akimbo009
Gold Member
Dang. MS's response isn't mincing words calling out FTC
This was ABKs response and lawyers, not MS.
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This was ABKs response and lawyers, not MS.
thismeinteil
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"People only raise a fuss when Xbox does it."
You got a funny definition of agreeing.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
The only people who would be hurt by this acquisition would be the Activision fans on Playstation who refuse to game on anything that doesn't have the glorious Sony logo on it. They like to say "I don't play Xbox because it doesn't have the games I like" but then complain when Xbox starts getting games, "wait you're doing it wrong, there's only 1 correct way to get exclusives on your system and that's not one of them because Sony isn't doing it that way". And there's all this fear of consolidation yet when Tencent and Embracer are buying studios left and right there's no real blowback, nor when Sony purchases studios. I'm not saying there's no reason to be against this acquisition, just that the vast majority of people here that are opposed to it are opposed to it because it's Microsoft and because it's Xbox, not because they're fundamentally opposed to it, and they are just using these fake justifications to hide behind so that they're not exposed
gothmog
Gold Member
There are plenty of reasons to be all doom and gloom about this. We all get it, Kotick is an asshole and working conditions across most developers were terrible as best. I was a full time developer for most of the early 2000s so I lived the bro culture, the death marches, and the shitty overpromise and undeliver on incentives. But if you think that suddenly COD becomes a game that isn't yearly or that people won't be 100% on COD I think you're kidding yourself. Fuck, Bungie literally bought themselves out from under Microsoft to avoid being a slave to Halo so I think we have a good idea just how much they are going to free things up for the COD teams.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Because the good things about this, are outside the deal itself. The consequences of the deal is the positive outcome, not the deal itself. People haven't realized this.
gothmog
Gold Member
That ignore button is pure bliss.
akimbo009
Gold Member
feynoob
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thismeinteil
Member
MS making Activision do the dirty work so they can keep the good guy act going.
No blowback from Tencent? I guess I imagined all those threads with people basically saying fuck China.
Also, Sony has been buying smaller studios that have mainly been making games for them, anyway, taking nothing from Xbox. And the only notable one that hasn't, Bungie, is already going to be doing their own thing and publishing to Xbox. Can't say the same thing for Zenimax and Activision games, huh?
Not that your argument is genuine, since you can use the same argument in reverse. If Sony was buying up Activision, all the Xbox fanboys would be the ones raising hell and praising these regulatory bodies trying to stop the deal, instead of acting like Sony is paying them off.
feynoob
Member
MS making Activision do the dirty work so they can keep the good guy act going.
gothmog
Gold Member
I wouldn't.Why'd you want to ignoreDeepEnigma ?
DeepEnigma
was responding to someone I have on ignore.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I read it. These games are never coming to Xbox.
Thirty7ven
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What a dumb and ignorant take, what do you base that of? Your love for Microsoft?
akimbo009
Gold Member
Are you operating as though there are no biases here in these conversations or that liking MS is "bad" ?
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ChorizoPicozo
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Another Port-begging?
Topher
Gold Member
If that is what you believe then fine. That's not what Microsoft said though.
When people said they want games on xbox they didn't mean games it was getting anyway
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DenchDeckard
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So can we get ff7 and ffxvi, silent Hill 2 on xbox?
Banjo64
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ChorizoPicozo
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Damn those responses from MS/Activision are 
Poor FTC-looking amateur.
Poor FTC-looking amateur.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Topher
Gold Member
Why are you playing dumb?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Why would Bloodborne? The game was co-developed by Sony and they own the IP. Silent Hill 2 is a timed exclusive.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Go right ahead still doesn't put the Switch in a unique monopolistic market which was the argument that FTC was making. It is far from being a platform that lacks serious games and 'high performance' is not a real market in consoles.I’m not trying to compare the 3DS to the Switch. I’m comparing it to the PS4.
MS the third place monopoly. Whatever narrative that makes people happy I suppose.
Hoeg video was linked earlier. Fantastic breakdown as usual.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Go right ahead still doesn't put the Switch in a unique monopolistic market which was the argument that FTC was making. It is far from being a platform that lacks serious games and 'high performance' is not a real market in consoles.
MS the third place monopoly. Whatever narrative that makes people happy I suppose.
Hoeg video was linked earlier. Fantastic breakdown as usual.
Thanks for the share, must've missed it before.
SenjutsuSage
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MS making Activision do the dirty work so they can keep the good guy act going.
No blowback from Tencent? I guess I imagined all those threads with people basically saying fuck China.
Also, Sony has been buying smaller studios that have mainly been making games for them, anyway, taking nothing from Xbox. And the only notable one that hasn't, Bungie, is already going to be doing their own thing and publishing to Xbox. Can't say the same thing for Zenimax and Activision games, huh?
