Bernd Lauert
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No need to acquire SEGA when you put their games on Gamepass Day 1 anyway.
No bc it's PC onlyWell done, Phil Spencer.
Is Total War Warhammer 3 Xcloud compatible ?
Results from deals don't transpire sequentially or in a purely linear fashion; the two parties could've already been hashing out details related to partnership intent months or even a full year prior, and certain content securement for GamePass might've been part of the terms they agreed to.Not sure why Sega continuing to put games into Game Pass as they have done all year is suddenly related to Sega's cloud strategy, but seems clear the validation bar has been set extremely low. Oh well.....
Results from deals don't transpire sequentially or in a purely linear fashion; the two parties could've already been hashing out details related to partnership intent months or even a full year prior, and certain content securement for GamePass might've been part of the terms they agreed to.
Since some of that content was either already out or would come available before other aspects of the deal would, that particular content would've just so happened to come into the service.
Results from deals don't transpire sequentially or in a purely linear fashion; the two parties could've already been hashing out details related to partnership intent months or even a full year prior, and certain content securement for GamePass might've been part of the terms they agreed to.
Since some of that content was either already out or would come available before other aspects of the deal would, that particular content would've just so happened to come into the service.
Results from deals don't transpire sequentially or in a purely linear fashion; the two parties could've already been hashing out details related to partnership intent months or even a full year prior, and certain content securement for GamePass might've been part of the terms they agreed to.
Since some of that content was either already out or would come available before other aspects of the deal would, that particular content would've just so happened to come into the service.
The deal was only to use MS's server cloud management software. They could have other one for their servers, like Google Cloud or the market leader Amazon AWS. Many companies use Amazon AWS, and this doesn't mean they are going to be acquired by Amazon, or if they are gaming company that will put their game on Amazon Prime, etc.Yea, I don't get why existing evidence of a closer relationship can't still be evidence that there is more to the deal even as we get newer evidence that they're pretty damn close. I believe before it was older games or existing titles that had already released long ago that was being dropped into game pass. Like a Dragon may have been the more recent addition of their newest releases, but Yakuza: Like a Dragon did not launch day one on Game Pass for console as well as PC like this game is. This is a stepping up of the Sega and Xbox relationship.
To me, these look like events happening at two very different levels and thus, unrelated. I don't know that though. I'm speculating as much as everyone else obviously.
Yea, I don't get why existing evidence of a closer relationship can't still be evidence that there is more to the deal even as we get newer evidence that they're pretty damn close. I believe before it was older games or existing titles that had already released long ago that was being dropped into game pass. Like a Dragon may have been the more recent addition of their newest releases, but Yakuza: Like a Dragon did not launch day one on Game Pass for console as well as PC like this game is. This is a stepping up of the Sega and Xbox relationship.
The deal was only to use MS's server cloud management software. They could have other one for their servers, like Google Cloud or the market leader Amazon AWS. Many companies use Amazon AWS, and this doesn't mean they are going to be acquired by Amazon, or if they are gaming company that will put their game on Amazon Prime, etc.
Japan is dead. Nobody cares about Japan.Nobody is fearing anything. Oh please. MS has tried to best Sony at Japanese games since the 360. It always amounted to nothing. There’s nothing to fear when PlayStation has always gotten Japanese games by default. It’s MS who has to keep taking trips to Japan to try and get games.
There’s a whole lot of assumptions and speculation in your post. You want to know the difference with what you guys are posting compared to the people who are saying exactly what this is? Our information comes directly from the announcement. Leaving no need to speculate and overhype everything little thing leading to disappointment. Which is typical of the Xbox fanbase.
Most of the people that said that are probably banned by now. Was funny though, looking back at all that. Thinking it WOULDN'T be exclusive is hilarious.Exactly. There's something different about this one.
You have to realize that many of the same people telling us with absolute certainty that this has totally nothing to do with Xbox are also the same business analysts who told us for sure that Microsoft wasn't going to make Bethesda's newest games exclusive because they had to make their $7.5 billion back from the purchase, and Playstation was a market leader that simply couldn't be ignored.
