You also compared PC games that use a subscription model, or optional in-game purchases, to the mandatory fee charged for any online multiplayer on PSN/Xbox Live. If that is seriously your view then his statement isn't far off the mark.
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False "saving" with switching to PC
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You also compared PC games that use a subscription model, or optional in-game purchases, to the mandatory fee charged for any online multiplayer on PSN/Xbox Live. If that is seriously your view then his statement isn't far off the mark.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
But then you dont need psn/xbox live to play games either if you dont care for online gaming.
But you need the sub for wow to play the game?
They would probably just lock certain features behind PS+ rather than prevent you from playing it at all. I don't have PS+ but was still able to play Destiny. Perhaps that was a special case though; I don't know how it works for other online-only console games.
False equivalency. And if you don't understand why that's a false equivalency... I don't even know where to begin.
ViolentP
Member
Playing games online on a PC is free. Playing games online on console is not.
Playing a subscription based game is not free on PC or console.
It's pretty straightforward stuff.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
I dont work with my cousin, It's not like i sit there watching him build rigs. It's whenever i see him etc, Also when i said THEY, It was my friends who do that, Not al PC gamers. Pretty sure thats how it should have came across.
Holy shit are you for real? If you didn't care for online gaming you wouldn't even own WoW in the first place, seeing as it is an online-only massively multiplayer game.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Yes but how many play wow? Millions i believe, Point is alot of PC gamers have probably played it in it's lifetime. My GF being one of them. Millions pay for PSN. and millions dont.
The original point wasn't meant to be about this, It was about the saving aspect and that the PSN/XBOXLIVE sub would be subsided by the sub you would pay for wow or any other MMO that had a sub based entry. If of course you was interested in the game.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
As i just said, The point i was trying to make is that the SAVING aspect which is what the thread is about would be mute if you played wow on PC.
this thread is hilarious
on topic , aside from the initial costs , yes pc gaming is way cheaper when purchasing SOFTWARE.
I always own all the consoles and a pc , and pc games are just way, way cheaper in general.
Depending what you play , or if you even care about highest settings etc you do not need to upgrade very often.
I havent upgraded a single thing since early 2012, and i game on pc 90% of the time , and no i didnt buy the highest end stuff at that time either. (never do that imo its a waste of money)
Pc gaming is absolutely cheaper software wise , i don't see how anyone can even try to debate that.
on topic , aside from the initial costs , yes pc gaming is way cheaper when purchasing SOFTWARE.
I always own all the consoles and a pc , and pc games are just way, way cheaper in general.
Depending what you play , or if you even care about highest settings etc you do not need to upgrade very often.
I havent upgraded a single thing since early 2012, and i game on pc 90% of the time , and no i didnt buy the highest end stuff at that time either. (never do that imo its a waste of money)
Pc gaming is absolutely cheaper software wise , i don't see how anyone can even try to debate that.
ViolentP
Member
And how many bears shit in the woods? Millions. In WoW you can turn into a bear. So by your logic, the protagonist of Banjo-Kazooie was really Gruntilda Winkybunion.
Just don't buy twice as many games!
chekhonte
Member
It's a pretty wide spread problem though and honestly more of a known design flaw that a damaged piece of equipment. Sony knows it will be further damaging ps4s since they won't pay to fix it if it's outside of it's warranty like MS did with the RRoD.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Your friends seem odd, and multiple odd friends at that. I never meet anyone who would buy games just to see if they can max them. Why would anyone do that, especially ones that know how to build a pc and test their parts, when you can download benchmark tools, like 3dmark and Prime95.
ViolentP
Member
I don't disagree with you. What I am saying is that the resume function on the PS4 is exceptional. Now, eject failure, burnt power supply, peanut butter in the disc slot. These are all things that will alter the functionality. But the functionality itself is great.
How many? A small portion of the people who play on PC. How many people play FF XIV on PS4? A small portion of people who play on PS4. Hmmm....
