo.
megreotsugua
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- One uniform motherboard
- Likely using Sony's automated manufacturing like that of the PS4.
Bo_Hazem
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Do people get offended by that now, lol. If I say they should "man-up" I might offend them even further.
Ptarmiganx2
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Bo_Hazem
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Does anyone have an xbox dev kit? If so, why first party 343i are showing gameplay on PC?
Sinthor
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Do people get offended by that now, lol. If I say they should "man-up" I might offend them even further.
That's the thing about the internet, let alone any cultural difference. With such a huge amount of people that can see what you post you're almost guaranteed for half the people to agree with you and the other half to hate you for saying it.
DaGwaphics
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LOL, he had the XSX on the same shelf too. Never saw this interview, but I'm sure I would not have noticed.
Bo_Hazem
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That's the thing about the internet, let alone any cultural difference. With such a huge amount of people that can see what you post you're almost guaranteed for half the people to agree with you and the other half to hate you for saying it.
Sometimes you should give no fucks when you think you don't really offend anyone, otherwise who's offended should have no vacation during Christmas, or Eids here. I think some people have nothing interesting to enjoy but to make up something to feel victim or offended.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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What are you worried about Bo? Are you afraid that you will click the icon of the game on the console and it won't start?
DaGwaphics
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I cant tell the difference between native and true 4k.
But fullhd and 4k ? Night and day.
Same goes for oled. I cant take a look on any led
It would surprise me if most couldn't see the difference between HD and UHD. The issue is do the masses care. There was an article a ways back that said that more 1S systems were connected to UHD TVs than 1X units, this is information that both companies would have readily available for their products.
Bo_Hazem
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What game? It's about "calling out devs" because they don't have dev kits, yet first party don't seem to have it neither.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, as we wrap up the week I just want to say that I think Microsoft's move to have the new Xbox's available EARLY in November is the right way to go. I've always been puzzled why they would wait often until after Black Friday to make them available. I would think early November or even October would be the best time to have products launched. Can get that initial holiday rush and still restock at least a few times before the end of the year. Will be curious to see if Sony now sticks to a late November availability or if the shoot for earlier as well.. Make it October 1, please!!!
TheGreatWhiteShark
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if they dont have dev kits then how come they are complaining about s?
pc is a dev kit too you know, and probably the most loaded kit with tools
SlimySnake
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the PS5 apu is around 20% smaller so 20% cheaper. assuming the apu cost MS $150, we can assume sony will save $30 here.
the ps5 ram is 20% slower. that is a cost decision in itself since the github leaks had sony in the 500 gbps range as well. they are likely saving around $10-20 here.
the ps5 cooling solution is more expensive than it used to be but its still only a few dollars. not the $20-30 ms pays for vapor chamber cooling. Penello who seemed to have figured out the whole sandwich strategy was baffled by it on era. that was the main thing he picked up on in the bloomberg bom article, and i bet as one of the architects of the sandwich strategy he didnt anticipate sony saving $20-25 dollars on a better cooling solution. He said that they expected the ps5 to be a $399 8 tflops console and i believe sony hitting 10 tflops threw a wrench in their plans. even at 9.2 tflops they probably thought they were in the clear becuase the cooling solution must have been more expensive than theirs but if the bloomberg article is to be believed then its only a few dollars and way cheaper than vapor chamber cooling.
i think where sony got fucked is in the ssd prices. but this thing looks like it was designed to be a $399 console from the get go. that said, their ssd is a custom ssd by sony themselves so they are probably not paying any kind of royalties or pruchase surchage to samsung like MS is.
yewles1
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I'm hearing all dev kits have an "S mode" to tone down specs to simulate the S hardware. Can't get a confirmation though.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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this is old news. microsoft has shipped s devkits too. it seems some developers found profiles ...confusing
and the SDK has changed a lot
Bo_Hazem
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Because if I told you how about I give you 10gigs of ram and you have access to only 7.5gigs and you have to have full next gen games running at 1440p. You don't need to be a genius to know that it's fucked up, heck 16GB is already thin on XSX. PS5 having state of the art storage does mitigate that to some extent, along with Geometry Engines frame polygon budget. Not sure how is that hard to understand.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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Actually if you could read the SDK notes, problems they were having were of more rookie level than this.
anyway, you forgot the ™ symbol after "playstation state of the art storage and geometry engine"
you should not forget the important things ;]
MasterCornholio
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I mean as long as the developers have access to console hardware I don't see why it should be a problem. The hardware in these consoles is a little bit different than what you get in a PC. You can't just copy and paste a game over without running into some issues. That's basically the main concern of not making games with dev kits.