They announced a partnerhip to use Azure. To think the deal goes beyond and that they are hiding other things like a potential future acquisition or a deal to include games in gamepass, ports or something like that is only conspiracy theories that don't make sense. Why they would need to hide something like that, which would be good PR for them? Like Phil saying hey, we made a deal to secure that some cool Sega games will finally come to PC, and some other games will be on Gamepass day one!Lol it's not exactly smart to use absolutes in regards to a deal where many of the details are still outside of public view. Just a few days ago a lot of people were saying this would have absolutely no affect on Xbox or GamePass and yet the new Total War is coming Day 1 to GamePass PC, AFAIK this is the first Sega titles coming to GamePass on Day 1, the others have been late ports/inclusions.
It's an stupid example that is exactly the same case. Yes, it's stupid to think that because your company hired some server it implies you are going to sell your company to that server company or that you will do exclusive stuff fot them, that you're hiding something, etc. It doesn't make sense. You simply signed a deal to manage your game or service servers using their software, that's all.BTW I have no idea why you're bringing up theoretical Amazon acquisitions here;
Amazon AWS is the market leader, they have a bigger market share than Azure, which is what Sega hired here. In overall market and for gaming companies. In fact, AWS is several years older than Azure. And Google is the giant we all know, that in addition to many other services they have Google Cloud, which is the 3rd in market share of this market.Neither Google nor Amazon can provide the expertise of gaming-centric end-to-end cloud technologies (hardware & software) and services, for both end-point clients (gamers) and client development pipelines (ad-hoc virtual content programming/creation/communication software and the hardware to run them on through the cloud) combined with years of experience in the mainstream, core console and PC gaming markets the way Microsoft can, and that's something Sega apparently saw & desired, hence them going with the solution which they have.
Then if someone at MS buys some Sony tvs, cameras or PlayStations means MS will go third party or sell Xbox to Sony? No, because it's something different and unrelated.And again, there could be other aspects to this deal being kept between the two parties in question, that may be divulged at a later date. But it's not exactly hard to see some parallels between their working relationship here and what came of such during their OG Xbox era, which if it means new Sega games in IP that otherwise would not have been made through Sega themselves, I and I'm sure many others would gladly welcome.
They announced a partnerhip to use Azure. To think the deal goes beyond and that they are hiding other things like a potential future acquisition or a deal to include games in gamepass, ports or something like that is only conspiracy theories that don't make sense.
Why they would need to hide something like that, which would be good PR for them? Like Phil saying hey, we made a deal to secure that some cool Sega games will finally come to PC, and some other games will be on Gamepass day one!
It's an stupid example that is exactly the same case. Yes, it's stupid to think that because your company hired some server it implies you are going to sell your company to that server company or that you will do exclusive stuff fot them, that you're hiding something, etc. It doesn't make sense. You simply signed a deal to manage your game or service servers using their software, that's all.
Amazon AWS is the market leader, they have a bigger market share than Azure, which is what Sega hired here. In overall market and for gaming companies. In fact, AWS is several years older than Azure. And Google is the giant we all know, that in addition to many other services they have Google Cloud, which is the 3rd in market share of this market.
Azure, AWS, Google Cloud have nothing to do with gaming, programming and so on. They are a software to remotely manage a cloud of servers stored in data centers. Then the company who hired these servers will put there or program themselves by their own and without any help of the server management software whatever they want: the servers of an app, a website, a game, a video or game streaming platform, etc.
Then if someone at MS buys some Sony tvs, cameras or PlayStations means MS will go third party or sell Xbox to Sony? No, because it's something different and unrelated.
If the Sony staff uses Windows on their PCs or Azure for their servers means they will make Xbox games or going to put their games on Gamepass? No, because it's something different and unrelated.
If Sega decided to use AWS for these servers instead of AWS would mean that they were going to include their games on Amazon Luna, Amazon Prime Gaming or that were going to sell Sega to Amazon? No, because it's something different and unrelated.
Fun fact: Many years ago Sony had Buzz! a casual party game that was somewhat popular in Europe. The game was like a TV show where from time to time appeared some stock images. The company that provided these images to Sony was owned by Bill Gates, and was while he was running MS and Xbox.
