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[Fabieter]

I really think they will get this deal down, but I also think ms will strongarm more and more pubs buyouts. Sony won't vanish but it will come niche eventually. I hope the people cheerleading for these acquisitions will still like the industry in 1 or 2 decades. Iam sure it wont be for me anymore.

 

[Hendrick's]

Proud of my fellow green rats.

I sent at least half of those letters.

 

[drganon]

I really think they will get this deal down, but I also think ms will strongarm more and more pubs buyouts. Sony won't vanish but it will come niche eventually. I hope the people cheerleading for these acquisitions will still like the industry in 1 or 2 decades. Iam sure it wont be for me anymore.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Regulators either need to kill the deal or make it such a pain in the ass Microsoft takes a long break ( if not permanent) from trying to monopolize the industry.

 

[Fabieter]

Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Regulators either need to kill the deal or make it such a pain in the ass Microsoft takes a long break ( if not permanent) from trying to monopolize the industry.

I hope so but they have decades of history to get this deals done even if it will absolutely harm competition. I absolutely expect ms next buyout announced a year after avb closed at the latest.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I really think they will get this deal down, but I also think ms will strongarm more and more pubs buyouts. Sony won't vanish but it will come niche eventually. I hope the people cheerleading for these acquisitions will still like the industry in 1 or 2 decades. Iam sure it wont be for me anymore.

Super mega wrong.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I need Hoegs law videos and anyone else to break this down into lamens terms but just from looking at it it seems to be a good counter argument from MS and ABK.

 

[Fabieter]

Super mega wrong.

Care to explain

1. Avb deal getting approved?
2. Ms buying more pubs?
3. Sony going to have problems to compete longterm if more and more pubs getting bought?
4. Me not liking the direction of the industry?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Care to explain

1. Avb deal getting approved?
2. Ms buying more pubs?
3. Sony going to have problems to compete longterm if more and more pubs getting bought?
4. Me not liking the direction of the industry?

This deal is going through .

The rest of your take is wrong.

 

[Fabieter]

This deal is going through .

The rest of your take is wrong.

I mean number 3 is in direct correlation to number 2 and thats my speculation sure but after buying two pubs in two years it wouldn't be hard to believe they are going for more. But if you know exactly that ms wont than I stand corrected.

 

[drganon]

I mean number 3 is in direct correlation to number 2 and thats my speculation sure but after buying two pubs in two years it wouldn't be hard to believe they are going for more. But if you know exactly that ms wont than I stand corrected.

Microsoft said themselves they weren't done buying publishers and devs ( in one of their brilliant moments of not being able to keep their mouths shut for five seconds).

 

[Fabieter]

Microsoft said themselves they weren't done buying publishers and devs ( in one of their brilliant moments of not being able to keep their mouths shut for five seconds).

Of course they will. Anyone running ms would do the same as long as politics won't stop it.

 

[Badlucktroll]

If it goes through, then i think Take-Two will be next (for GTA 6) then after that maybe Ubisoft, and EA

 

[Fabieter]

If it goes through, then i think Take-Two will be next (for GTA 6) then after that maybe Ubisoft, and EA

T2 and capcom is my guess.

 

[tusharngf]

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever​

​

• Microsoft is wrestling with three major regulators over its attempt to acquire Activision Blizzard.
• As part of the proceedings, Microsoft has revealed that Sony has set up "exclusion" deals for third-party games on PlayStation.
• It seems that Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Final Fantasy 16, and Silent Hill 2 Remake will never hit Xbox, despite the associated publishers' silence on the matter.
• Microsoft also listed From Software's Bloodborne as an example of a third-party developed game that has been blocked from non-PlayStation platforms, which could imply that the oft-requested Windows PC port is out of the question too. Sony has been friendlier towards PC in recent years, though, so I'm keeping the hopium close for this one.

Bloodborne, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever

Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[DarkMage619]

Exactly - and even consumers have to look at the 3DS and make no power distinction either. It’s fairly simple - Chibo Robo 3DS directly competes with CoD.