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Come on i bet the first thing you do as a PC gamer is test to see how far you can run your newest game? All they are doing is not continuing to play the game. Doesnt seem that far fetched to me. Football Manager is that good, Consider them the PC version of console gamers who play nothing but Fifa.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
So who saves the most money?
There are graphics options, so most of us on Gaf would see what setting we can run for our desired experience....
Although new gamers tend to just use GeForce experience which automatically sets the graphics settings for you.
Majority probably don't bother to tweak anything.
I've literally never personally met a single person who PC games that way. Like, really. I also haven't met a single person who games on pc that even plays football manager.
Furthermore, if you're trying to stereotype people who play on pc, at least get it right based on sales treands. The most played games on PC are League of Legends, DOTA 2, Hearthstone, Minecraft, Counter-strike, and Team Fortress 2. It's worth noting that the weakest of consumer PCs on the market can max these games out.
You're totally trolling, aren't you?
Cramoss
Member
Exactly. Looks like OP forgot that games here and on lots of other places are way more expensive than you'd expect, specially on AAA releases where PC versions are usually cheaper than console releases here.
No we do work first and with the little time left we have we watch porn.
UnrealEck
Member
They would probably charge for it.
See, we can just go back and forth assuming what they'd probably do.
The point is, PS+ is a gateway to almost the entirety of the online functionality of the platform, whereas WoW and other sub-fee games are, well, not.
I can't tell you how many AAA games I've gotten for 20 of less over the past 2 yrs on pc day one of preorder. Most look and run better than their console counterparts. Sometimes you are burned (fuck you arkham Knight) but I've more than paid for my rig and the upgrades I've gotten with the savings
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
I think it's really hard to "prove" if you save one way or another since everyone has different buying habits. The cost of PS+/XBL, the cost of extra controllers (if you're doing local, either on PC or console), the cost of hardware, the cost of a headset, etc all play a role too.
But the cost doesn't really matter to me. Last PC I bought was 2 grand and I'm in better financial shape now than I was then. That thing sits and rots in the corner (reminds me that I should reimage to a friendly Linux distro to get some use out of it). The argument always goes back to convenience, in which case the PC always, always loses for me. I say that as someone who works daily with various Linux distros and has been a PC gamer since my dad taught me how to boot a .EXE in a DOS terminal.
I don't enjoy working with hardware. I don't enjoy tweaking software. I don't enjoy finding the best deals and planning out how to save some bucks on PC components and then creating the ultimate build. By and large, that's already a part of my job and it's something I've done since I was a teenager. I am older now and I make good money. If I have the opportunity, I make it a point to purchase something that saves me time.
PC is just too much of a timesink. There's a significant amount of freedom on the platform but the one thing it lacks is uniformity and ease-of-use. You like voicechat? Well, that isn't exactly native in the box. You have to buy extra hardware and probably install one or two software packages. You like recording gameplay? Either buy a capture card, appropriate software, and/or a compatible graphics card.
On the other hand, I can purchase a PS4 game on store.playstation.com and have it downloaded and ready to go by the time I come home after work. That's possible on PC but not as a native feature. I can record and upload footage without having to think about it on PS4. Not so on PC. I can start broadcasting a stream mid-game, start a chat party, let someone else play my game, follow someone else's stream and a whole lotta other stuff native on PS4 but can't necessarily do that on PC without having to set up a wide suite of different software and services.
Other than the occasional weird glitch that requires a reboot, my PS4 sleeps and boots right up whenever I want it to. I had -- at the time -- an extremely fast PC build with SSDs and all of the crap in Windows 7 disabled and my PC still took about 20s (which was still lightning fast compared to what I grew up with). One could argue that the PS4 might break.... well, I've had my fair share of dead PSUs, processors, and RAM sticks over the years. It's typically more expensive to repair a PC unless you're willing to wait for a deal, in which case you've lost another one of your advantage over consoles since the wait is as long (or longer) than if you'd sent in a console to the manufacturer for repair.
It's just a matter of convenience. PC is only cheaper if you navigate an always-changing labyrinth of deals, exploits, and seasonal sales, and in the process you lose a whole lot of time.