Companies that 'compete' in some area often sign deals, hire services or buy products of their 'competition' in other areas. And it doesn't imply at all that they could have some other deal in the area where they 'compete'.
Sega announced they will use MS's software to manage servers, Azure. That's all.
If that deal would be part of something bigger that would include gaming deals they would have announced it. There's no reason to hide it. If they didn't announce anything else is because there's nothing else.
Sega is building a game streaming platform for Japan, where they plan to use arcade cabinets that when nobody is playing act as 'data centers' for that cloud service.
Since in Japan they have a lot of arcades everywhere
the player using that game streaming service at home very likely will have some of these arcades closer to his home than a traditional data center, which means latency will be better streaming from that arcade cabinet than from a normal data center. Very likely this game streaming platform will feature many Sega games and IPs. I asume they hired Azure to use to manage the servers of that service. And also the reason of why in that announcement they talk about stuff like clod gaming, 5G, IP utilization, to build a game development environment, community, "super game", etc.
Kadokawa gave 2% of its shares to Sony in exchange for Sony helping Kadokawa to bring Kadokawa games and anime to a global market. So it means Sony will help to bring Kadokawa games and anime to a global (so mostly outside Japan, since most Kadokawa IPs are very Japan focused) market.Well that's kind of grand considering you've done similar with Kadokawa, From Software etc. when it comes to Sony financial investments, have you not?
Do I believe MS could make a deal with Sega to make some (timed, console or total) exclusive game for them? Yes.And like you have there, I'm actually using some evidence, in this case historical precedent between the two companies and various other business deals the two have made particularly of recent. This isn't stuff being pulled out of thin air, there are even a few others who tend to be insiders suggesting there's more to the deal than what's on the surface/been presented as of this time.
There are many reasons of why a company would want one or another solution: its price, ease of use/compatibility with whatever else they have, scalability related stuff, etc. Market share tells you that most customers prefer more this or that product. But your specific needs or tastes may be different than the ones from the majority of the users.It's almost as if market share alone isn't the only factor why a company would want a given solution...could argue the same about market share in certain other markets as well ...
I'm a game programmer who worked in big F2P games with dozens of millions of users. We had 3 different coder teams: client, server and netops.Jeez you are being oddly reductive and dismissive. You nor I know the specifics to how deep Microsoft's involvement with Sega will be in Sega's utilization of Azure, but is a pretty ignorant opinion on your end. There's no "game code" or "game hardware" out there; all various applications use similar code and it's up to the programmer to determine how that code is utilized.
You can use C++ to program a game or program a spreadsheet application or a timer for an embedded system; there are no variables, functions or program calls/modules you use SPECIFICALLY for gaming or better to say, are defined with the singular purpose of game design or "programming" (which can literally encompass anything, including programming applications for, you guessed it, server workloads, or multiplayer network framework backends).
Your view on server software & hardware technology, is extremely limited to say the least.
That two gaming companies who have other divisions can make deal and business with other divisions of these companies. And it doesn't imply anything for the rest of their business side. In this thread example they are getting a server related service for a game or service, in the other case they were licensing stock photos for a game.Okay, and? How does this tie into the main topic of the thread?
They both are game publishers. But yes, I was thinking in Sony insttea of Sega because of hte previous example, my mistake ^_ ^jSo Microsoft and Sega are competing now? How? In what way? I think you forgot this was a thread about Sega, not Sony
I'm simply saying that the press release simply announces that Sega made a deal with MS to use Azure in their project. Which is ok and that I don't see why it's a big deal or why it should mean something else.Again, you're speaking in absolutes, almost aggressively or sternly against an idea opposite to this. That's a problem, it's damaging your argument and I think it's partly because of one of those 'fears' I spoke about earlier. This is proof of that.
Game companies make press releases announcing their products, their deals and so on. Devolver announced an IPO, so it means you now can buy stocks. The other they announced that Sega will put some game at Gamepass, so it means they put that game in gamepass. When there's an acquisition they make a press release of that acquisition. The Kadokawa deal was announced saying what kind of deal was, and this deal has been announced saying they get Azure. All the companies have no issues to announce these things.How do you know what they would've announced and how? Do you run Microsoft? The Xbox division? Do you run Sega? Were you a part of whatever talks the two have had? If you were none of those things, then you have no grounds to try stating anything here as an absolute, otherwise it looks like a preemptive defense against something you irrationally fear happening.
