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Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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gundamkyoukai
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We don't even know if there going to be a PC version still.
You do know that things can change with the amount of time this game has left .
The game did not even have a engine when it was announce and now Kojima is using GG engine which is PS4 only .
Where is Kojima going to get tens of millions of dollars from to make the game.
He could have choose any 3rd party but he went with Sony.
Mr Moose
Member
Trash Bandicoot PlayStation 4 exclusive, confirmed.
Sony engines also work on PC.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yeah i hear Mads Mikkelsen and Norman Reedus work for peanuts every independent studio hires them...
PeskyToaster
Member
I would have loved that. Wouldn't have bought an Xbox and my friends would probably play it with me.
yurinka
Member
Sony had some mistake like in that video with the labels (or in this Twitter account with Crash, that they rectified), but they were the first and only ones to separate between "PS4 exclusive"(when only releaded there, mostly 1st party), "PS exclusive" (PS3+PS4, PS4+Vita, PS3+PS4+Vita), "Console exclusive" (PS4+PC), "First on PS / Console debut" (temporal exclusive, at least in consoles).
Other than that, some games are announced for PS or Xbox first (traditionally without mentioning "exclusive"), and after some time they are announced for more platforms where they are released the same day or months after. Mostly because they had a marketing deal with the first party. Some mention "exclusive", and it's true during a certain amount of time, but they should have said "temporal exclusive" or "first on" (case of Crash Trilogy tweet or Below).
Other than that, some games are announced for PS or Xbox first (traditionally without mentioning "exclusive"), and after some time they are announced for more platforms where they are released the same day or months after. Mostly because they had a marketing deal with the first party. Some mention "exclusive", and it's true during a certain amount of time, but they should have said "temporal exclusive" or "first on" (case of Crash Trilogy tweet or Below).
He's played GTA before, he'll be fine getting the money.
The one where they got paid from MS to do it? Yes, thanks for proving my point I guess.
Funny how they just announced Dragon Quest Heroes 2 for Steam and are using the logo on marketing materials just fine now. Anyone wanna explain why they are treating DQ Heroes II differently? Do they just randomly pull reasons out of a hat?
FlutterPuffs
Member
What? No.
There's precedence that Square Enix has fucked up PC releases in the past. Many here have explained that, and that's why I'm leaving my thoughts open, even though it's very much slanting to another one of SE's clusterfuck marketing.
You are adamant that this is a moneyhat, and giving the Trump-Russia situation analogy which frankly, is fucking nuts.
Dargor
Member
The ones that accepted a deal for 6 months of timed exclusivity, fucked up, then offered 6 more months so they could talk about it lol.
They aren't a good example for good business deals nor decision making.
gundamkyoukai
Member
GG Decima engine is not a multiplatform engine.
It is a PS4 only engine.
Of course that could change now that Kojima using it .
Still for now it's a PS4 only engine .
Equanimity
Member
Yeah those clearly state PlayStation exclusivity. I can understand why Ni No Kuni 2 was annouced as a PS exclusive back in 2015 but Nier is a different story.
While Death Stranding might not release on PC anymore, the Decima Engine is not PS4 only and actively targets PC development too.
It's not.
And now they accepted a shitty deal that probably will lose them more PC sales than the money they got from Sony. Thanks for proving my point again.
I'm clearly talking from a consumer perspective. Leave out the business part of things and it's objectively bad to consumers to not have a choice in platform.
Reality is far more complicated than that and you're absolutely correct that Zelda is going to be a major draw to the Switch. Just sucks that people can't choose how and where they want to game.
PS4 only engine ? What the heck are you talking about.
And that trailer was promptly removed from the press site and replaced with one with no mention of Steam. Obviously it's just Square mysteriously making a trailer about a week ago with the steam release date on it even though is fake because they're incompetent and how dare people criticize Sony on that kind of business practice.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Well... it can. Part of the reason why Sony chooses the x86 architecture is because it would be easier to port games. In theory they can make the GG engine work on the PC.
I agree that it could most probably be a PS4 exclusive now though, if Sony pumps more money into the project. We all know the execs there are Kojima fanboys anyway.
No, I mean, Guerrilla Engines also work on PC, literally.
"Killzone: Mercenary is built on top of the Killzone 3 codebase and, at a structural level, much of the framework is identical," he tells us. "Out of the box, the engine supports multiple build targets - PlayStation 3 and PC - so extending to a third platform was relatively painless. Relatively. It's been a long and evolutionary process to get from first drop of the source to finished game.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-killzone-mercenary
Nowadays it doesn't make sense to make an engine exclusively around a closed hardware.