But the cost doesn't really matter to me. Last PC I bought was 2 grand and I'm in better financial shape now than I was then. That thing sits and rots in the corner (reminds me that I should reimage to a friendly Linux distro to get some use out of it). The argument always goes back to convenience, in which case the PC always, always loses for me. I say that as someone who works daily with various Linux distros and has been a PC gamer since my dad taught me how to boot a .EXE in a DOS terminal.
I don't enjoy working with hardware. I don't enjoy tweaking software. I don't enjoy finding the best deals and planning out how to save some bucks on PC components and then creating the ultimate build. By and large, that's already a part of my job and it's something I've done since I was a teenager. I am older now and I make good money. If I have the opportunity, I make it a point to purchase something that saves me time.
PC is just too much of a timesink. There's a significant amount of freedom on the platform but the one thing it lacks is uniformity and ease-of-use. You like voicechat? Well, that isn't exactly native in the box. You have to buy extra hardware and probably install one or two software packages. You like recording gameplay? Either buy a capture card, appropriate software, and/or a compatible graphics card.
On the other hand, I can purchase a PS4 game on store.playstation.com and have it downloaded and ready to go by the time I come home after work. That's possible on PC but not as a native feature. I can record and upload footage without having to think about it on PS4. Not so on PC. I can start broadcasting a stream mid-game, start a chat party, let someone else play my game, follow someone else's stream and a whole lotta other stuff native on PS4 but can't necessarily do that on PC without having to set up a wide suite of different software and services.
Other than the occasional weird glitch that requires a reboot, my PS4 sleeps and boots right up whenever I want it to. I had -- at the time -- an extremely fast PC build with SSDs and all of the crap in Windows 7 disabled and my PC still took about 20s (which was still lightning fast compared to what I grew up with). One could argue that the PS4 might break.... well, I've had my fair share of dead PSUs, processors, and RAM sticks over the years. It's typically more expensive to repair a PC unless you're willing to wait for a deal, in which case you've lost another one of your advantage over consoles since the wait is as long (or longer) than if you'd sent in a console to the manufacturer for repair.
It's just a matter of convenience. PC is only cheaper if you navigate an always-changing labyrinth of deals, exploits, and seasonal sales, and in the process you lose a whole lot of time.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Your right, that's why the majority of twitch streamers are PS4 gamers. Streaming stuff like LoL, Hearthstone, CSGO, Dota 2, and WoW is much easier to do on PS4 than it is on PC.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
So most popular = easiest to use? That Wii online must've been KILLER last gen.
Massive laughter on my end over here.
Streaming started on PC and became popular on PC which is why it is more prolific on PC. That has no bearing on whether or not it's easier compared to streaming a console.
On PS4:
1) Purchase console
2) create PSN account and pay for PS+
3) Connect to Internet
4) Boot game
5) Stream
Though I haven't seen it firsthand, I imagine it is approximately this easy on Xbox One. PC has it this easy? Not a chance.
I think he's being sarcastic.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
I'm aware. He's sarcastically implying that I am mistaken and PS4 isn't easier to use.
I'm saying it is.
I'd argue a lot of things are easier on PS4, but it's worth noting that game share through streaming to another device is a native feature of Steam. Additionally, with an nvidia graphic's card, streaming to twitch is a button press away.
ScatheZombie
Member
This is such a stupid argument.
As someone who actually does streaming, it is absolutely easier to start streaming on PS4 than it is on PC. The guide to streaming on PS4 is pretty much logging into your Twitch/Ustream account. While the guide to streaming on PC isn't exactly rocket science, it's a hell of a lot more than one step. Installing and setting up your broadcast software can be a multi-page guide process. But you also have a ton more options.
But besides that, the reason PC streaming is more popular has nothing to do with the ease of use on PS4. It's because that's where most of the viewers are. And that is because game streaming on PC was a thing for more than half a decade before the PS4 even launched.
