Woah. Didn’t expect to see so much hatred towards diversity.
This is a brilliant project, it will make some characters more relatable for others. Does it really hurt you that other races and genders won’t feel so alienated when they want to play video games?
Be kind. Do better.
It seems nowadays no one can criticize terrible ideas tagged as "pro diversity" without being called, directly or indirectly, discriminatory.Woah. Didn’t expect to see so much hatred towards diversity.
This is a brilliant project, it will make some characters more relatable for others. Does it really hurt you that other races and genders won’t feel so alienated when they want to play video games?
Be kind. Do better.
That’s a lot of Waffle. Could have just said you feel they are doing it for marketing reasons, which I’m sure they are, but that speaks for the need of something like this to exist too. Only people threatened by diversity should worry about this, and the “average” gamer wouldn’t really care.It seems nowadays no one can criticize terrible ideas tagged as "pro diversity" without being called, directly or indirectly, discriminatory.
The thing is that this tool is basically a judge that tell devs and artists what they should to with their products. I see no problem with devs doing games with black and female characters and leads, not at all; but this kind of tool will only label how supposedly discriminatory other games are because they have more white, men, or "beautiful" characters in it (and I'm saying "beautiful" because it literally is one of the aspects it analyzes, whatever this might mean).
Also, this whole thing nowadays has become a market. These giant companies are not doing this stuff for the sake of diversity, they're doing it because it makes them money and paint them as "pro diversity" companies.
They’re making a ranking system for race, culture, age, etc. It is literally a token machine. What’s more it is trying to dictate the validity of people’s art.That’s a lot of Waffle. Could have just said you feel they are doing it for marketing reasons, which I’m sure they are, but that speaks for the need of something like this to exist too. Only people threatened by diversity should worry about this, and the “average” gamer wouldn’t really care.
Not just businesses, but government too. I've seen online Canadian government sites say diversity leads to better productivity and quality of work. I also do my annual repetitive (literally the same online assignment every year for 3 years until they change it up to the new 20 minute code of conduct assignment) which says diverse work pools lead to more productive corporate culture.The reality is that businesses generally don't do much of anything unless there's a financial benefit to it. The reality is that increased diversity and inclusion pays. I don't have the numbers to support this, but you see it playing out in pretty much every sector now. So clearly there's a financial upside, or this trend would not continue.
Only people threatened by diversity should worry about this, and the “average” gamer wouldn’t really care.
As expected, it's like talking to someone who doesn't want to even listen.That’s a lot of Waffle. Could have just said you feel they are doing it for marketing reasons, which I’m sure they are, but that speaks for the need of something like this to exist too. Only people threatened by diversity should worry about this, and the “average” gamer wouldn’t really care.
Are you implying a white male is worthThey’re making a ranking system for race, culture, age, etc. It is literally a token machine. What’s more it is trying to dictate the validity of people’s art.
You don’t see a problem with this?
Tell me you’re a white male aged 20-30 who’s been maidenless without words.
Only the non-believers would question the will of the Church on this matter. Are you saying that you are wavering in your faith?
And this is your problem. Since I'm about to explain why you're wrong, maybe that could penetrate your thick skull? Really just shows how the way you think is literally racist.Are you implying a white male is worth
Tell me you’re a white male aged 20-30 who’s been maidenless without words.
Are you implying a white male is worth?
Woah, first off - congratulations. Hope the wedding goes well. It’s a huge step and honestly, things will change a lot after.And this is your problem. Since I'm about to explain why you're wrong, maybe that could penetrate your thick skull? Really just shows how the way you think is literally racist.
FYI, not that it's any of your business - I'm a mixed race male, and my dad's from Libya and immigrated to the US to flee a dictatorship so we've been separated from half my family my entire life. First one in my family to go to college. And I've been in a relationship for 5 years, and literally not making this up .... we're shopping for a wedding ring this weekend. Wow you are wrong lol.
I don't have the original sin of whiteness. I'm holy.