With that said I'm pretty sure the big names in development have dev kits. It's only the smaller developers that probably have issues getting them.
Well I'll give you the I/O complex but the geometry engine is also in the XSX and XSS.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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Shhhhhh!! don't let Bo learn about this
MasterCornholio
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There's the speculation that it's been customized differently on the PS5 but we don't have any proof of that yet. All Cerny said was that it was new for Playstation.
You know what I find really interesting?
Is that Polaris has a geometry processor in it and the PS4 Pro is based off polaris if I'm not mistaken. Pretty interesting how they are saying it's something new for the PS5.
Maybe geometry engine =/= geometry processor. No idea if that's true since I don't know alot about tech.
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Bo_Hazem
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VRS in Halo says no, they are different and XSX is using traditional LOD's system:
But here, zoom as far as you want, nothing shows LOD system in place.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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I am sure that whatever master cerny designed will be the best ™ ;Ρ
Anyway, since that bill of materials from bloomberg is being mentioned, with the "few dollar" cooling solution, maybe now some understand why I keep asking for stripdown and hands-on
That's practically the only thing I care about regarding ps5 performance
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MasterCornholio
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No your mistaken about Cerny. He isn't perfect but he's a pretty smart guy and im sure he did a good job with the PS5. It's not like it's going to be a nightmare for developers like the PS3 was.
I also don't think you need to believe that youtube comment about PS5s overheating and dying. I don't know if the console will be silent but it shouldn't have any issues due to heat. They are pushing some pretty high clocks and it would be dumb to have basic cooling in something like that.
Aceofspades
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I mean as long as the developers have access to console hardware I don't see why it should be a problem. The hardware in these consoles is a little bit different than what you get in a PC. You can't just copy and paste a game over without running into some issues. That's basically the main concern of not making games with dev kits.
With that said I'm pretty sure the big names in development have dev kits. It's only the smaller developers that probably have issues getting them.
Well I'll give you the I/O complex but the geometry engine is also in the XSX and XSS.
Cerny said that "Cache scrubbers" are custom designed for PS5, not geometry engines. People always get these two mixed
MasterCornholio
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It's all the talk on how the geometry engine is customized for the PS5 that got me confused.
But yes cache scrubbers do sound incredibly useful. Instead of flushing out the entire cache you can just choose what data you want to eliminate. It will make the cache alot more efficient.
3liteDragon
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Bo_Hazem
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Snowdonhoffen
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I've seen our own o'dium being quoted everywhere on twitter and youtube today
TheGreatWhiteShark
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megreotsugua
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I'll talk my ass out.
PS5 distinct look will be about higher asset density - higher texture res, more geometry. Because PS5 has more RAM and much faster SSD. Also gpu is clocked higher.
XSX distinct look is about the little TF advantage provided it is squeezed out. Additional effects perhaps or higher pixel count.
Bo_Hazem
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I travel buddy and i always carry my playstation with me and what if i forget to carry the stand
You can always buy a new base.
Hawking Radiation
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JESUS LMFAOPoor Ryan.
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Three Jackdaws
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I mean as long as the developers have access to console hardware I don't see why it should be a problem. The hardware in these consoles is a little bit different than what you get in a PC. You can't just copy and paste a game over without running into some issues. That's basically the main concern of not making games with dev kits.
With that said I'm pretty sure the big names in development have dev kits. It's only the smaller developers that probably have issues getting them.
Well I'll give you the I/O complex but the geometry engine is also in the XSX and XSS.
