Came here to post that. Some interesting quotes:
Basically, we haven't even heard about everything they have acquired, besides the 10b they still haven't spent.
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Id take a long step back before accusing people of having limited comprehension.
CoD Mobile alone hit over $1B in revenue in 2021. You're done here, sorry.The epitome of limited comprehension:
- Showing 4 JPEGs to try to prove a point, one of which belonging to a game that wasn't even released (lol), and another to a game that wasn't mentioned in the quoted post.
Here are Activision-Blizzard's revenues from their latest annual reports:
Most of that mobile revenue is coming from King games (which are all mobile):
So no, the list of Starcraft + Warcraft + Diablo + Call of Duty franchises with an aggregated revenue of under $500M are not substantially relevant for the $70B mobile games market.
But by all means, do keep posting those JPEGs of games that didn't come out yet, as proof that Diablo is so important to the mobile games market. While claiming the others have limited comprehension.
there is a pie chart of their 7.4bn spend by division btw
They need some of those money for other business. SIE isnt their only sector. They need to be careful on how much they spend.
The epitome of limited comprehension:
- Showing 4 JPEGs to try to prove a point, one of which belonging to a game that wasn't even released (lol), and another to a game that wasn't mentioned in the quoted post.
Here are Activision-Blizzard's revenues from their latest annual reports:
Most of that mobile revenue is coming from King games (which are all mobile):
So no, the list of Starcraft + Warcraft + Diablo + Call of Duty franchises with an aggregated revenue of under $500M are not substantially relevant for the $70B mobile games market.
But by all means, do keep posting those JPEGs of games that didn't come out yet, as proof that Diablo is so important to the mobile games market. While claiming the others have limited comprehension.
I agree that Sony most likely couldn't be acquired by a foreign corporation, because they also have a deep hand in supplying various Japanese governmental organizations, research firms, medical fields etc. with equipment and supplies, not to mention their involvement in the financial market (their financing division).
Nintendo, though? I get that they dominate the Japanese non-mobile portable gaming market, and they're a huge company, but they're also purely a gaming company. IIRC, while Japan has protectionary rules for corporations involved in "key sectors" from being acquired by foreign corporations (mainly via hostile takeovers), gaming isn't one of those "key sectors" IIRC. So it would make companies like Nintendo potentially exempt and open for acquisition by a foreign corporation.
Or I could be wrong and just their sheer size even in a market like gaming would make them a special case. But for other, much smaller Japanese gaming publishers, they could definitely be acquired by foreign corporations (particularly Western ones) as long as regulations are followed and everything clears. Japan does make it a bit harder for foreign companies to do such a thing, but it's nowhere near uncommon.
That said I do think Nintendo would be a specific exemption, considering their ecosystem supports so many other publishers & developers in the region. And Sony of course are exempted because of their involvement in markets that fall under defined "key sectors". They probably couldn't even be acquired by another Japanese corporation, though they could probably enter a merger with one.
Which, push come to shove, they would most likely opt for that. At one point Matsushita was even bigger than Sony, but not anymore. Hitachi is the 2nd biggest; considering their previous work with CPUs and other semiconductor designs, they could be a viable merger off into the future.
Well if some people didn't try downplaying Activision-Blizzard's non-COD mobile output as being essentially "nothingburgers" in total revenue, or saying they had no presence on mobile at all when they factually do, then they wouldn't get responses proving them wrong
I agree that there are people who now have a fetish for acquisitions, and it's probably weird, and it's always best to just assess things based on what's happened instead of what some do in theorizing more acquisitions like a game of fantasy football.
However, if the same few people keep insisting the deal "won't go through" based on supposed evidence that amounts to nothing, have been shown multiple times why their insistence of the deal being "successfully challenged" is wrong, and continue to double-down anyway, then it's pretty clear they just simply don't want the deal to go through, probably due to very nonsensical reasons.
What the FTC is doing is a formal process; it's normal. Anyone trying to make it out as something "more than usual" to suggest the deal might get blocked are playing themselves. Investigations can always bring a deal to a pause that otherwise resumes and the acquisition goes through anyway. That just happened not long ago with Sony's acquisition of Crunchyroll; it was being investigated (as per normal), then got stopped. I'm sure Sony's people, Crunchyroll's people and the investigating body (dunno if it was the FTC or DOJ) discussed a few things, probably made some slight alterations, and then the investigation was concluded and the deal went through anyway.
Some people literally still view every Microsoft acquisition as some immoral event to be turned into a circus event at the courts, all stemming from a single event dating back decades under a way different management. Almost every reason most people gave to seriously imply the Zenimax acquisition would not pass, or are doing now to suggest similar with the Activision-Blizzard one, comes from perceptions painted from that one trail back at the turn of the century. That's their only real leverage, and it hasn't been relevant to modern-day Microsoft for over two decades.
You do realize that $500 million in revenue is absolutely not a "pittance", though, right? That's still way more than the majority of publishers on consoles see for all their releases combined in the entire year.
