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New ways to travel, better city map and other Quality of Life Features are coming to Starfield in 2024
ReBurn
Gold Member
People have become some accustomed to dumbed down open world game maps with markers telling them where every location and side objective sits so that they don't have to explore anything, they can just pound their way though to the trophies and achievements. Attention spans are dead.
In Starfield I found that it was good enough for me to have the current mission marker to highlight the destination without needing to be handheld through every single location on the map. To know where places are you really only need to walk a city once and go through the open doors and talk to people to find out what's there and then just remember it. I guess some people can't find their way around without GPS.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
There's no redemption story here. Not with the xbox tax in place
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hinch7
Member
Still waiting for flying cars. In any case its one the best games in the 'Cyberpunk' setting released thus far alongside Deux Ex. There's not that many choices available as an RPG but as an action RPG its fine. Still one of the most memorable gaming experiences in modern gaming as single player expereriences go. People negging on about it not meeting its expectations are just too wrapped up on the promises made a decade ago.
Hoping Bethesda turns Starfield around.. not only for Bethesda fans but fans of their games, but I think its too little too late for this game. As most people would have moved on by now. What I will say is that they HAVE to do something drastic for TES VI. As Starfield, I feel this game did a lot of damage to their rep. Much like Cyberpunk 2077 did to CD Projekt Red on release.
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Null Persp
Member
I still don't know why they didn't put city maps in this game, dumb decision on top of other dumb decisions.
nowhat
Member
A decade ago? That would be fair, but we're talking about promises made like a few months before release.
Also still waiting for that car customization. Not that I'd personally care that much, but it was prominently featured in a trailer released in October 2020. That is a month before release (or two months, because the last delay, but still).
twilo99
Member
I just need mods to spice things up.. when are those supposed to come again? I think they said sometimes next year but nothing since
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I thought it was early 2024, like February but maybe I miss heard it. Not sure where I saw it tbh.
existensmaximum
Member
It absolutely wasn't trash on PC. I played it day 1 and it was amazing - I encountered like two bugs and one crash. 9.5/10 at least for me, best and most engaging game I'd played in many years.
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hinch7
Member
Most of the complaints were that it was missing a lot of content and they have addressed a lot of them. There's a thread here a few years ago, some of which are still being updated like the Metro system in the last big patch. Didn't know car customisations was even a thing or promised.
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R6Rider
Gold Member
Many people had the same issues with Cyberpunk, including me. Game had tons of core gameplay issues.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
And player mods!Bring on the expansions.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
nowhat
Member
(to the tune of Bob Marley, as sung by Todd)
Old pirates, yes, they rob I
Sold I to the MS ships
Minutes after they took I
From the Skyrim pit
But my leather jacket was made strong
By the hand of sixteen times the detail
We forward in this console generation
It just works, don't count sales in retail
Oh won't you help to sing
These songs of Starfield
'Cause all I ever have
Redemption song
And Steam reviews are wrong
GHG
Member
Scam Citizen crew coming in like
This is an unfortunate response, even by your standards.
I haven't purchased star Citizen and don't intend to until it's finished. At least they have the decency to aptly label their game as early access though. Quite a few other development studios and publishers could learn a thing or two from them there.
Buggy Loop
Member
Scam Citizen crew coming in like
Why are you attacking
GHG
?Let's see, one of the most recent Star Citizen thread with all the citizencon content, which was hype as fuck, and I created :
What is your problem?
Oh but big brain move there, "scam" citizen HURHURHUR.
Went from 8 employees behind a demo to ~800 employees at CIG, ~2 thousands worldwide with all satellite studios
Had no engine, nor like a team ready to start a project on an engine that they knew inhouse for decades, or even the employee structure that a long time studio has at the beginning of a project. Has two massive projects at the same time, the single player and the MMO. Is spending nearly all yearly fundings into operational costs, because you know, it's an UK company and all of that is available publicly..
While not finished, I had more fun with the MMO full of bugs and jank, WAY more fun in fact, than 98 hours of Starfield with all faction and main quests done.
So the "scam" has managed with 10 years of work on two projects, with ~$600M to have more impact than 8 years of development with $400M from a crew of devs that had already the engine and a team that is structured to make games for decades.
In fact Starfield reception is so bad that Star Citizen is approaching RECORD year and membership spike. Thanks Todd!