Thank you sir. I'll throw you a bone since you're new here and just let you know that probably the majority of people on here are skeptical of things like what's showcased in this thread, and many have strong feelings about it. Moderation also leans that direction as well. Just keep that in mind and make your case if you must without implying everyone that thinks differently than you is evil somehow. That's my only advice!Woah, first off - congratulations. Hope the wedding goes well. It’s a huge step and honestly, things will change a lot after.
I saw you did a meme thing so I did one too. My origin race is Jamaican but you wouldn’t know that if you saw me in person aha. No hate, and again, enjoy married life.
Woah. Didn’t expect to see so much hatred towards diversity.
Your bigotry is showing.Are you implying a white male is worth
Tell me you’re a white male aged 20-30 who’s been maidenless without words.
What's happened in life is government is sick and tired of bailing people out, so they started it all off doing job and school admission quotas.And this is your problem. Since I'm about to explain why you're wrong, maybe that could penetrate your thick skull? Really just shows how the way you think is literally racist.
FYI, not that it's any of your business - I'm a mixed race male, and my dad's from Libya and immigrated to the US to flee a dictatorship so we've been separated from half my family my entire life. First one in my family to go to college. And I've been in a relationship for 5 years, and literally not making this up .... we're shopping for a wedding ring this weekend. Wow you are wrong lol.
I don't have the original sin of whiteness. I'm racially holy. But I do bare the original sin of being a man, and for that I flagellate myself daily.
Ahh I see. Thanks for the adviceThank you sir. I'll throw you a bone since you're new here and just let you know that probably the majority of people on here are skeptical of things like what's showcased in this thread, and many have strong feelings about it. Moderation also leans that direction as well. Just keep that in mind and make your case if you must without implying everyone that thinks differently than you is evil somehow. That's my only advice!
Capitalism is destroying art.
Art would be better if everyone had a universal basic income.The customers are. And games are not art anyway.
You think art would be better if controlled by a centralized government entity? Lordy.
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You can tell game makers are full of shit at diversity anyway.I'd imagine a rational person discussing this tool during initial testing within Act/Blizz going something like this:
Q: We already have diversity, but people are more divided than ever, why can't we focus on unity?
A: We're working on just that - We've built this tool which puts fictional characters into boxes based primarily on external attributes, it's essentially a mirror of the world around us
Q: But isn't that inherently racist and at the same time perpetuating disingenuous inclusion? Does this not limit people's artistic creativity right out of the gate?
A: Please, the only way to ensure everyone is included, is to use a tool like this, so no one can be left out ever again
Q: So how are we supposed to accommodate everyone's ever changing sensitivities, proclivities, and beliefs - where does the line end? What is the bottom of this well?
A: It ends when everyone is just good to each other and doesn't worry about all these things
Q: So why do we need this tool?, instead of putting everyone into boxes and constantly championing how different everyone is, why don't we just all focus on inclusion rather than division and celebration of differences?
A: You're fired
Correct. The mistake you made is thinking you’re regressive ideals are the majority of public opinion. The reality is, most of the public doesn’t give two shits.I know everyone likes to think that their bad opinion represents a substantial majority of the public, but that's not reality.
Businesses try to go for what makes financial sense and, failing that, gain popular sentiment to earn financial success in the long run. Yet, we see more and more businesses earning less and less as they try and push these regressive ideas that a very loud minority demanded. Meanwhile properties and businesses that conitnued on like usual or outright went *against* those vocal people have either stayed the course or *gained* financial success. Gillette, Blizzard Entertainment, DICE - I could go on. These are only a handful of companies that tried to appeal to what they thought was a larger group, that being regressive social slacktivists, but ended up *losing* money in the long run and either running back what they tried to do or doubled down and saw further financial loss.The reality is that businesses generally don't do much of anything unless there's a financial benefit to it. The reality is that increased diversity and inclusion pays. I don't have the numbers to support this, but you see it playing out in pretty much every sector now. So clearly there's a financial upside, or this trend would not continue.
Yes, like you.So, those who continue to question the validity of these trends are going to quickly find themselves on the wrong side of history, as society continues to evolve around them.
Young people tend to be the most ignorant and idealistic, devoid of knowledge or education on how the world actually functions. You are a perfect example of this.I'd say the young people are at the forefront of this movement.
