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Only the usual suspects suggest that gamepass is bad.. I don't think it is that bad as some try to make it
Only the usual suspects suggest that gamepass is bad.. I don't think it is that bad as some try to make it
I meant the fact that big part of these players just started their gamepass for 2$ to play this game.Only the usual suspects suggest that gamepass is bad.
Fanboys.
Lucky you also don't run the Xbox division.
And that's relevant how? There is no question that Microsoft used gears to try and reel in new users, 3million seems like a great first start. Now they'll have to figure out how to keep those players subscribing.I meant the fact that big part of these players just started their gamepass for 2$ to play this game.
Thinking a company is infallible, is the mark of a fanboy.
And that's relevant how? There is no question that Microsoft used gears to try and reel in new users, 3million seems like a great first start. Now they'll have to figure out how to keep those players subscribing.
Gamepass thus far from a consumer point of view has been very good.
barring the horrible fact that gamepass for pc still uses the terribad Windows store as the back-end
This is an interesting take. So you are suggesting that because you think the business model is not sustainable then there is some kind of risk (albeit less) to customers subscribing? What exactly are customers going to lose if in a couple of years MS decide GP is not sustainable and shut it down?I would think anyone heavily invested in the product/service. Who would buy games from Steam, if word got out Valve was losing a billion a year on the service? Sustainability should be very important depending on what you are buying, of course, a rental service like Game Pass or say Netflix does less harm... as all they are is a rental service. Doubt many people cried when Blockbusters and Family Videos started closing though.
I think it depends on what it is, as to importance of whether the company is making money on the product/service. I mean people buying shitty Teslas right now are betting that the company doesn't go under and their warranty doesn't go with it, if it enters bk.
It was going to hit 3 mil regardless. I know I would have bought it if I didn’t already have Gamepass.
We don’t know the spilt between Gamepass and retail. Once NPD comes out we can discuss this further.
Until then this is all conjecture and you are assuming the worst, when Ms told everyone to get Gamepass to play it early.
Let's let the accountants in charge of the company worth more than any other in world decide what's good and bad for business sha'll we. They've built a trillion dollar company on subscription services, they continue to outgrow any analysts predictions every quarter. They know what they're doing to get gamepass running at a profit.
This is an interesting take. So you are suggesting that because you think the business model is not sustainable then there is some kind of risk (albeit less) to customers subscribing? What exactly are customers going to lose if in a couple of years MS decide GP is not sustainable and shut it down?
Gamepass is a good deal. Get as many people as you possibly can to play the game. Then flooded with microtransactions. That's how you make money, good job MS. Another thing gamepass does is make average to below-average games much more enjoyable when you don't have to pay $60 for them.
XboxGAF: GP is going to the biggest thing going forward. More companies are taking note and they will soon follow MS lead. This is the Netflix of gaming.
Me: We dont know how well its doing. This is a risky move and they clould lose a lot of money. A high player count doesnt mean its successful.
XboxGAF: You're jealous Sony has nothing similar to offer. Why are you worried about how they make money.
See, this is the stuff you have to put up with. Can't even be a bit skeptical how this will work out in the long run.
You guys complain about everything.. My god.
Selling a quarter of your previous game is a SUCCESS!!!
XboxGAF: GP is going to the biggest thing going forward. More companies are taking note and they will soon follow MS lead. This is the Netflix of gaming.
Me: We dont know how well its doing. This is a risky move and they clould lose a lot of money. A high player count doesnt mean its successful.
XboxGAF: You're jealous Sony has nothing similar to offer. Why are you worried about how they make money.
See, this is the stuff you have to put up with. Can't even be a bit skeptical how this will work out in the long run.
You guys complain about everything.. My god.
Running at a profit? Tell us how much money they're making.
I personally don’t know a person with an Xbox without it now
Where did I say right now they’re making money? Am I misreading my own message? because I never said that.
At the start the millions of subscriptions didn’t make them money for Office either but now it’s making absolute bank for the company.
I really don’t know what’s so hard to understand, you entice customers at low rates $1 or free (like Netflix) then start to make that money back the moment that trial period is over.
But we just sign up for one month then cancel haha! Oh, new game we make a new Xbox account to get another month free haha! This is what dilussional people actually believe is happening when in truth the far majority of people stay on after a month it offers way to much value not to, you couldn’t find one person say $10 a month isn’t amazing value for what is on offer you just need the fence sitters through the door to realise that.
They have a several million subscriptions at the moment, we have no idea how many just it’s in the millions. You start attaching the service to gold which they’ve done, you want as much penetration as you can get on the small market you hold and hope the launch for next gen goes smoothly compared to last. You get to the moment you have 10 million subscribers paying $10 a month, then 20 million when you reach half your install base. Then you throw in cosmetic DLC that younger people eat up and you start to see continual constant revenue that companies love.
If Sony could launch this service tomorrow with a guarantee $10 a month from half their install base for 1 AAA game a year and a few AA they would in a heartbeat. Subscription services work so much better for a company when the numbers get high enough and every one chips in their tiny part with millions of others who wouldn’t of bought the games releasing at full retail anyway.
I personally don’t know a person with an Xbox without it now, no I’m not saying the uptake is that big but it’s gaining. And that’s all they need to do, keep gaining members and in the long run the returns will outweigh any game sales.