Yes, it's my theory.That is their fog gaming service, and it's already being implemented on some scale. It's possible this Azure deal could be partly in service to that as well, FWIW.
No, what they sold to Genda was the division who managed them or something like that. I don't remember exactly what they did I'm sure it didn't mean they were selling their game division or game centers.Uh...they kinda sold off the majority of their arcade centers earlier this year, so you're gonna have to be more specific if you mean arcade centers or arcade games/machines.
I just share the stuff I know and like to debate, but providing proper facts and data if we aren't talking about personal opinions. When I see some fact pointing clearly that something is in a certain way I don't see the point to speculate that it really is in another way, that they are hiding something or stuff like that. It's a bit like conspiracy theories. English is my 3rd language, so I may sound rude or not polite enough, or don't explain myself properly.Fair enough; see, THIS is how you can apply a constructive point of speculation to the discussion. No fear-mongering, no stubborn speaking-in-absolutes out of unfounded fears, just say what YOU think the deal is in pertains to. Because I would agree that at least some part of this is definitely in relation to Sega's fog gaming initiative.
However, your problem is that you are very aggressively wanting to shut down any other points of speculation that open up this deal as something having additional benefits to the Xbox and GamePass ecosystem WRT games from Sega, whether they be more Day-1 GamePass entries, co-funded games between Sega/MS or even some Sega exclusives for Xbox & GamePass ecosystem. All of which have historical precedent/evidence to point to for substantiation.
Maybe try and be a bit more open-minded, eh ?
what they sold to Genda was the division who managed them or something like that. I don't remember exactly what they did I'm sure it didn't mean they were selling their game division or game centers.
As explained every year in their yearly or quarterly IR reports companies like Sega, Capcom and the other ones close or sell game centers (this/last year more due to covid), and also open new ones. When they close they move these machines to other ones they have nearby. There are still many Sega ceners open in Japan, with the Sega logos in the entrance and full of Sega machines. What happened there is that now they are operated by Genda instead of an internal Sega division/company."However, it's worth noting that while Sega Entertainment creates and operates the company's arcade locations, Sega itself still manufactures and sells arcade machines."Sega Sammy sells arcade business Sega Entertainment to Genda Inc
Sega Sammy has announced it will sell the majority of its shares in its Sega Entertainment division to Japanese amuseme…www.gamesindustry.biz
They sold game centers.
I kindly suggest you to read again the first couple of pages or so of the thread, you'll see many people talking about gamepass, Sega's acquisition, game exclusivities or Sega and MS working together in games or even MS cofunding sega games and many more game related things. Example of one of the posts (one yours, doesn't mean that this post includes all these assumptions that this deal to use Azure means something else beyond Sega using Azure for the servers of some upcoming multiplayer game or service, most of them were made by other people. In fact your post is one of the most reasonable ones):yurinka Seriously until you can get all your acquisition talking points out of your mouth when I've NEVER suggested that as a potential result of this deal, nor has ANYONE else ITT to my knowledge, then there's no point in furthering our discussion.
Besides, it's a Saturday, I'm not spending half an hour picking apart everything wrong in that post of yours because I'm gonna go, you know like...play games instead so .
But again, we're in circles repeating the same again and again. I think it's time to stop.This is great news; I feel like Sega still has a pretty messy development pipeline in areas and these plans are probably part of longer-term restructuring they were already doing earlier. In a way it's kind of like Sega and Microsoft coming full-circle again in terms of Microsoft providing technologies for Sega (they did this long ago with the Dreamcast).
I hope this extends to Microsoft co-funding some new Sega AAA titles like back in the OG Xbox days; if it's the only way we can get a new Panzer Dragoon, Phantasy Star (Online or solo), ThunderForce (Sega owns the IP now), Dragon Force, Ristar, Crazy Taxi, Rez, Fighter's Megamix etc. then I'm all for it.
Nice news to stealth drop on Halloween xD, now I'm gonna go back to playing some games.