Try as you might bringing up the 3DS does not make the Switch any less a competitor to the Xbox and PlayStation. Nintendo themselves called it a hybrid console and its sales are tracked right along side the Xbox and PlayStation. The fact you can play it portably doesn't put it into a whole new market. It is a feature. When MS is called third place in consoles its not because Sony is being counted twice they are not THAT far ahead. There are three competing platform companies.

Let see what ABK says:

(i) Xbox lacks the ability, let alone the incentive, to foreclose its competitors from Call of Duty. The FTC's conclusory allegations to the contrary ignore all available real- world evidence, resting instead on a purely hypothetical "but for" world that has no basis in reality;
(ii) The FTC's theory assumes that a gaming platform cannot succeed without Call of Duty. The notion that a single game or franchise is the key to the continued competitive vigor of the highly dynamic video game industry is facially absurd and contradicted by the plain facts; and
(iii) The FTC's alleged relevant markets are made up for this litigation and are entirely nonsensical.

I can't say I disagree. Anyone thinking that the FTC has shown a clear knowledge of the video game industry is being just as political as they are. I get it but let's not act like they presented excellent arguments.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I mean number 3 is in direct correlation to number 2 and thats my speculation sure but after buying two pubs in two years it wouldn't be hard to believe they are going for more. But if you know exactly that ms wont than I stand corrected.

You are damn right. I already predicted the outcome of this acquisition. Ain't gonna be pretty for MS.

 

[mansoor1980]

dont bring bloodborne into this you shitheads , it is a sony IP

 

[Fabieter]

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever​

​

• Microsoft is wrestling with three major regulators over its attempt to acquire Activision Blizzard.
• As part of the proceedings, Microsoft has revealed that Sony has set up "exclusion" deals for third-party games on PlayStation.
• It seems that Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Final Fantasy 16, and Silent Hill 2 Remake will never hit Xbox, despite the associated publishers' silence on the matter.
• Microsoft also listed From Software's Bloodborne as an example of a third-party developed game that has been blocked from non-PlayStation platforms, which could imply that the oft-requested Windows PC port is out of the question too. Sony has been friendlier towards PC in recent years, though, so I'm keeping the hopium close for this one.

Bloodborne, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

http://[URL]https://www.windowscent...ocked-these-4-games-from-hitting-xbox-forever

[/URL]

Bloodborne is owned by sony. It's like saying nintendo us blocking fire emblem from hitting other consoles. It's mostly made by a second party dev too.

 

[Topher]

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever​

​

• Microsoft is wrestling with three major regulators over its attempt to acquire Activision Blizzard.
• As part of the proceedings, Microsoft has revealed that Sony has set up "exclusion" deals for third-party games on PlayStation.
• It seems that Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Final Fantasy 16, and Silent Hill 2 Remake will never hit Xbox, despite the associated publishers' silence on the matter.
• Microsoft also listed From Software's Bloodborne as an example of a third-party developed game that has been blocked from non-PlayStation platforms, which could imply that the oft-requested Windows PC port is out of the question too. Sony has been friendlier towards PC in recent years, though, so I'm keeping the hopium close for this one.

Bloodborne, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever

Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

www.windowscentral.com

Someone point to the section that says those games will never come to Xbox again?

Edit: Quoted in the article. There is no timeline given. This is a lawyer making assumptions.

"In addition to having outright exclusive content, Sony has also entered into arrangements with third-party publishers which require the “exclusion” of Xbox from the set of platforms these publishers can distribute their games on. Some prominent examples of these agreements include Final Fantasy VII Remake (Square Enix), Bloodborne (From Software), the upcoming Final Fantasy XVI (Square Enix) and the recently announced Silent Hill 2 remastered (Bloober team)."

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I can't say I disagree.

