Yeah, it's not too difficult to find the right analogyBasically, Amazon Prime Video rather than Netflix.
Yeah, it's not too difficult to find the right analogyBasically, Amazon Prime Video rather than Netflix.
This.Errr.. this is MS saying how GamePass Xbox users spend more than non-Gamepass Xbox users. Has nothing to do with NIntendo or Playstation players. Why would it? Sony makes their largest chunk of money on DLC/microtransactions.. from 3rd parties.
MS likes to act like GamePass is the cause for this; but it's far more likely just a correlation thing. Their biggest spenders probably are more likely to get something like GamePass, than their smaller spenders.
MS may be spot on as to GP being the cause. Are you dismissing the possibility that the cost of GP itself helps drive that 20%? The value of GP is getting access to all these games for basically the cost of 3 new releases per year (old gen prices anyway). But if we are talking "average" gamers, I bet the average gamer spends less than 3 new releases per year in game purchases.Errr.. this is MS saying how GamePass Xbox users spend more than non-Gamepass Xbox users. Has nothing to do with NIntendo or Playstation players. Why would it? Sony makes their largest chunk of money on DLC/microtransactions.. from 3rd parties.
MS likes to act like GamePass is the cause for this; but it's far more likely just a correlation thing. Their biggest spenders probably are more likely to get something like GamePass, than their smaller spenders.
Define many, like do you have a stat on itGamePass = 18M subs, many are $1-4/mo deals for 3 years. Also a dedicated console for each or you wait in queue, insanely expensive.
Netflix = 300M subs.
Comparing it to Netflix is a complete joke.
You want hardware sales data for fanboy trolling fodder when it means absolutely squat to Microsoft's bottom line.Microsoft is such a tease; they reveal some vague stats yet they never show us what we really want, actual sales data such as software sold in units and Dollars, hardware sales, and profit. like either show us the receipts or shut up.
I'm not dismissing it as a possibility; I'm just doubt it... particularly in this phase where so many GPU customers are people who would have bought XBLG anyways and got literally 3 years of GPU for $1 on top of that.MS may be spot on as to GP being the cause. Are you dismissing the possibility that the cost of GP itself helps drive that 20%? The value of GP is getting access to all these games for basically the cost of 3 new releases per year (old gen prices anyway). But if we are talking "average" gamers, I bet the average gamer spends less than 3 new releases per year in game purchases.
If it's not related to GamePass, then why mention it? Do you think MS has an agenda to obfuscate sales or whatever conspiracy gets bantered about here on a daily basis?Microsoft didn't specify that the users spend that time & money on GamePass games though did they? I've read that paragraph several times over to make sure I'm not missing something
personally the only DLC I've bought for a GamePass game has been the Outer Worlds DLC pack during the sale this past week but I'll eventually pick up the base game on a deep discount too so I own it (and while it is from Obsidian, it's not published by MS so I figure the game will eventually be leaving the platform)
Another xbox thread, same people all over it.
The 20% more spent I would imagine boils down to mtx, expansions and outright purchases of games that they like.
Bo_Hazem your talk about not having to buy hardware for netflix doesn't really make sense. You still need to buy a tv, a computer or a phone to watch it. Netflix doesn't beam directly into your head once you subscribe. Ofcourse lots of households have one or more of the above, but they still had to be bought in order to use said service.
Netflix was created to for people that watch tv. Gamepass was created for people that play videogames. They can be compared quite easily.
Also, you got some sauce for the amount of people using the 1$ upgrade? like what percentage are we talking about here???
Watching people turn themselves into human pretzels if sony announce their own service will be something to behold..
The conspiracy theories reference Game Pass and the salty tears never gets old though. Thanks.
DLC, and games leaving Game Pass being bought up at a discount are possibilities. Also people could be buying other games in a series that aren't part of Game Pass because they liked the prequel. Since people are trying more genres, they may also be buying games that are in the same genre after finding out they are fans.
