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Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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Dargor
Member
Cuz that makes no sense. Why would Sony pay for that? Everyone knows that its coming for other platforms. Why would they waste money to try and make it seem like an exclusive when its obviously not?
FlutterPuffs
Member
On that I dont actually mind ROTR was coming to the Xbox One first. Thought that it would be great for the visuals if they could first work on the Xbox One version, and then put time on the PS4 after. A win-win for me.
....and I actually ended up disliking the game after I bought it for the PS4.
....and I actually ended up disliking the game after I bought it for the PS4.
LordBaztion
Member
I dont get Nioh the very first trailer made it clear, then they announced they will publish it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WbGtCICvI
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1306715
You know, there's a big difference between PC x86 (as architecture), OS and API.
And they didn't specify what they meant by "PC". Just because they mentioned PC, that doesn't mean that engine can run on Windows.
paragonpro
Banned
More people own ps4's, thats why you see way less of a backlash when something is timed exclusive for playstation. Nintendo got taken to task for bayo 2 iirc even though that ended up a full 1st party exclusive
The trailer with the steam logo was rendered after the trailer with only the PS4 logo. You can bet that the date is real.
Then, once again, why did they just announced the release date for DQ Heroes II on Steam? Shouldn't they be trying to maximise the console preorders like you said? Again, that makes no sense. And obviously Sony is treating Nier Automata less as "NiEr sequel" and more " game developed by developer highly appreciated and loved by the core gamer".
is was announced on stage Exclusive to VR, not ps4
And I'm sure Dead Rising is moneyhatted by Microsoft.
the_lizard
Member
What's RotR?
rise of the tomb raider
FlutterPuffs
Member
Rise of The Tomb Raider
Considering how many people I've seen that are going for the Ps4 version of NiEr because they have no idea when the PC version released, it seems quite obvious why they would do it.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I'm a dream world we all would be playing on the SwitchBoxstation "the all in one entertainment system on the go for the players"
Nonono PlayStationSwitchBox
Nonono PlayStationSwitchBox
I think it's clear on KT'S side, but Sony's messaging with Nioh can be conflicting, marketing has called it a console exclusive before.
I don't think that was is particularly bad, it's just confusing, especially for a game their publishing.
Its not. As far as I know, Sony helped fund that game from the ground up. Yes, it would have come out eventually, but Sony helped get the ball rolling from my understanding.
Whereas I understand the Tomb Raider exclusivity came about behind the scenes at an E3 after Tomb Raider development was well underway and shown at that E3. I believe this was the reasoning behind all the contradictory messaging at the time because shit was still being ironed out.
I could be wrong, but I remember this being the case at one time. Havent seen anything else mentioned about it since.
plasmawave
Banned
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015...ty-backlash-and-whole-lot-more-ign-interview/
I'm pretty sure this is also the reason why FF14 is not on the Xbox.
The Artisan
Member
it does sound kind of dumb when you think about it but it's the only way to convey that "this is the only console this game is available on"
also, crash is a timed exclusive? that's news to me, where was that confirmed? there was a thread yesterday about playstation ireland just saying it was an exclusive
the_lizard
Member
Oh. Thanks. Wish people weren't so cavalier with acronyms like that, definitely makes discussions less accessible.
Carry on!
but why wouldn't they do that with DQ heroes too?
Knowing that all the development is done on Windows, what other PC OSes are they going to support on their engines?
gundamkyoukai
Member
Dude Neir is niche game
You think Sony give a fuck about Neir when they going to be marketing the hell out of HZD .
Well because for example when presenting their games they clearly state them as exclusives whether it's presented by a dev or an exec so in a case where they have gotten a timed exclusive which is a good thing from a marketing point of view so one would expect the deal maker to be the one to state their deal. Like in the case with ROTTR where even the dev/publisher were obfuscating the deal they had and only after multiple statements and interviews did the deal maker(MS) come out and state their deal.