Even a company the size of Activision-Blizzard is always going to notice $500 million missing. There's no downplaying that.
that's the TiMi (Tencent) studio overall revenue. Not just COD MobileWhoa, whoa. Over $10 billion in revenue. Not just $1 billion.
Call of Duty: Mobile maker made $10 billion last year, becomes world's largest mobile game developer
TiMi is the studio behind the popular Call of Duty: Mobile title and it is owned by China's Tencent Games.www.indiatoday.in
Then it's cyclical. You all are just going to rinse/repeat the same thing over and over any time this topic surfaces. But that wasn't what my post was directed at — the points you are bringing up are discussions around this topic, you all can keep doing that, that's the point...ofcourse doesn't mean everyone will agree. I was questioning the need for bringing up things people may have said in the past — calling each other out as if opinions are simply static as a "gotcha" moment.Well if some people didn't try downplaying Activision-Blizzard's non-COD mobile output as being essentially "nothingburgers" in total revenue, or saying they had no presence on mobile at all when they factually do, then they wouldn't get responses proving them wrong
I agree that there are people who now have a fetish for acquisitions, and it's probably weird, and it's always best to just assess things based on what's happened instead of what some do in theorizing more acquisitions like a game of fantasy football.
However, if the same few people keep insisting the deal "won't go through" based on supposed evidence that amounts to nothing, have been shown multiple times why their insistence of the deal being "successfully challenged" is wrong, and continue to double-down anyway, then it's pretty clear they just simply don't want the deal to go through, probably due to very nonsensical reasons.
What the FTC is doing is a formal process; it's normal. Anyone trying to make it out as something "more than usual" to suggest the deal might get blocked are playing themselves. Investigations can always bring a deal to a pause that otherwise resumes and the acquisition goes through anyway. That just happened not long ago with Sony's acquisition of Crunchyroll; it was being investigated (as per normal), then got stopped. I'm sure Sony's people, Crunchyroll's people and the investigating body (dunno if it was the FTC or DOJ) discussed a few things, probably made some slight alterations, and then the investigation was concluded and the deal went through anyway.
Some people literally still view every Microsoft acquisition as some immoral event to be turned into a circus event at the courts, all stemming from a single event dating back decades under a way different management. Almost every reason most people gave to seriously imply the Zenimax acquisition would not pass, or are doing now to suggest similar with the Activision-Blizzard one, comes from perceptions painted from that one trail back at the turn of the century. That's their only real leverage, and it hasn't been relevant to modern-day Microsoft for over two decades.
Whoa, whoa. Over $10 billion in revenue. Not just $1 billion.
Call of Duty: Mobile maker made $10 billion last year, becomes world's largest mobile game developer
TiMi is the studio behind the popular Call of Duty: Mobile title and it is owned by China's Tencent Games.
Both were huge but Ocean was slightly bigger going by these lists, 96 vs 73 games:
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Well to be fair, the author of that article has no clue about the negotiations. It's riddles with maybes and possiblys and perhaps and it's hard to believe.....He is just speculating. We don't know the details of the deal. We know they were trying to work out a deal and I think we know that Bungie wanted too much money.
The Japanese forbids to sell some top Japanese companies from some strategical areas to foreigners. Inside tech, two of these companies are Sony and Nintendo. For all telcom (I think this doesn't apply for games companies, at leastt the ones who doesn't have a telcom company inside their corporation) companies the goverment must approve (doesn't forbid) any shares acquisition which means thatt a foreigner gets over 10% of the company.
The time for being realistic has passed my friend. The time of "Nukem" is upon us!
Reading the article I just saw that in the $7.4B already spent of this $17.4B budget there are deals that haven't been made public yet.
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Neither do you know how much it made in 2021 because Activision-Blizzard didn't publish their FY 2021 results yet, nor did Activision-Blizzard ever state that the game crossed $1B.
What does Nvidia and ARM have to say about this?
Square is in the bag then.Reading the article I just saw that in the $7.4B already spent of this $17.4B budget there are deals that haven't been made public yet.
Sony has $10 billion left to spend on acquisitions through 2023
Sony's latest financials confirm it has roughly $10 billion left of its total $18 billion budget to spend on strategic buyouts.
"What's interesting is that the $7.4 billion investment total also includes deals that haven't been made public yet. Sony Interactive Entertainment President Jim Ryan said more acquisitions are coming: "We should absolutely expect more. We have many more moves to make."
I bet that $7.4 billion number includes all of the Bungie $3.6 billion, in which today it seems we learned that $1.2 billion of it is a long term incentive for employees to stay. So there is a good chance that $1.2 billion is actually not part of the $17.4B allocation for acquisitions since it's a long term pay out. There's a good chance that $7.4B should actually be $6.2B. So Sony might have $11.2B left of the $17.4B, not just $10 billion.Reading the article I just saw that in the $7.4B already spent of this $17.4B budget there are deals that haven't been made public yet.
Sony has $10 billion left to spend on acquisitions through 2023
Sony's latest financials confirm it has roughly $10 billion left of its total $18 billion budget to spend on strategic buyouts.