Not quite. They tend to group up in an ever connected world where they form echo chambers and refuse to engage or discuss outside of them. They shield themselves from any real debates and think they can make a change with their ignorant/idealistic views by crying about it via social media instead of going out and actually attempting to make a change. Mind you, this is on both sides of the fence for young folks (right and left, respectively). Its why you see folks like ANTIFA and Proud Boys going out and making fools of themselves as they are so socially maladjusted, they are physically and mentally incapable of actually protesting or providing any actual activist actions.They're growing up in an ever more-connected world, and they interact and engage with more diverse groups of friends, not just ethnically, but also geographically.
Look at Twitter. Look at ResetEra. Racism is still alive and well, it has just chosen a different target. Ignorance is at an all time high.They're getting a closer look at tons more cultures than we were able to growing up, and they're largely embracing the differences in others. Victims of racism often lament the indoctrination of kids from an early age. Well, I'd like to think that access to smart devices from a young again, and familiarity with the internet from early on will have the opposite effect, and instill values of acceptance and tolerance in young kids.
Yes, just like many young kids parrot that socialism is amazing! And how everyone should have free health care and not have to work full time jobs. Then they see reality for what it is and walk that back.Hell, even that little kid who became a meme for being against gay marriage ended up changing his mind just a couple years later, while still a young kid. It shows that he was really just parroting what he was hearing at home or in church, and not necessarily what he really felt.
Yes, you “don’t fucking get it“.tl;dr: Society as a whole is changing, and I hope that it's the youth who get to steer the direction that we're going in, because as we all learned growing up, past generations don't fucking get it, and are stuck in their ways to a detriment. So if diversity is profitable, then a diversity tool is nothing more than a business investment for the future that bigots can't prevent.
See, I actually agree with you here.The reality is that increased diversity and inclusion pays. I don't have the numbers to support this, but you see it playing out in pretty much every sector now. So clearly there's a financial upside, or this trend would not continue.
On the plus side, if future Terminators start ransacking every town on Earth they might be lenient if their infra-red vision classifies you as a diverse humanoid.AI determined racism is not how I imagined machines would take over the world, yet ... Here we are ...
It doesn't. Customers don't care.Fact is is wokeness sells and has a big market with today's youth.
Then why do western woke comics and tv shows get canceled left and right?See, I actually agree with you here.
This whole erroneous idea of "go woke, get broke" is as far from reality as you can get.
Fact is is wokeness sells and has a big market with today's youth.
And unlike the left, the right is not very good at boycotting so they'll continue to buy tickets to every woke Marvel movie and buy every woke tabletop role-playing game book and video game despite how much they say they hate it.
So, while I'm very anti-woke myself, everthing you said was 100% correct.
Not really if it's the main character.I dunno. Sounds like a "magical negro" character and that's a whole other problematic problem.
For any perpetually offended lurking about. That's actually a thing.
Magical Negro - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Do you happen to originate from that purple forum?Woah. Didn’t expect to see so much hatred towards diversity.
This is a brilliant project, it will make some characters more relatable for others. Does it really hurt you that other races and genders won’t feel so alienated when they want to play video games?
Be kind. Do better.
Did some intersectional minority just wake up in the morning one day, figure out that their cultural studies degree from some no-name college is actually worthless and then just invent some new field of expertise for themselves so that they can con ignoramus companies who are so terrified of offending the woke boogeyman into paying them to tell them bullshit?
It has very little to do with the fact they're woke and just more because they are crappy quality.Then why do western woke comics and tv shows get canceled left and right?
Even dumber is that Activision employees and the person who first spoke about have differing opinions.Congrats to whomever at Activision/Blizzard got a promotion out of developing this tool. Well deserved, Just what the industry needed.
The problem is that woke shows are almost always bad, because they're almost always focusing on the wrong things (THE MESSAGE), instead of the right things (decent believable characterization and storytelling).It has very little to do with the fact they're woke and just more because they are crappy quality.
There's plenty of non-woke shows and games and whatever that also get canceled.