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Demon Souls: Remake for PS4 popped up on the PlayStation database
- Thread starter Craig of War
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- Rumor
DonJorginho
Banned
Grrrr I'm SOOOOOO angry I got to play a game at 1440p 60fps with super fast loading times whilst PS4 users will have the luxury of playing it at 1080p/30fps with slow ass HDD loading times.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Destruction All Stars.
MasterCornholio
Member
How would they get Ratchet to work on the PS4? Just looking at the I/O they would have to make some pretty big changes.
I don't think a loading screen with every level switch is going to be enjoyable.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I wish I could go back and find my posts but I never believed their retraction back then. It was obvious to me that they were lying about this screenshot being a mistake.Where is that another one gif when you need it?
Also:
This thing is a 1:1 remake of a PS3 game. They only upgraded the graphics. You can easily port this to PS4. Especially since they targeted 60 fps at 1440p. That means the Pro should easily be able to do a 1440p 30 fps version with PS4 quality visuals. It wouldve been much harder to port if it were 1440p 30 fps on the PS5.
PS4 will probably come in around 900p 30 fps with downgraded Bloodborne quality visuals.
1440p 60 fps. Not 4k 60 fps. They didnt push the graphics as much as the UE5 demo because unlike the UE5 target of 1440p, their target was 1440p 60 fps. They left a lot of performance on the table. A 5 tflops RDNA 2.0 GPU can run this game at 1440p 30 fps.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Ask the people that are buying them. Im still going to get one.
01011001
Banned
Where is that another one gif when you need it?
Also:
so this wasn't a mistake after all...
aclar00
Member
This is one aspect about PC gaming that i dont care for, though it's not in my top 3. Developing across cards and components. This very fact, along with a limited number of new cards and the sheer variety of cards (let alone other components) makes optimization very limited, if nonexistent.
I wouldn't feel duped but more disappointed at what could have been if the games i purchased were built for my unit. I know little about programing, but somehow i dont think it's as simple as adjusting a slider for slightly better textures and/or framerates.
i digress though, its just the nature of PC gamimg.
Maybe not so much duped....
Banjo64
cumsessed
Same lol - supposed to be an Argos drop tonight and maybe Amazon in the morning. Fed up of my PS4 now.
DonJorginho
Banned
Dynamic 4K no? If I'm wrong then my bad but I couldn't tell it was 1440p
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nope 1440p 60 fps.
native 4k was locked to 30 fps.
The biggest difference is going to be in the quality of the textures and the rendering quality. They are using some form of realtime GI which will have to be paired back and their streaming engine was pushing something crazy like 4 GB a second which obviously will need be paired back resulting in lower level of detail in the game.
But if it comes to PC, I can assure you something like a 5600xt with 5 tflops should be able to run this at the same visual fidelity 1440p 30 fps.
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01011001
Banned
with most modern engines it literally is that easy.
Cryengine had PS3 and 360 preset buttons back when CryEngine 3 released, they even showed it off on an expo.
most games these days simply use PC values when porting to console. only minor adjustments are made. remember the DF video about Watch Dogs Legion? the console settings are literally viewable in the PC version's ini files and correspond almost entirely to the available PC settings
of course if you wanna squeeze every last drop out of a system, that's not as easy as that, but rarely any game does/tries that nowadays.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Why yes it's not like I'm trying to get a PS5 to use it as a sex toy. I've been watching Amazon like a hawk and so far I didn't get lucky. Hopefully they have a restock soon.
aclar00
Member
Isn't it basically a 1-1 port of a PS3? If so, why couldnt it be done? Only four things would likely change...loading, textures, framerate and resolution. AI would stay the same, amount of characters on screen, combat mechanics and all likelihood, sound.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'll buy your PS5 then, sunshine.Wonder how the PS4 will handle all that ray-tracing goodness.
Seriously, I’m starting to feel duped in buying a PS5 with all of these titles going to the PS4 now. I’m fully expecting a Returnal and Ratchet and Clank SKU to show up for the PS4 by this holiday…at which point I’ll be asking what was the point of this whole PS5 console releasing in 2020?
01011001
Banned
it is literally a PS3 game code running underneath a new graphics engine.
it's basically like the Halo 1 and 2 remasters. the original code runs the game logic, and their in house engine is used to replace the graphics. and graphics is the easiest thing to scale down in videogames, which is why stuff like Doom and Wolfenstein 2 can run on a Switch... the engine is not that CPU heavy and the game logic doesn't bring the mobile CPU to its knees like some other games would.
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Captain Toad
Banned
95% of rumors posted on GAF end up fake, but everytime people read just the thread title and act like it's 100% confirmed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There is no reason, none at all.
So everyone, stop trying to buy them*
*so I can get one
NonPhixion
Member
Who do you think is doing the port and support for a PS4 launch? Bluepoint hasn't updated Demon's Souls PS5 since December. That is when their contract for the project ended and where your hopes of a PS4 port ended as well.