@Abriael_GN Yes this announcement's primarily about Sega and Azure, but it's also not out of the realm of possibility that co-funding of some games (possibly exclusive) between Microsoft and Sega could also be a part of this and, in fact, would not be unprecedented between the two of them.
There's no point trying to downplay this as something that isn't gaming-related given that's basically Sega's main business, but I also agree that anyone trying to read too much into this i.e an acquisition should probably stop where they are and not jump the gun, because this is no evidence of that. It's not even particularly evidence of MS co-funding any games for Sega that would be potentially be exclusive to the Xbox ecosystem, but that's a far more realistic possibility than an acquisition and probably a smarter one financially-speaking, at least for the next few years.
I'm particularly interested if Sega integrates Azure with their fog gaming initiative they've already kind of got going for arcades in Japan...well the ones they still happen to own, anyway. Or maybe this could be something they use to re-enter that market (in terms of ownership/running of arcade/FEC game centers in Japan and other parts of Asia) with a different strategy utilizing Azure in some capacity.
I kindly suggest you to read again the first couple of pages or so of the thread, you'll see many people talking about gamepass, Sega's acquisition, game exclusivities or Sega and MS working together in games or even MS cofunding sega games and many more game related things.
The difference is how the speculation is in what case: if Kadokawa asks Sony to help them to bring their games to a global market, I speculate which games will be and in which way they are going to collaborate.Which is...no different than what you've done on multiple occasions when it comes to various Sony investments or business initiatives like Kadokawa, From Software, speculating on Square-Enix/Capcom etc. acquisitions by Sony and using various means to try explaining why those could happen, etc. You can't really balk at people ITT who did essentially the same thing you regularly do in various Sony-related threads.
Again, I wasn't talking only about you when I mentioned that I think many people in this thread was trying to see too much things in this deal where they basically only announced than they will use Azure for their servers.And again FWIW, I personally didn't bring up anything about acquisitions, and if there were people mentioning that then I likely glanced over those posts since I didn't take them seriously. But the other stuff you're touching on? Again I speak only for myself, but I didn't speculate on game exclusives/Sega & MS co-developed/co-funded games as if it was factually going to happen or that the specifics of the deal which have been publicly presented so far actually explicitly state those things are going to happen.
However, I can very confidently go back to historical precedents where those things DID happen between the two, as means of healthily speculating they could be things that come forth thanks to deals like the one the two have announced last week, and my line of questioning has been with yourself and a few others ITT who are adamantly, profusely against the possibility (or probability) of any of that happening that you are speaking in absolutes as if Xbox and GamePass will so no benefits now or into the future due to this deal, while ignoring the reality that such a deal can open the door for other deals that could produce some of the things I have reasonably pointed out as being possible.
You're free to speculate whatever you want. You have your opinion, I have mine and that's ok. We don't need to agree in everything. I think I repeated too much times my points and tried to explain them in detail. Fear? I don't give a fuck if two corporations make any kind of deals or not. If Sega releases some game I want to play I'll buy them, or if they put them at launch on PS Plus or Game Pass I'll play them instead. Totally fine for me.That has been my line of questioning here and will continue to be for future reference, I do think some unfounded fear is an underlying factor in such strong viewpoints of opposition to the idea of those potential scenarios coming about and that's just something people with those viewpoints will have to address with themselves IMO.
Yep, same here. Seems they will revive some IPs in different ways (remasters/remakes/reboots/old versions emulated or rereleased in collections/etc) and will focus on worlwide multiplatform releases and will invest more in localization too. I'd like to see back Out Run, Afterburner, Shinobi, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Crazy Taxi etc. with new brand games and also will investing more in subscription models (as we saw with Virtua Fighter eSports in PS Plus). I think they did a great job with Sonic Mania a Streets of Rage 4, let's hope they combine this with proper AAA Out Run or Afterburner games etc.But for now, yes, let's just agree to disagree on this particular topic and see where things actually lead over the next few weeks or months. All I really want of this is new AA/AAA Sega games of dormant IP with potential (Panzer Dragoon, Dragon Force, Phantasy Star, Skies of Arcadia, Outrun, Crazy Taxi etc.) that Sega likely wouldn't do on their own, and things like a clearly visible strengthening on their relationship with Microsoft are one of the few realistic paths towards that becoming a reality.