You mean the game that is a sequel to one that bombed hard in recent times, and it's not being developed by a highly loved developer like Platinum? NiEr Automata has that niche cult status, DQ Heroes doesn't.
Sony has made deals with niche games before, do you think they stopped randomly all of the sudden? Do you have no idea how business works? Sony obviously wants to paint the Ps4 as the place where to play the hardcore and niche games too. Assuming they don't care about niche games because they have blockbusters is pretty dumb and makes no sense.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Can we talk about that kh2.8 and kh 1.5+2.5 moneyhat tho for a sec
Yup that's how I read it came about which is why it's only some people that are still upset by it.
Yup Which is why I don't get the people saying Sony is against it since they have had it in multiple games when It was MS that had blocked cross platform play for many years before that and only very recently changed their tune about it.
The Artisan
Member
this is something i don't really understand. all of these kingdom heart remasters are exclusive, i'm pretty sure SE just chose to make them exclusive...if sony moneyhatted them why the hell wouldn't they money hat kh3?
so the thing is, if kh3 is multiplatform why aren't the remasters? this is the first and perhaps only kingdom hearts game on xbox so if they aren't going to port the remasters there they are only dooming the xbone version of kh3 further
that's not how it works.
you need a devkit, without that it's pointless
Not to run the Windows build where most of the work is done for.
I mean, do you really think that the whole development and debugging process is made around a closed hardware? That's not how it works.
Remember KH3 and FF15 was announced at the beginning of the gen.
I think SE announced KH3 on Xbox way too early and now wish they hadn't. They are seem to be trying to get everyone to forget it.
Edit:Their other RPGs haven't done so well on Xbox.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Don't care enough to make SE not talk about the PC version .
In fact Sony don't seem to care if the games go on PC .
That reason was lifted once MS announced their plans with opening up their cross-play requirement outside windows store. It's not there now because of other things with their cross platform policies -
In terms of Sony and Cross-play I think given the the time that has passed it likely safe to say they are ok with PC/PS cross-play but not console/PS cross-play.
They certainly didn't care about Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
The Artisan
Member
i get that, but the thing is it's too late, they're not gonna cancel the xbone version of KH3 so they should own up to their decision and port the remasters to xbone too. in my opinion, anyways. otherwise this shit doesn't make sense.
they're just making it look like playstation is the platform to play kingdom hearts
KH3 was them thinking with their heart.
KH2.8, 1.5, and 2.5 was with their braining.
I'm curious what their expectations are on Xbox One for KH3.
if it was so easy
phantasmic_glaive
Member
Maybe it's just me but, why does Sony have to be responsible for announcing ALL versions of a game and not just theirs? It is a ball of confusion, even for them I think.
Equanimity
Member
Yeah I agree with you.
What do the press notes say?
There's a lot more weight in it being a PlayStation exclusive:
What should I check about Helldivers?
The same trick MS used for ROTTR and got a big backslash. Which is fair, because its misleading makrketing in both cases.
It is. They opened their mouths before seeing their other RPGs bomb on Xbox. Now they are still gonna follow through on KH3 and FFXV but that seems to be it. I don't think they care how KH3 does on Xbox at this point
They sure seem to care, considering the current situation. Unless you think SE, again, just pulls decisions about games out of a hat.
"How will we deal with NiEr PC version?"
"*Pulls suggestion out of hat, it reads "be extremely secretive about it for several months in a extremely specific manner*"
"How will we deal with DQ Heroes II PC version"
" *Pulls suggestion out of hat, says to be clear about the release date directly months before it releases"
Yeah makes sense.
The Artisan
Member
kh 2.8, 1.5 and 2.5 should be an extension of thinking with their heart since they already made their first and more important decision with that, if you know what i mean.
Equanimity
Member
I understand what you're saying.
I can't think of any other game except Nier Automata that was falsely called a PlayStation exclusive.
graywolf323
Member
what? The problem Microsoft had was they did say stuff which was proven to be false
they obviously care enough to put a muzzle on anyone who wants to talk about the pc version
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