Streaming is more popular on PC because it's infinitely more robust than on consoles. Even simplified options like Shadowplay which offers console-like simplicity completely dwarfs console offerings in terms of robustness. That's why all the serious streamers end up on PC, nevermind the most popular competitive games are there.
Serial Butt Grabber
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Not only that, most popular games are competitive games that are simply not present on the consoles - CS:GO, DoTA2, LoL, etc.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Glad your having fun, I also had a good laugh over your post.
Your probably right in saying that it is easier to stream on PS4 compared to PC. Still the market has spoken and they chose PC as their platform of choice to stream.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
You're twisting this thread into something it isn't. I was never arguing which one was more popular. Neither was the OP.Glad your having fun, I also had a good laugh over your post.
Your probably right in saying that it is easier to stream on PS4 compared to PC. Still the market has spoken and they chose PC as their platform of choice to stream.
The crux of my initial post was that console gaming is significantly more convenient for me. Not sure why the streaming part got people's ire up since it was just one example out of many demonstrating how consoles are more convenient. Less flexible? Yes, absolutely, and others above me have already pointed that out. Less powerful? Yep, a foregone conclusion. But cheaper overall? Eh.... it really depends. And even if it IS cheaper (again, going back to the point of my post) it isn't as convenient.
For some of us where time -- not money -- is at a premium, console gaming makes more sense. And on the same note, there are gamers where time is at a premium but they still decide to play games on PC. That's fine too.
I wish discussing PC gaming -- even if I am a PC gamer -- wasn't so binary. Seems like any comments challenging the "Master race" status of PC is met with passionate and misdirected disagreement at the drop of a hat.
It is true that Steam has that feature. However (and I could be completely wrong; I'm making an assumption based on PC architecture) just because you're running Steam doesn't mean that you can do game share. I'd imagine you would need a minimal level of hardware power to do that. Same goes for the graphics card: yeah, you can do that, but that means you're buying a specific brand or series of cards that support it.
I too have a really hard time running the program that comes with my GPU driver that automatically configures most of my games for my hardware. It's even tougher than whipping out my credit card to pay the yearly online fee on Steam.
Buying console games is only cheaper if you navigate an always changing labyrinth of deals at retail. Oh no wait, it's never cheaper. Ever.
And repairing a PC is always going to be more expensive. I know that after the ps4 dies after its warranty a "repair" will only cost me a trip to the store and 300 bucks and that cost will carry forward to when I buy the ps5. But when a ram stick or power supply dies I could spend as much as 150 dollars and it's locked to that computer only.
PastorOfMuppets
Banned
I don't have her library but I have a pretty sizable library actually 560+ games.
You have some weird people around you then.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
It's the GOAT annual video game franchise though.
Brofist
Member
How is it a "false" savings. Games are cheaper on the PC plain and simple. If you are a AAA only game buyer who buys games day 1 they are still cheaper on the PC, assuming you can be bothered to compare prices. If you can't be bothered to shop around then you probably don't care about saving money, in which case the point is moot anyway.
That quote in the OP is probably the most obnoxious thing I'll read today. Quite the feat for 6:13am.
It's probably not entirely wrong, though, as far as the broad public goes. Although, as primarily a console gamer, it's absolutely incorrect to attribute that stuff to all of us. I've bought >15 games this year, only one of which was at full price at launch. Digital deals for console games exist.
It's probably not entirely wrong, though, as far as the broad public goes. Although, as primarily a console gamer, it's absolutely incorrect to attribute that stuff to all of us. I've bought >15 games this year, only one of which was at full price at launch. Digital deals for console games exist.
You can stream to a toaster using steam. No, streaming doesn't require hardware power at all.
As for the card, Nvidia owns like >60% of the dedicated graphics card market. It's really not like you have to go far out your way to own one of their cards.
alexandros
Banned
I think the OP misplaced the quotes in the title. Could a mod please edit it to "False" saving with switching to PC?
exmachina64
Banned
Actually, that number is 82%.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...e-again-despite-multiple-amd-radeon-releases/