The difference is how the speculation is in what case: if Kadokawa asks Sony to help them to bring their games to a global market, I speculate which games will be and in which way they are going to collaborate.
If Sony acquires companies and say they will acquire more I speculate which ones they will buy next or which I think would fit them better.
If Sega announces they got a deal to use a software for a company, let's say they announce will use Unreal Engine, I don't speculate if they will sign PC store exclusivity wih Epic Store of if Epic will buy them. Because I see it as them only buying a software license, like when getting Photoshop or an email service.
Again, I wasn't talking only about you when I mentioned that I think many people in this thread was trying to see too much things in this deal where they basically only announced than they will use Azure for their servers.
Do I think them getting Azure may mean it's only a part of a bigger deal beyond what they announced? No, I think this deal announcement is only to announce they got that service and that there isn't anything else in this deal and if they make other deals will be separate deals.
Do I think Sega and MS could make other kind of deals? For sure, as you said they made more in the past and one is a publisher and the other one a platform holder, so it would make sense to see them making deals, in the same way they also make deals with Nintendo or Sony.
You're free to speculate whatever you want. You have your opinion, I have mine and that's ok. We don't need to agree in everything. I think I repeated too much times my points and tried to explain them in detail. Fear? I don't give a fuck if two corporations make any kind of deals or not. If Sega releases some game I want to play I'll buy them, or if they put them at launch on PS Plus or Game Pass I'll play them instead. Totally fine for me.
Yep, same here. Seems they will revive some IPs in different ways (remasters/remakes/reboots/old versions emulated or rereleased in collections/etc) and will focus on worlwide multiplatform releases and will invest more in localization too. I'd like to see back Out Run, Afterburner, Shinobi, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Crazy Taxi etc. with new brand games and also will investing more in subscription models (as we saw with Virtua Fighter eSports in PS Plus). I think they did a great job with Sonic Mania a Streets of Rage 4, let's hope they combine this with proper AAA Out Run or Afterburner games etc.
Super Game is a policy for several titles.Sega is reportedly could spend up to 1 billion dollars on their "super game". I wonder if they are receiving financial backing from Microsoft. It is borderline irresponsible for a corporation the size of Sega to spend that much on a game.
Sega could spend $1bn on its ‘super game’, including studio acquisitions | VGC
The Japanese publisher wants to create a “major global title” within the next few years…www.videogameschronicle.com
For sure, I don't expect Sony to publish games on Xbox or Switch. I expect them to publish them on PS and a few years later in PC, because it's what they do. If Sony doesn't publish the games of that deal and Kadokawa does it and Sony instead markets its and helps with something else (funding, codeveloping), I'm pretty sure they'll ask for at least console exclusivity and or at least timed console exclusivity.But all of your speculation on that front has assumed platform exclusivity and heavily staggered PC release windows even in the face of Sony becoming more aggressive with supporting the PC platform. So, you can't say you don't selectively choose to ignore certain mounting realities when it comes to your own speculation, that makes some of the vehement questioning of other folks' speculation by you kind of funny tbh.
Again, I can point out the irony in all of this. You've in the past speculated on several companies, like Square-Enix, being acquired by Sony on the mere mention of Sony saying they're looking to acquire more companies, and used the fact that Sony and Square-Enix seem to have a strong working relationship with multiple timed exclusivity deals (mainly Final Fantasy-related) as points to bolster this.
Yes, when we speculated about who could they buy or who could fit them better when it's a thread about it and knowing they are buying and will continue buying. Square has, had and announced to have several exclusives and has several IPs and teams that may be appealing for Sony, with also potential to use them in cinema or anime. They made exclusive stuff for Sony since the PS1 and Sony likes to buy people who made many exclusives for them. They have a lot of back catalog that would fit well PS Now. Sony also is strengthening bonds with Asian teams. And many reasons more to think it would be appealing for Sony. Yes, I think Sony could buy them or at least to be interested on them but I see other targets more appealing or a better and easier fit.Which is fine and well, but you've also done this without Square-Enix ever really coming out making statements WRT acquisitions, or backing up/supporting Sony's statements on it, or any formally announced deals between the two that could possibly hint at such being the case. At the same time, you want to simply use solely the absolute/objective terms of this deal between Microsoft and Sega as means to stressing there's nothing in it that can suggest acquisitions...which is fair enough in its own right to do.
