Knightime_X
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They most certainly did before Iwata took over.No. People don't buy Nintendo hardware for the power.
Played anything before the Wii?
They most certainly did before Iwata took over.No. People don't buy Nintendo hardware for the power.
No. But I do think that the steam deck will take some steam (no pun intended) from the switch successor. That is assuming it doesn't do anything new, but I think the next switch will be a vr hybrid.
Switch 2 will likely not be as popular as the switch. I also think Xbox will win this gen in the second half.
In term of hardware pricing, the main difference between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft was always that Nintendo usually tends to sell their consoles without losing money.This may sound stupid to just be realizing now…
but
The more I I think about Ninty and their cost choices the more I realize they basically ask people to pay a premium for access to their catalog - and that extends beyond keeping mostly all of their 1st party
games at top-shelf pricing for longer than everyone else - they price access to their console as such for the same reason. Sony has a similar approach, though not nearly as ridiculous.
nintendo gets away with it because…it’s facking Nintendo. So, they could make something less powerful charge the same or more and people will still clamber to it.
I think the Switch 2 will probably be even more popular or as popular as it would probably be able to play games like the latest COD and Fifa etcNo. But I do think that the steam deck will take some steam (no pun intended) from the switch successor. That is assuming it doesn't do anything new, but I think the next switch will be a vr hybrid.
Switch 2 will likely not be as popular as the switch. I also think Xbox will win this gen in the second half.
I'm not expecting a new Nintendo console in two years. Not with the Switch still selling at its peak.No .. but it should be in two years when people are expecting the next console.
The switch will probably never get another COD, regardless of how powerful it is.I think the Switch 2 will probably be even more popular or as popular as it would probably be able to play games like the latest COD and Fifa etc
And Xbox is probably never selling more than 65-70 million units again so I doubt it
This may sound stupid to just be realizing now…
but
The more I I think about Ninty and their cost choices the more I realize they basically ask people to pay a premium for access to their catalog - and that extends beyond keeping mostly all of their 1st party
games at top-shelf pricing for longer than everyone else - they price access to their console as such for the same reason. Sony has a similar approach, though not nearly as ridiculous.
nintendo gets away with it because…it’s facking Nintendo. So, they could make something less powerful charge the same or more and people will still clamber to it.
that being said, I hope the Steam Deck really disrupts things
It's pretty damn weird, but understanding the mentality of forum posters who think their hardware specs somehow give them Dragon Ball Z like character progression, you can easily picture them slamming their fists into their keyboards or PS5's out of frustration and bewilderment when a weaker device on the block is so much more successful.This obsession with Nintendo and hardware power is so weird. The people who buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games don't care about power. They care about games.
The switch will probably never get another COD, regardless of how powerful it is.
I'm expecting Xbox to have better exclusives in the second half.
Even if let's say the switch 2 is as powerful as a steam deck, do you think EA and activision are going to make a second version of a game for FP16 instructions on an ARM chip, or a scaleable game in FP32 for x86-64 for PC/Xbox/PS?I think when the tech is a little more capable they might retry it on the Switch again, they did with Wii U and 3DS. Regardless the Switch 2 will be more capable to play current gen games like Resident Evil, Tekken, Assassins Creed etc.
Even at the height of the 360’s success they still sold just under PS3 at the end of the generation.
The 360 released a year before the PS3, which was a disaster and Sony’s worst selling console. The 360 had many advantages like better online capabilities, better 3rd party games, easier to develop for and having games like Final Fantasy, DMC, Resident Evil and Tekken for the first time which are mainly known as Playstation titles. Xbox doesn't have any of these advantages anymore and Playstation isnt havent the slow start it had with the PS3
that's where the biggest challenge for the switch 2 or whatever nintendo calls it, lies, but like I said earlier if they do use orin,200 gb/s, is possibleMemory bandwidth
Switch: 25.6 GB/s
Deck: 88 GB/s
not for those glorious 5 months between the gameboy advance launch and the game park 32 the GBA was the best in portable game hardwareNintendo handhelds have always been underpowered to the competition and it has yet to hurt them. Great software with good enough tech has done well for them.
Switch 2 will probably look weaker than Steam Deck on paper, at least in handheld mode. This will probably be due to using a smaller battery while still wanting to maintain ~5 hour battery life, so the SoC gets less power. I doubt Nvidia will have a chip efficient enough to overcome that. Real world results will probably be closer due to developer optimization.