The conspiracy theories reference Game Pass and the salty tears never gets old though. Thanks.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember reading that Xbox users on average spend more money on games than PlayStation users.Errr.. this is MS saying how GamePass Xbox users spend more than non-Gamepass Xbox users. Has nothing to do with NIntendo or Playstation players. Why would it? Sony makes their largest chunk of money on DLC/microtransactions.. from 3rd parties.
MS likes to act like GamePass is the cause for this; but it's far more likely just a correlation thing. Their biggest spenders probably are more likely to get something like GamePass, than their smaller spenders.
Yeah after you lose popularity the people left behind (which is still a significant userbase) tend to be a bit more hardcore on average.Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember reading that Xbox users on average spend more money on games than PlayStation users.
This would make sense to me because there are probably more casual users that buy a ps4 for one time games like FIFA or COD.
You know what, I totally misunderstood your point about dedicated hardware. I apologise for that.So with GamePass you don't need a tv, computer, or a phone? What are you even saying there? That's an expense at your end, not on the service provider so they don't need to worry about it. You would need a console per player, or semi-console in the server, and when you run out of that you'll need to wait in queue as a player. That's why they can't go full cloud with huge numbers, not to mention silicon shortages. It's cheaper for them to make you download it and play it natively in your own console/PC.
That goes to PS Now as well, I think it'll die first, so don't panic. Google and Amazon which are both massively bigger than MS can't do it as well. Just give it some few years, although can't see cloud gaming to ever be the "next" big thing and will evaporate eventually.
that services that after 8 years is still at 2.2m users because there are just old games that no one cares about ? cmon the two services are not even the same thingIts called psnow son, so cut the bs
Sure son, Thanks for the laughNo comparison son, so cut the bs
The point its, my friend, its Sony users have a similar service since forever, so his point was bullshit, as its usualthat services that after 8 years is still at 2.2m users because there are just old games that no one cares about ? cmon the two services are not even the same thing
Please do not subscribe to Xbox GamePass.
Please do not tell or demand Sony to make a "GamePass" competitor. We don't need or want more of this in the industry.
Please do not subscribe to Xbox GamePass.
Please do not tell or demand Sony to make a "GamePass" competitor. We don't need or want more of this in the industry.
I think he is referring to this campaign (as a joke?):Speak for yourself
naa i think he is just an extremely indoctrinated fanboyAP99's tweets and videos are jokes. Dont take his shit serious. The guy is probably laughing his ass off at the replies.
Pretty sure he's the same guy who broke a PS system because he faked being mad and did that hilarious video where he pretended to cry about The Show being announced multiplat and his friends online were laughing.
Same, but i hope for him i'm wrong.naa i think he is just an extremely indoctrinated fanboy
Google and Amazon which are both massively bigger than MS
Massively bigger in what industry (gaming, cloud services, overall) and what metric and what are you defining as massively bigger.That goes to PS Now as well, I think it'll die first, so don't panic. Google and Amazon which are both massively bigger than MS can't do it as well. Just give it some few years, although can't see cloud gaming to ever be the "next" big thing and will evaporate eventually.
Google and Amazon which are both massively bigger than MS
Same goes for SonyYup. If the sales data was impressive, they'd shout it from the rooftops. When it isn't, they give random stats that make it APPEAR to be impressive.
I appreciate Nintendo. They aren't afraid to reveal their data. They go through periods where their consoles sell extremely well and periods where they are horrible. Either way, they don't hide the data.
And does 18 mil subs are a combination of Gamepass on Xbox One and Xbox X and S and PC.....GamePass = 18M subs, many are $1-4/mo deals for 3 years. Also a dedicated console for each or you wait in queue, insanely expensive.
Netflix = 300M subs.
Comparing it to Netflix is a complete joke.
Massively bigger in what industry (gaming, cloud services, overall) and what metric and what are you defining as massively bigger.
I am curious to see how many people feel this way as well. I am kinda in the same boat. If I were to consider buying DLC for a game, I'd also think of buying the game. Otherwise, I would just skip the DLC.I can only speak for myself but I definitely play more, and more varied, games using gamepass.
Haven't bought anything on Xbox since I got GamePass though. I personally don't really feel like DLC etc. is worth purchasing when I don't own the game.