Not that your argument is genuine, since you can use the same argument in reverse. If Sony was buying up Activision, all the Xbox fanboys would be the ones raising hell and praising these regulatory bodies trying to stop the deal, instead of acting like Sony is paying them off.
I can tell someone hasn't read the response. Microsoft is flat out stating that the FTC's complaint is so amateur in nature that it doesn't even establish fundamental baselines that are necessary under law to successfully fight the acquisition in court. Microsoft flat-out calls the entire process unconstitutional and beyond the law. Microsoft even asks to be paid for all its legal fees just for them having to waste time responding to the FTC in this way.
No mention of a relevant geographic market by which Microsoft would somehow become a gaming monopoly? No mention of any problematic share that Microsoft would acquire in the relevant markets they defined? Can't mention a harm to consumers? Can't mention a relevant product market? Know why the FTC avoids all of those things? Because then the actual numbers and breakdowns would have to come into play. The numbers don't work in its favor. This is ideology at play, not law, but in court, they go by law and real numbers.
Microsoft is challenging the very legitimacy of the FTC's current powers, and is also accusing them of violating the US constitution, separation of powers, and breaking the law, the very law that gives them any right to review mergers. Are those "nice guy" things? Or are you confusing Activision arguing in more plain speak for the public as being harsher than the kinds of arguments that will embarrass the FTC before a court?
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Topher
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I can tell someone hasn't read the response. Microsoft is flat out stating that the FTC's complaint is so amateur in nature that it doesn't even establish fundamental baselines that are necessary under law to successfully fight the acquisition in court. Microsoft flat-out calls the entire process unconstitutional and beyond the law. Microsoft even asks to be paid for all its legal fees just for them having to waste time responding to the FTC in this way.
Microsoft is challenging the very legitimacy of the FTC's current powers, and is also accusing them of violating the US constitution, separation of powers, and breaking the law, the very law that gives them any right to review mergers. Are those "nice guy" things? Or are you confusing Activision arguing in more plain speak for the public as being harsher than the kinds of arguments that will embarrass the FTC before a court?
Microsoft can make whatever statements and claims they want. Just as the FTC can. That doesn't mean a thing until a judge makes a ruling. You act like if Microsoft says it then its truth.
Silly me....of course you do.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Gold Member
And? FTC sued Nvidia with an administrative complaint as well. And this is information is ancient. We knew this the day it was filed.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
NVidia called off the ARM deal themselves. MS have, so far not made any indications to do that.
It's not the same thing.
GHG
Member
You think Nvidia gave indications they were going to call it off until they actually did?
Topher
Gold Member
No, it is equally irrelevant.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GHG
Member
Yeh heard that before prior to this deal hitting phase 2 in the UK and EU.
Ignore the parallels if it helps you sleep at night I guess.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Gold Member
Yes, not drawing a parallel between two completely unrelated cases does help me sleep better at night
That's exactly what you did though in pretending the fact that this was filed in administrative court was somehow significant.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm just sharing a relevant piece of news for the topic like many others, I did not author that article nor are those my immediate opinions
Topher
Gold Member
I'm just sharing a relevant piece of news for the topic like many others, I did not author that article nor are those my immediate opinions
It isn't any more relevant when the news broke two weeks ago than it is today. I referenced Nvidia to demonstrate that this is normal protocol.
Why are you posting other people's opinions in image format anyway?
GHG
Member
The image is from twitter, that's why.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Because the original article is paywalled and this is an excerpt of it taken from twitter.
Microsoft Gambles on ‘Nice Guy’ Strategy to Close Activision Megadeal
Federal regulators have sued to block the $69 billion acquisition, but the company has settled on a path forward and is preparing to force the issue.
Jeese man you woke up in a mood today
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Banjo64
cumsessed
This pathetically smug gloating from Xbox fanboys makes me really sad. What a lowly existence.
My suspicion is that this is the true motivation for a lot of them, a desire to take something from others.
Topher
Gold Member
Because the original article is paywalled and this is an excerpt of it taken from twitter.
Microsoft Gambles on ‘Nice Guy’ Strategy to Close Activision Megadeal
Federal regulators have sued to block the $69 billion acquisition, but the company has settled on a path forward and is preparing to force the issue.www.nytimes.com
Jeese man you woke up in a mood today
I'm just trying to figure out why this was brought up again.
That warrior mentality.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Come on now, for every coalt there's also worse actors like red dragon and others on either side.
These one, two people don't represent the fanbase.
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SenjutsuSage
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Come on now, for every coalt there's also worse actors like red dragon and others on either side.
These one, two people don't represent the fanbase.
Dogging on Dragon is like calling
Banjo64
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