Sometimes taking the time to set up the technology is important, Starfield can never go back
Maybe now that citizencon happened and unveiled a shitload of tech, maybe Bethesda can take a look at a map system and copy
Or... naw, took them 2 months to implement DLSS which was done by an amateur in 5 minutes at launch, there's no way they make a meaningful map. Have they even implemented a button prompt to eat food without going to inventory yet? Or is that a 2024 feature?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why are you attacking
Let's see, one of the most recent Star Citizen thread with all the citizencon content, which was hype as fuck, and I created :
What is your problem?
Oh but big brain move there, "scam" citizen HURHURHUR.
Went from 8 employees behind a demo to ~800 employees at CIG, ~2 thousands worldwide with all satellite studios
Had no engine, nor like a team ready to start a project on an engine that they knew inhouse for decades, or even the employee structure that a long time studio has at the beginning of a project. Has two massive projects at the same time, the single player and the MMO. Is spending nearly all yearly fundings into operational costs, because you know, it's an UK company and all of that is available publicly..
While not finished, I had more fun with the MMO full of bugs and jank, WAY more fun in fact, than 98 hours of Starfield with all faction and main quests done.
Sometimes taking the time to set up the technology is important, Starfield can never go back
Maybe now that citizencon happened and unveiled a shitload of tech, maybe Bethesda can take a look at a map system and copy
Or... naw, took them 2 months to implement DLSS which was done by an amateur in 5 minutes at launch, there's no way they make a meaningful map. Have they even implemented a button prompt to eat food without going to inventory yet? Or is that a 2024 feature?
Daddy chill.
GHG knows which of his post I'm referring.
semiconscious
Member
yep. it'd be a shame if they aren't...
This game needs a no man’s sky or cyberpunk style committed overhaul. I’ve put it down about 20 hours in. Hopefully they make it significantly less ‘meh’ in a year or two and I’ll pick it back up. It’s extremely rare studios take that step and I’m not sure if the will to do so is there.
Denton
Member
Cyberpunk was never trash, just oldgen console versions were technically fucked up.
Starfield's problems lie elsewhere.
Gonna need receipts on that. Rewatched the "rides of the future" trailer from October 2020. Not a word about car customization in it.
Which were never "promised". But still, they can be modded in on PC.
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nowhat
Member
You are actually right. Something of a Mandela effect I suppose. But I can give you a ton of clips where such a system was promised before. And also "enchangeable parts for tuning".
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Denton
Member
The guy literally says they don't have customization of cars, but have variants of the cars. Which is what the game has.
In reality, most of this whining about "promises" is empty air. Game dev is iterative. Things change.
RavageX
Member
Yeah....yeah it was.
nowhat
Member
Yeah. Look at the clip like a few seconds more, and you'll see that "their powerful engines and exchangeable parts make them perfect for tuning". I don't know if that tuning is only for like imagining, but...
Frankly, I don't care about that aspect that much. Just that if there's ever any more Cyberpunk, make it more RPG. Because as it is and when it comes to CDPR games, I've felt more role-playing as Geralt, which should be a one-and-done character.
cripterion
Member
gothmog
Gold Member
City maps 6 months later seems about as bad as BF2042 releasing a scoreboard 6 months after launch. It would be amazing if Bethesda even got half the shit the DICE team got about that because the BF team actually started steering the game in the right direction after getting blasted by the community.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
The online discourse for the game was incredibly negative because of the bugs and the performance on base last gen consoles. On PC the game ran very well, it still had bugs but it was playable.
The issue is once the hivemind has decided "thing bad" all it can ever conclude is thing bad until the discourse changes. Cyberpunk plenty of good aspects but the "Cyberpunk bad" folks would never acknowledge them. Starfield is in the same boat albeit in better shape in terms of console performance and bugs.
BouncyFrag
Member
I can always find random janitor girl to give her coffee so she can give me random food items she picks up along the 4x4 patch she is sweeping 24/7. 
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, basically same deal as Cyberpunk turned out to be. In a year or two of patches and mods (if Bethesda doesn’t kill off non paid modding by then), Starfield could be decent.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This will be a sub 10USD purchase on Steam if I'm even interested in a few years.
For me, there's too much fundamentally wrong to fix the mediocrity.
For me, there's too much fundamentally wrong to fix the mediocrity.
fallingdove
Member
I stopped playing after 5 hours and deleted it from my Xbox. One of the most boring “AAA” games I have ever played.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
The numbers of chills for CP2077 is amazing. It's like they launched a great game in 2020. Spoiler: it was NOT.
I played on PC day one, maxed out with a very good PC and it was (still is) a buggy mess. I saw someone said "I had only 2 bugs and I played at launch" and I'm like WTF, just open your eyes dude.