 

[DarkMage619]

 

[Banjo64]

Try as you might bringing up the 3DS does not make the Switch any less a competitor to the Xbox and PlayStation. Nintendo themselves called it a hybrid console and its sales are tracked right along side the Xbox and PlayStation. The fact you can play it portably doesn't put it into a whole new market. It is a feature. When MS is called third place in consoles its not because Sony is being counted twice they are not THAT far ahead. There are three competing platform companies.

Let see what ABK says:


I can't say I disagree. Anyone thinking that the FTC has shown a clear knowledge of the video game industry is being just as political as they are. I get it but let's not act like they presented excellent arguments.

I’m not trying to compare the 3DS to the Switch. I’m comparing it to the PS4.

 

[Badlucktroll]

When is the “If we keep call of duty on playstation, they have to put god of war on xbox” going to start?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I’m not trying to compare the 3DS to the Switch. I’m comparing it to the PS4.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Someone point to the section that says those games will never come to Xbox again?

Edit: Quoted in the article. There is no timeline given. This is a lawyer making assumptions.

"In addition to having outright exclusive content, Sony has also entered into arrangements with third-party publishers which require the “exclusion” of Xbox from the set of platforms these publishers can distribute their games on. Some prominent examples of these agreements include Final Fantasy VII Remake (Square Enix), Bloodborne (From Software), the upcoming Final Fantasy XVI (Square Enix) and the recently announced Silent Hill 2 remastered (Bloober team)."

Is this what folks call: 'Port Begging'?

 

[DenchDeckard]

I really think they will get this deal down, but I also think ms will strongarm more and more pubs buyouts. Sony won't vanish but it will come niche eventually. I hope the people cheerleading for these acquisitions will still like the industry in 1 or 2 decades. Iam sure it wont be for me anymore.

or maybe, MS gets ABK and puts it on game pass making that a great deal for us consumers and Sony carries on delivering excellent first party and third party exclusive deals that makes or playstation purchases great too?

It doesnt have to end with someone dying off into obscurity. the whole point of the anti competitive laws is to ensure we are getting the best deals possible and companies are pushed to deliver better products and services to sway our purchasing decisions.

 

[Banjo64]

Is this what folks call: 'Port Begging'?

Why are Xbox crying about DeS and Bloodborne when they commissioned Moon to make Ori for them? I can barely read Microsoft’s responses because they are full of shit,

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Why are Xbox crying about DeS and Bloodborne when they commissioned Moon to make Ori for them? I can barely read Microsoft’s responses because they are full of shit,

Now, are you port begging ori?

 

[Fabieter]

or maybe, MS gets ABK and puts it on game pass making that a great deal for us consumers and Sony carries on delivering excellent first party and third party exclusive deals that makes or playstation purchases great too?

It doesnt have to end with someone dying off into obscurity. the whole point of the anti competitive laws is to ensure we are getting the best deals possible and companies are pushed to deliver better products and services to sway our purchasing decisions.

Only selling 1p and 3p games is basically niche.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Only selling 1p and 3p games is basically niche.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Banjo64]

Now, are you port begging ori?

I just want Bloodborne on the 3DS.

 

[feynoob]

Ms buying more pubs?

After this deal, MS can't buy another big publisher.

 

[feynoob]

If it goes through, then i think Take-Two will be next (for GTA 6) then after that maybe Ubisoft, and EA

Again guys, it won't happen.

MS would be borderline monopoly if they buy another big publisher after this.

They are going to buy smaller publishers like Sega or studios, but not EA, Ubisoft or take 2.

 

[Banjo64]

After this deal, MS can't buy another big publisher.

Microsoft;

Define big

 

[adamsapple]

"A theory premised on the notion that Xbox can withhold from its competitors something they never would have had access to in the first place reeks of desperation and is destined for failure."

"The FTC's disregard for these benefits to consumers and focus on supposed harms to Xbox's deep-pocketed competitors betrays a fundamental disconnect between the FTC's theories and the antitrust laws' underlying purpose, which is to protect competition, not competitors"

Again guys, it won't happen.

