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[element]

So looking at the Xbox 360 board layout and airflow, as well as various computers on the market today, I am just baffled how Sony and Nintendo are going to fit their hardware into the form factors they have shown to the public.

PS3 appears to have some serious airflow issues from the form factor that has been shown, and the revolution just seems almost impossible to fit what rumors are floating around for hardware. Hell it isn't much larger then my portable USB HDD.

 

[Amir0x]

Fucking magic, and a fuckton of vents. I'm pretty sure Xbox360 doesn't have magic on its side, though.

 

[Triumph]

Nintendo is going to use the souls of newborn kittens and baby harp seals to power the Revolution. This is KNOWN.

 

[elostyle]

1) More time, maybe different processes.
2) Heatsink on the gpu is pretty tiny, the one on the cpu is huge. Why they felt the need to go with 3 3 ghz cpu cores when apple has to go to extreme measures cooling 2 2.5 ghz G5 cpus is beyond me.
3) Historical evidence: Gamecube vs. XBox.
4) There are some really friggin fast laptops out there with 7800 gpus in them.

can't think of more

 

[argon]

Nintendo's power supply will be bigger than the PS3.

 

[Gek54]

You still question the Japanese' ability to cram things into small places?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Sony will probably add more vents in PS3, they already made one minor change at Playstation Party (I think the surface in now less curvy)

 

[..pakbeka..]

duh, they're japanese companies

japanese people sure know how to make things smaller

 

[element]

There are some really friggin fast laptops out there with 7800 gpus in them

Those are 7800 Go chipset, not 7800 GTS or GS. Far different performance.

duh, because they're japanese companies

japanese people sure know how to make things smaller and better

And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?

Heatsink on the gpu is pretty tiny, the one on the cpu is huge. Why they felt the need to go with 3 3 ghz cpu cores when apple has to go to extreme measures cooling 2 2.5 ghz G5 cpus is beyond me.

Both Sony, Nintendo, and MS are getting CPUs based on similar core systems. So what we get with Xbox 360 in terms of heat is what should be expected with PS3 and Revolution, unless either go to 65mm or Revolution has slower CPU.

 

[M3wThr33]

Those are 7800 Go chipset, not 7800 GTS or GS. Far different performance.
And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?

Well, I'm sure they consulted those same minds for the off-the-shelf parts of the original clunker.

 

[Izzy]

So looking at the Xbox 360 board layout and airflow, as well as various computers on the market today, I am just baffled how Sony and Nintendo are going to fit their hardware into the form factors they have shown to the public.

PS3 appears to have some serious airflow issues from the form factor that has been shown, and the revolution just seems almost impossible to fit what rumors are floating around for hardware. Hell it isn't much larger then my portable USB HDD.

They will cut the specs until they fit the projected 'form factors'.

 

[cvxfreak]

And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?

They certainly didn't with the original.

 

[stone128]

Nintendo will pull it off, they always produce reliable hardware.

Going by the two iterations we've had of the ps brand, Sony'll do pretty good too. Might be some stubborn first batch consoles, but nothing too bad

 

[goomba]

3) Historical evidence: Gamecube vs. XBox.

QFT

 

[element]

They certainly didn't with the original.

no one is denying that. MS went with a cheap and easy solution with the hardware with Xbox. With Xbox 360 they have far different possiblities, just for the fact that they own the IP on both the CPU and GPU opens up tons of doors in terms of manufacturing costs.

 

[jman2050]

Those are 7800 Go chipset, not 7800 GTS or GS. Far different performance.
And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?
Both Sony, Nintendo, and MS are getting CPUs based on similar core systems. So what we get with Xbox 360 in terms of heat is what should be expected with PS3 and Revolution, unless either go to 65mm or Revolution has slower CPU.

I'm almost positive MS wasn't aiming for 'smallest' nearly as much as they were aiming for 'sleekest' or 'coolest'. The fact that they failed on all 3 accounts notwithstanding, the size of the Xbox360 doesn't really neccesitate Sony and Nintendo having to scale back to fit their supposed formfactors.