Ulysses 31
Member
Wonder if PS5 version owners will get the free downgrade and if progression carries over. 
01011001
Banned
yes useless console, noone needs it
I second this*
*the fucking twitter bots that tell you where new batches are coming in are too slow!!!
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MasterCornholio
Member
Not sure if the downgrades would be an issue. Technically the game had some issues on the PS3. It could be fine on the PS4 but it might be too much of a downgrade for some people.
We have to wait and see what the tech comparisons say. Hopefully framerate is good on the PS4 if it exists.
It could be possible that it was cancelled.
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Andodalf
Banned
Or they finished it then and it’s sat on a HDD in Sony HQ for a year
01011001
Banned
it not being made by FromSoftware actually boads well for it xD a steady, perfectly framepaced 30fps is totally doable
aclar00
Member
Thanks for the input. The last bit is my primary point. In the current gen era, its not so much just the GPU, but rather other components, that when combined with the GPU and CPU allow for developers to create new experiences. Think 2D to 3D. Not simply 30fps to 60fps (or any fps variation) and slightly better textures and draw distances.
Again, i dont follow PC gaming or GPUs much anymore, but i assume, that it would be 5+ years before a new released PC game is going to say "minimum GPU = 3070"?
mejin
Member
After you play on PS5, you won't come back to PS4.
TonyK
Member
Demons Souls doesn't use RT.Wonder how the PS4 will handle all that ray-tracing goodness.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
There is no RT in Demons Souls I think... even if it looks like there isWonder how the PS4 will handle all that ray-tracing goodness.
Seriously, I’m starting to feel duped in buying a PS5 with all of these titles going to the PS4 now. I’m fully expecting a Returnal and Ratchet and Clank SKU to show up for the PS4 by this holiday…at which point I’ll be asking what was the point of this whole PS5 console releasing in 2020?
MasterCornholio
Member
I could see 30FPs but 60FPs is something that might be an issue. The I/O probably isn't as big of a deal but I can imagine much longer load times and worse memory management due to the HDD.
a multicultural team of v
Member
It's a PS3 game remade 1:1 so I don't know why it wouldn't be possible. Graphics are gonna take a huge hit though because I'm pretty sure Bluepoint said they were using the SSD to stream a shitload of assets constantly.
JLB
Banned
Thats great, but so many around here lectured the community about how DS is "im-po-ssi-ble" on last gen boxes.
01011001
Banned
Panic Button? Sony inhouse? it's already done? multiple possibilities.
Panic Button can easily do it, they freaking rewrote some game logic for the Switch port of Warframe in order to make it run on the low end CPU of the system... this optimization work was so good, Digital Extremes then used Panic Button's optimizations to improve all the other versions of Warframe
studios like this exist and are waiting for work like this.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean it's a PS3 game.. of course it could work on PS4 lol
TonyK
Member
I don't believe it will be released in PS4 but I admit it's the easiest PS5 exclusive to fit in a PS4.
I mean, we have games as Last of Us 2, Red Dead Redemption 2... Demons Souls have more fine detail, better textures, but it doesn't do anything not achievable in a PS4. There is no an impossible huge streamed world, thousands of NPCs, advanced physics or AI. For sure it's a game less ambitious than Horizon Forbidden West.
But don't get me wrong, it's an amazing game. I only think it's possible (but not probably) to be ported to Ps4.
I mean, we have games as Last of Us 2, Red Dead Redemption 2... Demons Souls have more fine detail, better textures, but it doesn't do anything not achievable in a PS4. There is no an impossible huge streamed world, thousands of NPCs, advanced physics or AI. For sure it's a game less ambitious than Horizon Forbidden West.
But don't get me wrong, it's an amazing game. I only think it's possible (but not probably) to be ported to Ps4.
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Rubik8
Member
Duh. To play the best looking, highest framerate, fastest loading version available.
makaveli60
Member
Never understood the hype about its graphics. It looks good sure, but as I said after the first gameplay, the ps4 could easily handle it in 1080p30 (maybe with drs, and some smaller downgrades). The only game that feels 100% nextgen is Ratchet and Clank, and unfortunately I don’t see that changing anytime soon...
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm in the same boat, but kinda assumed it was the grimdark look that just made it hard for it to really "pop" with me.. but I also didn't play very much of it.
It's very crisp, and I get the technical aspects.. but it just kind of bored me graphically lol
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Not because other people would get to play, that's good and I'd want that. My reasons are purely selfish. It was the reason I got a ps5 at launch though. I'd have waited and possibly have bought an entirely different system. They swore up and down it wasn't happening.
makaveli60
Member
The dreamteam did that. This new management is just reaping what the previous sowed like there’s no tomorrow...
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What would be shady about this one?
Little Chicken
Member
Well Sony, just fucking release it so I can buy it and then I'll just play it again when I finally find a PS5. FFS.
SJRB
Gold Member
I understand, but I can promise you the PS5 version will be superior in literally every way. So you've lost nothing! And gained a PS5 in the process.
That's a damn good point.