I agree we need further clarification on the functions of the Geometry Engine as well as it's feature set. However I would add that the term "geometry engine" is a technical term used in graphics hardware, you can find it being referenced as far back as the 80's.There's the speculation that it's been customized differently on the PS5 but we don't have any proof of that yet. All Cerny said was that it was new for Playstation.
You know what I find really interesting?
Is that Polaris has a geometry processor in it and the PS4 Pro is based off polaris if I'm not mistaken. Pretty interesting how they are saying it's something new for the PS5.
Maybe geometry engine =/= geometry processor. No idea if that's true since I don't know alot about tech.
Mark Cerny stated that the PS5's Geometry Engine allows for the complete control over the graphics rendering pipeline. this is significant for things like performance saving optimisation methods such as culling. As far as I am aware the Geometry Engine in the Polaris GPU's served a similar function however it didn't allow "complete" control over the graphics rendering pipeline compared to what's featured in the PS5. This has also been echoed by Matt Hargett the former Playstation engineer who was discussing graphics in the recent RGT podcast, he mentioned "geometry engines" and quickly added "not trademarked" or something along the lines of that, clearly implying that he was not referring to PS5's "Geometry Engine" (with a upper case G) but using it instead as a technical term. Another feature of the GE is "Primitive Shaders".
That was from what is publicly available however if we want to step into the realm of speculation and leaks, RedGamingTech has mentioned the PS5's Geometry Engine a few times now and talks about how it's deeply customised as well as being unique to the PS5. Additionally he added that features like VRS (Variable Rate Shading) will work in tandem with the PS5's Geometry Engine allowing the VRS to be much more precise and that it will "run circles around" Series X's VRS capability. He was also the first to mention that the PS5's GE will be featured in the RDNA 3 architecture and that it's geometry handling capabilities are significantly better then the standard RDNA 2 GE.
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Three Jackdaws
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MasterCornholio
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Hawking Radiation
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MasterCornholio
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That makes alot of sense to me. I'm sure previous PlayStations had geometry processors in them but the one in the PS5 is more advanced. Like you said it allows developers alot more control than before. As for the customizations that certainly can be true but without a detailed breakdown from Sony it will be almost impossible to determine.
I know there's alot that we don't know about the PS5. And I also know that alot of that stuff will never be fully revealed. But what I think we should do as gamers is judge the games on the PS5 to determine if the performance is acceptable or not to us.
MasterCornholio
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Man imagine if someone puts that as their Tinder profile picture.
Shmunter
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Seems to be predicated around 4k vs 1080p. No nuance given on GPU resources being deployed for scene density instead of pixel counts. A strategy expected to be more and more prevalent into next gen...or at least it was.
Again, it’s not the strict theoretical of what’s possible in a technical sense. It’s about the extra work involved. And how many devs under time and budget constraints will put in the added work to maximise clever usage of each consoles power.
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marvifrom
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Am I the only who still feels M$ is hiding another surprise? The "we don't believe in generations" comment, I feel has a lot to say with how they see the future of gaming will look like. I'm seriously thinking M$ has found a way that gamers may be able to upgrade their nexgen console specs whether by external GPUs or being able to switch out the board in the console,
TheGreatWhiteShark
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well, if my based lord cerny secret sauce rdna3 playstation 5 advantage ™ will be noisy,You don't deserve that to be honest.
then its gonna be spending the vast majority of its life powered off.
as simple as that. no way am I going again though multiple playstations for disappointment
I know sony and lord cerny would prefer me feeding it with dollars daily, so its up to them. no sweat for me
wat? no, I dont think so. you can upgrade the storage with the ssd slot, and you can upgrade to series x from series s, and thats about it.
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megreotsugua
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The latest trailer I genuinely think is really interesting.
MasterCornholio
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If you don't want it I'll take it. Probably will donate the console to an orphanage. Pretty sure the kiddos won't mind the noise and will have a blast playing it.
As for me I game with luxury cans.
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HawarMiran
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HeisenbergFX4
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Edinburgh
TheGreatWhiteShark
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Maybe I 'll scalp you for it ;Ρ
MasterCornholio
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Sure all you need is a sharp knife and you can cut the top of my head right off. I have pretty thick hair so you could probably use it as a toupee. It could be a cool new look for me.
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3liteDragon
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