"What's interesting is that the $7.4 billion investment total also includes deals that haven't been made public yet. Sony Interactive Entertainment President Jim Ryan said more acquisitions are coming: "We should absolutely expect more. We have many more moves to make."
I agree that Sony most likely couldn't be acquired by a foreign corporation, because they also have a deep hand in supplying various Japanese governmental organizations, research firms, medical fields etc. with equipment and supplies, not to mention their involvement in the financial market (their financing division).
Nintendo, though? I get that they dominate the Japanese non-mobile portable gaming market, and they're a huge company, but they're also purely a gaming company. IIRC, while Japan has protectionary rules for corporations involved in "key sectors" from being acquired by foreign corporations (mainly via hostile takeovers), gaming isn't one of those "key sectors" IIRC. So it would make companies like Nintendo potentially exempt and open for acquisition by a foreign corporation.
Or I could be wrong and just their sheer size even in a market like gaming would make them a special case. But for other, much smaller Japanese gaming publishers, they could definitely be acquired by foreign corporations (particularly Western ones) as long as regulations are followed and everything clears. Japan does make it a bit harder for foreign companies to do such a thing, but it's nowhere near uncommon.
That said I do think Nintendo would be a specific exemption, considering their ecosystem supports so many other publishers & developers in the region. And Sony of course are exempted because of their involvement in markets that fall under defined "key sectors". They probably couldn't even be acquired by another Japanese corporation, though they could probably enter a merger with one.
Which, push come to shove, they would most likely opt for that. At one point Matsushita was even bigger than Sony, but not anymore. Hitachi is the 2nd biggest; considering their previous work with CPUs and other semiconductor designs, they could be a viable merger off into the future.
Well if some people didn't try downplaying Activision-Blizzard's non-COD mobile output as being essentially "nothingburgers" in total revenue, or saying they had no presence on mobile at all when they factually do, then they wouldn't get responses proving them wrong
I agree that there are people who now have a fetish for acquisitions, and it's probably weird, and it's always best to just assess things based on what's happened instead of what some do in theorizing more acquisitions like a game of fantasy football.
However, if the same few people keep insisting the deal "won't go through" based on supposed evidence that amounts to nothing, have been shown multiple times why their insistence of the deal being "successfully challenged" is wrong, and continue to double-down anyway, then it's pretty clear they just simply don't want the deal to go through, probably due to very nonsensical reasons.
What the FTC is doing is a formal process; it's normal. Anyone trying to make it out as something "more than usual" to suggest the deal might get blocked are playing themselves. Investigations can always bring a deal to a pause that otherwise resumes and the acquisition goes through anyway. That just happened not long ago with Sony's acquisition of Crunchyroll; it was being investigated (as per normal), then got stopped. I'm sure Sony's people, Crunchyroll's people and the investigating body (dunno if it was the FTC or DOJ) discussed a few things, probably made some slight alterations, and then the investigation was concluded and the deal went through anyway.
Some people literally still view every Microsoft acquisition as some immoral event to be turned into a circus event at the courts, all stemming from a single event dating back decades under a way different management. Almost every reason most people gave to seriously imply the Zenimax acquisition would not pass, or are doing now to suggest similar with the Activision-Blizzard one, comes from perceptions painted from that one trail back at the turn of the century. That's their only real leverage, and it hasn't been relevant to modern-day Microsoft for over two decades.
You do realize that $500 million in revenue is absolutely not a "pittance", though, right? That's still way more than the majority of publishers on consoles see for all their releases combined in the entire year.
Even a company the size of Activision-Blizzard is always going to notice $500 million missing. There's no downplaying that.
Indeed, if they were listed we would already know about it. Since they've got another 10 billion left, they can do some cool stuff with that. No EA or TakeTwo, but Ubisoft is still possible, Capcom. A lot of potential.
Here's the list of companies protected for anyone interested
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上場企業の銘柄リスト 証券コード (Securities code),ISINコード (ISIN code),会社名（和名）,(Issue name /company name),区分 1301,JP3257200000,株式会社極洋,KYOKUYO CO.,LTD.,② 1332,JP3718800000,日本水産株式会社,Nippon Suisan Kaisha,Ltd.,③ 1333,JP3876600002,マルハニチロ株式会社,Maruha Nichiro Corporation,② 1352,JP3839400003,株式会社ホウスイ,HOHSUI CORPORATION,...docs.google.com
Gotta go hard or go home
National security risk. Tencent can buy Sony, and pose a national security threat to japan. They dont want that.
I understand the idea you mention, but I did a small research and what I found doesn't say that. It basically says that Tencent needs to do some notification/paperwork to buy it, not that the govenment will stop it.
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Bungie makes it from one game. Zenimax makes all of that from multiple games. They already said they are planning
They have literally only made 2 games since 2001, Halo and MMO lite Halo (Destiny)
SA PIF have been hard on investing these following years. They bought New Castle united from the premier league.
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