 

[elostyle]

Those are 7800 Go chipset, not 7800 GTS or GS. Far different performance.
And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?
Both Sony, Nintendo, and MS are getting CPUs based on similar core systems. So what we get with Xbox 360 in terms of heat is what should be expected with PS3 and Revolution, unless either go to 65mm or Revolution has slower CPU.

I think the rev's cpu will be slower and have at least one less core. I think this will make quite a difference.

As for the gpu, maybe they make it broader but clock it slower? I don't know what difference in heat that would make though.

 

[GaimeGuy]

If you look at the GC, the top loading drive and the serial ports on the bottom of the system take up about halfof the actual shell. the Rev isn't really that much smaller than what's left.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I think the rev's cpu will be slower and have at least one less core. I think this will make quite a difference.

As for the gpu, maybe they make it broader but clock it slower? I don't know what difference in heat that would make though.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rev has more RAM.

 

[cvxfreak]

I wonder why Nintendo never released a redesign for the GC. Certainly would have helped sell a few extra systems. The PStwo makes it lose perhaps the only advantage it had.

 

[Rlan]

Look at the PStwo. Bloody small, and the Revolution is, what, twice as tall? Hell, the original PS2 is fillled with a LOT of AIR. Same with the PSX. Not having a top loading OR side opening drive will make the whole thing have less gears too.

 

[..pakbeka..]

And you think MS didn't hire or at least consult some of the best electronic-engineering minds in the world with Xbox 360?

judgiing from what I heard here and on other forums....
no, doesn't look like they paid much attention

 

[Shompola]

If you look at the GC, the top loading drive and the serial ports on the bottom of the system take up about halfof the actual shell. the Rev isn't really that much smaller than what's left.

The HDD and dvd drives on the xbox are taking up a huge chunk aswell.

And adding more vents to the PS3 is not going to help if a lot of people fail to understand that the consoles need some space around them to ventilate properly.

 

[No6]

3) Historical evidence: Gamecube vs. XBox.

Meaningless. The xbox was rushed into production using off the shelf parts and had an internal hdd and PSU. The 360 was not and does not.

 

[Sweedishrodeo]

Was a thread for this really needed? Theres no real answer to that ....

 

[Mihail]

Well Nintendo said the Rev. will be about the size of 3 DVDs and DVDs can hold A LOT i dont know if youve noticed.

 

[FitzOfRage]

I wonder why Nintendo never released a redesign for the GC. Certainly would have helped sell a few extra systems. The PStwo makes it lose perhaps the only advantage it had.

Well I think part of it is the realization that it probably wouldn't nearly enough to make it worth the effort, at least not in and of itself (a redesign as part of an overall push with a much rejuvenated software lineup would have been different). And of course part of it probably has to do with the fact that the name is tied to the shape.

 

[..pakbeka..]

Well Nintendo said the Rev. will be about the size of 3 DVDs and DVDs can hold A LOT i dont know if youve noticed.

quoted in case someone doesn't see it
:lol

 

[Oblivion]

I wonder why Nintendo never released a redesign for the GC. Certainly would have helped sell a few extra systems. The PStwo makes it lose perhaps the only advantage it had.

I thought of this as well, but thenI realized it would kinda cause problems if the Gamecube was rectangular.

 

[monkeyrun]

Meaningless. The xbox was rushed into production using off the shelf parts and had an internal hdd and PSU. The 360 was not and does not.

360 looks kinda rushed to me ... seriously ..

 

[Sweedishrodeo]

360 looks kinda rushed to me ... seriously ..

Xbox360 was obviously rushed! They forgot the handle!!!

he he

 

[WindyMan]

Nintendo's power supply will be bigger than the PS3.

The more power you need to pump into a piece of hardware, the louder it's going to be, more than likely. The Xbox 360 doesn't have a double-sized brick powering the hardware for nothing. The PS3 is probably going to suck up more power than the 360 will, so the PS will be larger.

The Revolution is going to be the smallest and most quiet of all the systems. I wouldn't be shocked if the power supply was just a big fat plug like the NES or SNES, or probably just the same or similar PS as the GameCube.

I think we all take for granted how small the GameCube is for how much stuff Nintendo crammed in there. I don't think any of us will appriciate how powerful the Revolution is going to be for its size until we actually take it home and start playing with it.