And for fun, I wanted to launch Phantom Liberty. As soon as I arrived in front of the stadium, things started to get messy: I had a car that appeared 10m in the air then crashed into another which then glitched halfway into the road. These 2 cars then exploded and the cops started shooting while I was talking to start the PL quest. And, while I was still talking for that PL quest, the cops started shooting at me, killing me. 10 minutes of gameplay on the latest version. What is this fucking trashy game after 3 fucking years??
Anyway, that's enough for my rant against CP2077. As for Starfield these announcements are too little, too late Imo.
I played on PC day one, maxed out with a very good PC and it was (still is) a buggy mess. I saw someone said "I had only 2 bugs and I played at launch" and I'm like WTF, just open your eyes dude.
And for fun, I wanted to launch Phantom Liberty. As soon as I arrived in front of the stadium, things started to get messy: I had a car that appeared 10m in the air then crashed into another which then glitched halfway into the road. These 2 cars then exploded and the cops started shooting while I was talking to start the PL quest. And, while I was still talking for that PL quest, the cops started shooting at me, killing me. 10 minutes of gameplay on the latest version. What is this fucking trashy game after 3 fucking years??
Anyway, that's enough for my rant against CP2077. As for Starfield these announcements are too little, too late Imo.
Hero of Spielberg
Member
Looking forward to seeing what they add. May take a break like I did from CP2077 and wait for a big update before going any further.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Gameplay loop is pretty straightforward to fix here actually.
Survival mode + quests out side cities.
Will realize full potential, incentivizing proper exploration of galaxy.
Considering what they have already delivered (massive game + systems + quests) am sure even 8 years wouldn't be enough to realize their vision. Hence continued development.
Ansphn
Member
Zero. Why? Let me explain.
Cyberpunk made like 10 millions in sales in 10 days. So they actually made money. Also, CD Project Red has a history of fixing and improving their games. Look at the Witcher games.
While... Starfield is on Gamepass making small amounts of money. Also, just look at Redfall and then Halo Infinite. These games are also Xbox 1st party games Day 1 on Gamepass and both has not been improved much.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
This!!
vaibhavpisal
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
People really don't understand that some people love starfield.
Some people love and adore death Stranding, others think its a steaming pile of rancid poo but I don't think ive ever seen a game get so much energy as Starfield gets applied to it.
We all know games aren't for everyone but somehow, some people can't accept that to millions of people, starfield is a good game.
Must be sad to hold such negativity against a game and the company that developed it.
Some people love and adore death Stranding, others think its a steaming pile of rancid poo but I don't think ive ever seen a game get so much energy as Starfield gets applied to it.
We all know games aren't for everyone but somehow, some people can't accept that to millions of people, starfield is a good game.
Must be sad to hold such negativity against a game and the company that developed it.
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March Climber
Member
There are already quite a few non city quests in the game, but I do think a type of survival mode can somewhat help. I think it would have to involve resources being much more limited, removal of level scaling, and also spawning on a random planet in a random system with a random ship.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Whenever you go out and randomly explore a system, you should run into a unique quest. 1-2 quests per system is fine. That would ensure I keep randomly exploring systems.
I did found some quests while exploring, they need to be more regular. Maybe they can tie them into survival systems make them about helping out outposts/settlers. That way they won't need to be elaborate like some of them.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
They still designed it around waypoints as you have a marker telling you what to do, otherwise getting lost was an issue for many so it felt for many like a game designed around something which was then taken away if it makes more sense spelled out this way.
On the methods of transport update, I am not sure it will be about adding seamless travel on the planets/moons you encounter or reduce loading screens throughout the game :/… probably cars/bikes/buggies or something to move faster in the surface. Or stronger jet packs.
On the NMS comeback, aside from modding tools, over time Hello Games brought in much much bigger features / changes to the engine and game than people sometimes give it credit to: full VR with foveated rendering, full online multiplayer, etc… so wishing for a drastic reduction in loading screens and more to do in each (expanded) area on the planet should not be out of this world (no pun intended
).
Tomeru
Member
Cyberpunk was trash technically mainly. Starfield is trash from a gsmeplay wise.
But hey, everything cdn potentially be fixed.
GymWolf
Member
The base of cyberpunk was better than base starfield.
You can't mod out shit writing, plot and characters.
Mephisto40
Member
No amount of band aids are going to stop this game drifting into obscurity now
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Ill wait another year for the 60fps patch