MS would be borderline monopoly if they buy another big publisher after this.

They are going to buy smaller publishers like Sega or studios, but not EA, Ubisoft or take 2.

Did you just call Sega a small time publisher ?

 

[feynoob]

Microsoft;

Define big

The outcome won't be good for MS of they try it.

Possible result include splitting up the company.

They can try it though.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Did you just call Sega a small time publisher ?

Just irrelevant

 

[feynoob]

Did you just call Sega a small time publisher ?

they are.

 

[Topher]

Did you just call Sega a small time publisher ?

Did Microsoft just call Xbox's competitors "deep-pocketed"?

 

[Fabieter]

After this deal, MS can't buy another big publisher.

So small pubs like square, xapcom and sega

 

[Fabieter]

Not gonna happen.

What? That sony becomes nintendo without having games with the same power than nintendo?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Microsoft confirms that Sony has blocked these 4 games from hitting Xbox forever​

​

• Microsoft is wrestling with three major regulators over its attempt to acquire Activision Blizzard.
• As part of the proceedings, Microsoft has revealed that Sony has set up "exclusion" deals for third-party games on PlayStation.
• It seems that Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Final Fantasy 16, and Silent Hill 2 Remake will never hit Xbox, despite the associated publishers' silence on the matter.
• Microsoft also listed From Software's Bloodborne as an example of a third-party developed game that has been blocked from non-PlayStation platforms, which could imply that the oft-requested Windows PC port is out of the question too. Sony has been friendlier towards PC in recent years, though, so I'm keeping the hopium close for this one.

Bloodborne, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and more are apparently being held hostage by Sony.

http://[URL]https://www.windowscent...ocked-these-4-games-from-hitting-xbox-forever

[/URL]

Reading the other thread, idk why people are making such a big deal of this. It reads like standard timed exclusive contracts. Yeah in the case of FF7R, it seems Sony extended the exclusive window, but at the end of the day it’s just a timed exclusive deal.

I mean, someone could wrote up the same article for Stalker 2 and High on Life.

 

[feynoob]

So small pubs like square, xapcom and sega

Those can be bought, as they have less significant in the market space.

The big publishers have dominant games, which has more players and more sales compared to these small publishers.

 

[adamsapple]

edit: this response is from activision, not MS.

 

[R3claimer117]

Reading the other thread, idk why people are making such a big deal of this. It reads like standard timed exclusive contracts. Yeah in the case of FF7R, it seems Sony extended the exclusive window, but at the end of the day it’s just a timed exclusive deal.

I mean, someone could wrote up the same article for Stalker 2 and High on Life.

Lol I don’t think the point there is saying they don’t do it. The point they’re making is Sony exclusively employs this strategy of always locking their competition out of content. So why should they be looked at differently if they wanted to do the same.

 

[feynoob]

Dang. MS's response isn't mincing words calling out FTC

That is corporate for you.
The FTC rushed this process, and allowed MS to get the upper hand.

CMA as far as we know, is the only winner from this debate. Their approach is working nicely, and presented real issues from this deal.

Yet, they still allowed a fair process, and hearing from everyone.

 

[Topher]

Lol I don’t think the point there is saying they don’t do it. The point they’re making is Sony exclusively employs this strategy of always locking their competition out of content. So why should they be looked at differently if they wanted to do the same.

How does Sony "exclusively employ this strategy" when Microsoft employs the same strategy?

 

[Fabieter]

Those can be bought, as they have less significant in the market space.

The big publishers have dominant games, which has more players and more sales compared to these small publishers.

You mean games like monster hunter which sold like 25m with the last mainline games, if ms gets some of those "smaller" pubs than sony is getting niche period.

 

[feynoob]

How does Sony "exclusively employ this strategy" when you Microsoft employs the same strategy?

Past is past.
We need to focus right now.

 

[Topher]

Past is past.
We need to focus right now.

I am talking right now.