 

[DarienA]

Element this was pretty subtle for you... I'm impressed. Considering the PS3 is larger than the PS2, that's a pretty big USB drive you have... much larger than mine apparently...

 

[shpankey]

Well, there's a reason why Nintendo isn't releasing their specs. If they are going to fit all thier stuff in that tiny little case, and considering power and heat requirements of current technology... to be frank, the Revolution isn't going to be nearly as powerful as 360 or PS3. It's just that simple. There is no magic technology out there that overcomes the heat issue.

As for PS3, I fear for when we see it's power supply... that thing will be insane!

 

[Oblivion]

Well, there's a reason why Nintendo isn't releasing their specs. If they are going to fit all thier stuff in that tiny little case, and considering power and heat requirements.. to be frank, the Revolution isn't going to be nearly as powerful as 360 or PS3. It's just that simple. There is no magic technology out there that overcomes the heat issue.

Who cares. After seeing Mario Kart GP, and knowing that it's on GC hardware with more RAM, I would be more than satisfied seeing what they could do with a faster CPU and more powerful GPU on the Rev.

 

[shpankey]

Who cares. After seeing Mario Kart GP, and knowing that it's on GC hardware with more RAM, I would be more than satisfied seeing what they could do with a faster CPU and more powerful GPU on the Rev.

I wasn't discussing the merits of more powerful technology. I was answering the question this thread posed. Having said that, knowing Nintendo fans like yourself, I'm well aware how willingly you will buy anything from Nintendo, carte blanche.

 

[DarienA]

Well, there's a reason why Nintendo isn't releasing their specs. If they are going to fit all thier stuff in that tiny little case, and considering power and heat requirements of current technology... to be frank, the Revolution isn't going to be nearly as powerful as 360 or PS3. It's just that simple. There is no magic technology out there that overcomes the heat issue.

As for PS3, I fear for when we see it's power supply... that thing will be insane!

If the X360's power supply is any reference, those photoshop'd images of the PSP come back to mind... you may need a whole extra room just for the PS3 power supply... please place in separate room, preferrably with a fan pointed directly at supply....

 

[shpankey]

:lol

 

[Leonsito]

The Revolution Power Supply will be like this:

The Revolution box we have seen it's only the dvd reader, and the cable is an IDE, not the power supply.

 

[qirex]

As for PS3, I fear for when we see it's power supply... that thing will be insane!

They showed it with a 3-prong jack on the back which would mean internal power supply:
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=one4ts.jpg

Of course there isn't much of anything inside those, they're just mockup shells but it shows they're at least going to try.

 

[shpankey]

That would be the miracles or miracles.

 

[elostyle]

Meaningless. The xbox was rushed into production using off the shelf parts and had an internal hdd and PSU. The 360 was not and does not.

It was not rushed into production? Anyways, if you take out that bulky dvd drive in there, the x360 has a lot of air in it too.

 

[elostyle]

Was a thread for this really needed? Theres no real answer to that ....

There isn't but it's a nice topic to speculate about. This still is a discussion board and not just a news bulletin board, right?

 

[Drinky Crow]

Drinky Crow gives this thread 3 out of 5 meebles

 

[MassiveAttack]

Sony will probably add more vents in PS3, they already made one minor change at Playstation Party (I think the surface in now less curvy)

The slight change in form factor from E3 to the PS Party was suggested but is there any photographic evidence? I haven't seen any close-up shots of the unit at the PS Party to ascertain this for sure.

 

[Burger]

If you have taken apart a PS2 and a Xbox the answer is obvious.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

The slight change in form factor from E3 to the PS Party was suggested but is there any photographic evidence? I haven't seen any close-up shots of the unit at the PS Party to ascertain this for sure.

I can't find the pictuers.

 

[koam]

Microsoft is an American and they follow the "bigger is better" mindset. They don't give a shit how big things are *cough* PSU *cough*.

Sony and Nintendo are Japanese and they believe in "it's not the size that matters". They will make things small.

 

[HokieJoe]

They certainly didn't with the original.

:lol

Yeah and look, they still gained 20% market share.

 

[DCharlie]

I'd be more worried about the revolution than anything
The PS3 struck me as being big at TGS (and they could still move the psu outside the unit if need be)