How did laziness pay off for Nintendo during the WiiU era? Did their most loyal fans keep them afloat?No. It doesn't even need to be more powerful than Switch.
Nintendo could release something no more powerful than the DS and morons like me would still be first in line to buy it.
How’’do laziness pay off for Nintendo during the WiiU era? Did their most loyal fans keep them afloat?
They have to strike a balance and give reason for the upgrade.
HBM 2E and HDM 3 are expensive.that's where the biggest challenge for the switch 2 or whatever nintendo calls it, lies, but like I said earlier if they do use orin,200 gb/s, is possible
No offence but Nintendo is not aiming to impress you. They view gamers that are core enough to play with emulator's as antisocial gamers and have expressed greater interest in the mass market, and embrace couch co op social play. This is why Mario Kart is such a killer IP and why Switch is selling to such a larger portion of the market.I'm not saying at needs to be as powerful, buuu-uuuuuutttt...
*Now I'm playing with power, portable power lol.
*Access my library on the go and dock at home.
*Huge library of stuff I want down the pipe.
*Play all my emulators, all of them, and I have a lot expansive catalogue for Cemu/Dolphin/Retroarch, whatever I want. Fixes that VC problem...
*Netfilx and other streaming apps I have.
Steam Deck gon' do what Nintenwillnevergetaroundtodo-ing, #GetyerheadsoutyoassesNibtendo. Lol.
Only downside is Zelda for me... but we have ways. So if Nintendo wants to impress me, there's gotta be way more to offer, or at least be par for the new standard course. Doesn't have to be power, but we need options. We need value.
They and Nvidia know that they have a great thing going when it comes to a partnership. I would imagine that they will just drop whatever current iteration of chip that Nvidia has for their Shield into their next console and be done with it.
Samsung's upcoming Exynos 2200 SoC has Arm's Cortex X2 CPU cores and RDNA 2 6 CUs on 4 nm process node which is roughly equivalent to TSMC's 5 nm.There's no 100% guarantee that they will be with Nvidia for the next console though, right? They may well be already be in discussions with AMD to do something similar to what's in the Steam Deck but slightly trimmed down to maintain the form factor.
Especially if Nvidia wants to move them onto a newer chip (and charge them a lot more per chip), it might rub Nintendo the wrong way. It wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia misreads Nintendo's management and tries to force them down a road they don't want to go on. Plus, AMD has a lot more experience with semi-custom console SoC designs, and the Steam Deck proves that they can do handheld too.
Double plus, Nintendo used ATI/AMD graphics in the Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U, so they're not exactly strangers to AMD. Now that AMD is in a position to offer them an all-in-one package, it might be perfect.
No, Nintendo doesn't care about graphical fidelity and neither do the majority of their fans. I think they will bring something new to the table with their next handheld. The question remains if it is a gimmick or real innovation but they definitely won't just make a new console for the sake of upgrading the graphics.
No.
Once you understand Nintendo's hardware philosophy, you can kinda predict (minus how they will use it) how powerful their next console will be.
It will be has powerful as the cheapest and most understood tech in 2024.
I doubt 4k 60fps be a withered (cheap and understandable) tech by 2024, and that for all consoles and PC.
DLSS is where my bet
I dont think this is true, don't mistake having no other viable portable options for Nintendo fans not caring about graphics. Also they do need to keep hardware relevant and powerfull to an extent to keep 3rd party developers and make ports easier. I would say switch 2 if outbin next year or 2 needs to be close to steam deck.
Console manufacturers do have a habbit of dropping Nvidia and the market for their socs seems to be self driving cars now, so maybe they aren't interested , though I'd hope so for easy back compatibilityThere's no 100% guarantee that they will be with Nvidia for the next console though, right? They may well be already be in discussions with AMD to do something similar to what's in the Steam Deck but slightly trimmed down to maintain the form factor.
Especially if Nvidia wants to move them onto a newer chip (and charge them a lot more per chip), it might rub Nintendo the wrong way. It wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia misreads Nintendo's management and tries to force them down a road they don't want to go on. Plus, AMD has a lot more experience with semi-custom console SoC designs, and the Steam Deck proves that they can do handheld too.
Double plus, Nintendo used ATI/AMD graphics in the Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U, so they're not exactly strangers to AMD. Now that AMD is in a position to offer them an all-in-one package, it might be perfect.