Dargor
Member
I don't get it, why are you so adamant there is a deal? If there was, I'm sure Sony would have said something when they announced it for other platforms when Sony paid for them not to.
AHA-Lambda
Member
If anything the crash situation has proved Sony's silence means nothing.
I'm sure it'll still come.
Just like MS shouldn't have with RotTR then?
Papacheeks
Banned
Was it? I didn't know this is news to me thanks for the heads up.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yeah they could always make it work on PC but for now It's a engine for PS4 games.
KimonoNoNo
Member
But they pointedly stopped doing that at last year's PSX (coincidently that was when SE removed all mention of Nier's PC version from promotional trailers and website).
Papacheeks
Banned
Are you talking about this trailer that is on youtube and hasn't changed?
Still shows march 10th at the end for steam release?
I'm confused now?
Edit: never-mind, i watched the trailer not on Square's official channel, the one on square's channel has had the steam date removed.
Lister
Banned
Don't be silly. It's only when it's not their favorite piece of plastic branded by a mega corporation that does it that it's a problem.
Keeping it out of marketing is different from not letting them announce a version at all.
Again, explain to me why they just announced very clearly that DQ Heroes II releases at the same exact date than the Ps4 version and now use the logo in the marketing materials? Why are they being more clear with a April release than a early March release if there is no moneyhat for the marketing?
Sony really has absolutely no reason to be verbal about whether or not games are coming to other platforms. Like noooooone. That's the publisher's job, and if Sony is the publisher... If you're hoping for a port then, you're probably one of these people who are still crowing for a PC version of Bloodborne.
As for dubious PC version launches, hell, you don't need Sony to be involved for that to happen. I'm pretty sure Sony didn't do shit to the GTAV PC release and that took what, a smooch under a year?
Day-and-date PC releases for multiplat games are for devs who take the PC platform super seriously and have experience with it, and basically no one else.
As for dubious PC version launches, hell, you don't need Sony to be involved for that to happen. I'm pretty sure Sony didn't do shit to the GTAV PC release and that took what, a smooch under a year?
Day-and-date PC releases for multiplat games are for devs who take the PC platform super seriously and have experience with it, and basically no one else.
Dargor
Member
You should have added a SonyGaf there lol
Equanimity
Member
Yeah I don't think Death Stranding will come out on anything except PlayStation:
Here are 4 reasons:
- Publisher: Sony Interactive Entertainment
- Game Engine: Decima - Guerrilla Games
- Trademark holder: Sony Interactive Entertainment
- FAQ mentioning a PC release deleted after partnership
Everything points towards a full excluisve.
Was SFV going to come out at all without sony money?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Are we implying that Sony money hatted a sequel to a game that bombed on their platform more so than we are implying that maybe just maybe Square likes to maximize pre orders on consoles before a pc release.
Ghost Slayer
Member
How many alt accounts do you have?
Yes but not in the same time frame
Also, Crash ain't exclusive? wut
PC Crash port would be quite nice
Do you really think that a new iteration of a franchise that sells millions needed Sony money to exist?
Yeap, only brought the release date forward.
MaxwellParrish
Member
Maybe because that release date is no longer valid? Why don't you think that is possible that SE initially planned simultaneous release on PS4 and Steam and have later found out technical problems that made they change their plans? If they still hadn't decided a definitive date of publication what do you expect them to say else of "we are working on it"
SEGAvangelist
Member
Are they? Diablo 3 had timed announcement exclusivity and it looks like Ace Combat too. This is pretty deceptive.
plasmawave
Banned
I thought that was because they wanted to have a one big community and at the time MS didn't allow crossplay between other machines.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Yea, but what if you're on the other side and only own an Xbox?
While it's good business to stay quiet about exclusivity, this is not all that consumer friendly, and Sony needs to be taken to task for it. They have good will from me this gen... Don't start pulling shady shit, because then my good will may start fading away...
Everything but the fact that they have never said it is going to be full exclusive and they themselves call It console exclusive on press notes.
gundamkyoukai
Member
FlutterPuffs
Member
Well yes, I'm with you. Still what matters is the contract with Hideo. If he insisted on a PC release, he could still make that work.
But I would say it's a very, very, VERY slim chance now.
I don't think so? Cross-play was in RL when it released anyway, or soon after.
We all know the cross-play situation now anyway.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Can't be worse than lying like MS with RoTR exclusivity
Check something called Helldivers on Steam.
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