Agreed. This is why I put a 2 month reminder on my phone to cancel my sub. Never again...I had a sub for Crunchyroll for three years not knowing I was subscribed.
And how hard is that when you have three or four times as many players?
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Where did I say right now they’re making money? Am I misreading my own message? because I never said that.
At the start the millions of subscriptions didn’t make them money for Office either but now it’s making absolute bank for the company.
I really don’t know what’s so hard to understand, you entice customers at low rates $1 or free (like Netflix) then start to make that money back the moment that trial period is over.
But we just sign up for one month then cancel haha! Oh, new game we make a new Xbox account to get another month free haha! This is what dilussional people actually believe is happening when in truth the far majority of people stay on after a month it offers way to much value not to, you couldn’t find one person say $10 a month isn’t amazing value for what is on offer you just need the fence sitters through the door to realise that.
They have a several million subscriptions at the moment, we have no idea how many just it’s in the millions. You start attaching the service to gold which they’ve done, you want as much penetration as you can get on the small market you hold and hope the launch for next gen goes smoothly compared to last. You get to the moment you have 10 million subscribers paying $10 a month, then 20 million when you reach half your install base. Then you throw in cosmetic DLC that younger people eat up and you start to see continual constant revenue that companies love.
If Sony could launch this service tomorrow with a guarantee $10 a month from half their install base for 1 AAA game a year and a few AA they would in a heartbeat. Subscription services work so much better for a company when the numbers get high enough and every one chips in their tiny part with millions of others who wouldn’t of bought the games releasing at full retail anyway.
I personally don’t know a person with an Xbox without it now, no I’m not saying the uptake is that big but it’s gaining. And that’s all they need to do, keep gaining members and in the long run the returns will outweigh any game sales.
This isn't OldGAF. People are allowed to discuss things and have opinions. Even the mod's wrath so far has been just to remove one guy from the thread.I have a feeling this thread will be locked soon, or become a giant graveyard.
Nice player numbers, i guess. Since game is out on Sep. 10, so 3 mil. players in 7 days, bunch of people rent a game for 2$.
It will be hilarious if TLOU 2 will sell in more than 3 mil. copies at 60$ in one week. Like GOW did in first three days in 3.1 mil copies at 60$
What a fucking difference in revenue will be. LOL
I have a feeling this thread will be locked soon, or become a giant graveyard.
ReeeeeeeYou've landed on Neogaf and not ResetEra.
Oh, well shit! I thought the number one reason was because its a great fucking game!I don't think this is surprising since 1) Xbox gamers have been kind on a drought of first party games; 2) the game is practically free; 3) the game isn't exclusive to one platform.
Nice player numbers, i guess. Since game is out on Sep. 10, so 3 mil. players in 7 days, bunch of people rent a game for 2$.
It will be hilarious if TLOU 2 will sell in more than 3 mil. copies at 60$ in one week. Like GOW did in first three days in 3.1 mil copies at 60$
What a fucking difference in revenue will be. LOL
Oh, well shit! I thought the number one reason was because its a great fucking game!
Someone needs to call Microsoft, stat!
Sustainability should be very important depending on what you are buying, of course, a rental service like Game Pass or say Netflix does less harm... as all they are is a rental service.
Only in the case of this thread, we have 100% bona fide Sony-ettes expressing deep concern about Microsoft's business model, because, like, they know better.
its just that the xbox fans brag about it like its the greatest thing every.
And yet we have no metrics to prove this. I can tell you for me MS lost $55 since I would have bought digital and instead paid for a month of cheap gamepass and cancelled since it didn’t hold my interest.This argument is going to come up every time Microsoft releases a first party game on Game Pass, isn't it?
Microsoft benefits more from selling subscriptions than it does selling individual games.
Netflix loses money by the millions. Not a good example. They’ve shown that this model isn’t profitable and are praying they eventually get big enough they can sustain their own debt. No such luck yet.The chances people stay subscribed is high after they use it to play Gears 5 as Gears 5 alone will push those users to start downloading and trying other games they normally wouldn't and thus the cycle continues until they pay $9.99 a month. They sucked me in with Gears 5 quite honestly. Now I'm playing Void Bastards, Hellblade, Gears 5 and I may also download Forza Horizon 4, Metro, and maybe even try out Crackdown 3. On top of that Halo Infinite and TMCC will be on there too so it's a non-stop win in my book.
Netflix makes it's own shows and movies for what reason again? Oh that's right. RMR. If they were to sell this service to 1 person, you'd be right. But they can rake in millions or even billions a month and consistently make money on games they've created instead on relying on the first 12 months of sales and then sales beyond that. Not to mention, people can still buy the games if they chose to and in the future, stream the games they bought and/or subscribe to.
Yes people brag about GP all the time. Even stating Sony is in trouble if they dont follow.Really? This in your head? I haven't seen anybody brag about the numbers. Maybe some bragging about how they got to play a great game for peanuts thanks to Gamepass (which is fantastic), followed up by lots of deriding from the forum unsavouries.
Ain't it funny how all the Borderlands 3 threads remain untainted, despite its performance issues and low numbers compared to 2? It couldn't be because its a multiplat could it? Surely not...