I never said they would buy SE to counter balance the Zenimax acquisition.However, why not have that logic consistently when it comes to your Sony-related stuff? Again, go back to Square-Enix and you've suggested them multiple times as a likely acquisition by Sony to "counter-balance" Microsoft acquiring Zenimax/Bethesda, using the working relationship between Sony and Square-Enix as means of backing this, but deny any such thing for Microsoft/Sega acquisition talk (which hasn't really been happening ITT, to my knowledge), as if those two also don't have strong working relationships, or prior histories involving funding for ecosystem exclusives, software/hardware tech & API developments etc.
But again this is your hypocrisy showing through because you've used things like Sony buying a (very minority) stake in companies like Kodakawa
Sony didn't buy anything, Kadokawa gave 2% of its company to Sony and 2% to Cyber Agent as part of their 3 way deal where Sony would help bring Kadokawa games and anime to a worldwide market.Well, I am definitely talking about you specifically when I bring up some of the hypocrisy
I'm not against anything. I just say that I think that to speculate that there may be something else hidden behind the deal to get Azure doesn't make sense. They made a deal for Azure and that's all.If you're open to that possibility, why are you also so much against people who have otherwise been entertaining it as a possibility themselves?
I don't care if these companies make a deal or not and if the make it with one or another. They are too big to fail and are in a good shape. I'll get their games if they are appealing to me independently where they publish them of with who they partner. Yes, looking at all metrics I think PS is doing a better job than Xbox, so I like it more. There's nothing bad on that.I didn't mean fear in a literal sense, it's moreso figurative, but I do mean it in terms of people who may have a certain platform/brand preference, and a certain other platform/brand bias against, not wanting the latter to benefit from some of those possibilities I've been on about because they perceive it to hurt what they have a preference for.
That's ultimately what I feel we both want: new in-house (or 3P studio collabs at bigger funding levels) Sega sequels/revivals of classic IP that could do very well at a AA/AAA level and maybe some adjustments of certain things here and there. Whether that's through Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or all of them (similar to what they did in the 6th gen post-Dreamcast), if it means more of those types of games then I think everyone wins in the end.
The reason I may be leading with Microsoft and Sega doing this (at least kicking such off) is because there's a lot of various releases and deals the two have already done the past few years that could be seen as building up to such a partnership for Microsoft to fund & provide technical support to Sega to get some of that going. And, naturally, one would expect such titles to come at the benefit of Xbox and GamePass, perhaps exclusively.
However, I've never been against the idea of Sega doing similar things with Sony, in fact I think I suggested in the past that those two could have a path towards Sony co-funding a Virtua Fighter 6, most likely as a PS5/PC exclusive. And they have already been doing something like this with Nintendo, lending them the Bayonetta IP for example (which is why we even got Bayonetta 2 and 3).
Additionally, in the case of MS/Sega I wouldn't expect any of those exclusives (if they are to come) to be with specific IP of Persona, Yakuza, or SMT. At most you might get release parity of new installments there between Xbox, PlayStation and/or Switch...I would be surprised if it meant games like Persona or SMT getting Day 1 GamePass treatment, though. At the same time, I doubt it means Sony gets to lock down Persona as a console exclusive going forward, and perhaps even Nintendo losing exclusivity on the SMT games (tho in their case, likely still staying console exclusive. Just that say SMT 6 could be a Nintendo/PC Day-and-Date type of thing with Sega/Atlus handling publishing themselves on the PC side).
I have to admit I was a bit suspicious as well as Sarah Bond was involved until a poster guided me to her full job description which was much more broad than I had initially thought.Who would've thought there was no deeper meaning behind the alliance?
I'll save this post. i have the feeling that will age very badly
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
Partnership with Microsoft to use its cloud platform somehow equals exclusive games, gamepass and acquisition.