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magnumpy
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dano1
A Sheep
You obviously haven’t heard 3D audio that is done right.
Cerny litterally goes and says they put alot of effort into Sound.
People : No Atmos label
lol thats whats wrong with hifi these days, its all about buzzwords and not actual performance.
If ur capable of German i highly reccomend "Hollywood Zuhause" YouTube channel. Good information about HiFi in generall.
If u want to dig deeper into 3D Sound, go and check out Grobi TV they do great work in that space.
Especially this is worth to watch, the video is in german but should be understandable for everyone with some key information.
They disabled all the lower speakers from a typical 7.1 System so only the Height speakers are activated, this way they can hear what sound actually comes from height speakers.
People : No Atmos label
lol thats whats wrong with hifi these days, its all about buzzwords and not actual performance.
If ur capable of German i highly reccomend "Hollywood Zuhause" YouTube channel. Good information about HiFi in generall.
If u want to dig deeper into 3D Sound, go and check out Grobi TV they do great work in that space.
Especially this is worth to watch, the video is in german but should be understandable for everyone with some key information.
They disabled all the lower speakers from a typical 7.1 System so only the Height speakers are activated, this way they can hear what sound actually comes from height speakers.
Dolby and DTS sucks
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Ooof. What the hell are they thinking?
Everyone's heard virtual surround. It does not compare to actual surround or even 2.1.
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FrankWza
Member
its easier to get it done via headphones or headset. Most people that have “surround sound” are using a sound bar or HTIB. Not upfiring speakers or speakers in their ceilings and giant subs. They want to prioritize headphones because mostly that is what gamers use. Let’s wait and see what it sounds like on a speaker setup. Dts X conversion uses the atmos speakers so there’s a chance Sony has that covered as well. But 3d audio is convenient and excellent with headphones. And it’s much better than 2.1
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Woffls
Member
I’ll be going for 5.1 due to space limitations and not being convinced that any more is necessary.
I’ve been on stereo for years now due to living in small rented rooms in London so can’t wait to move into my new home. Will have Dali opticon 2 up front and zensor 1 behind then I’ll get a vokal for centre.
Need to replace my AV amp with a 4K low latency as well but stereo amp is more important to me so that’s the next part. Probably going to use arc anyway.
I’ve been on stereo for years now due to living in small rented rooms in London so can’t wait to move into my new home. Will have Dali opticon 2 up front and zensor 1 behind then I’ll get a vokal for centre.
Need to replace my AV amp with a 4K low latency as well but stereo amp is more important to me so that’s the next part. Probably going to use arc anyway.
FrankWza
Member
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Read the thread!That lol^^^ is code for “ I have a HTIB“
FrankWza
Member
You’re on 5.1 and 2.1. I get it.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Audiophile GAF
Any audiophiles lurking? What is/are your setup/s? My Current PC setup: Mobo: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 DAC: Schiit Modi Headphone amp/pre-amp: Schiit Magni Headphones: DT 1990 Pro, Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, ATH-M50x Speakers: MAudio Av40s My Current Primary Listening Setup: Rec/Amp: Marantz...
Stooky
Member
I have 7.1 setup, trying to decide if I want to do a atmos ceiling speaker set.
Tiamat2san
Member
ceiling speakers are more efficient but you need to have a good sound and vibration isolation.
dano1
A Sheep
Like I said if you haven’t heard it you probably shouldn’t comment. I have a awesome 5.1 system but it can’t do the effects REAL 3D audio can do! It’s not virtual surround
Reallink
Member
The audio engineer can put as much or as little into the height channels as they want. The Fast and the Furious' mix is the only problem they're demonstrating there, nothing to do with Atmos/DTS in general. The rest of the video is comparing the upmixers (i.e. the faked processing modes that attempt to upconvert 2D audio to 3D). The same applies there, Dolby/DTS can tune their algorithms to put as much or as little into the height channels as they want. They clearly chose to go with very sparing, specific, and subtle effects while Auro leans towards being an ambience reverbed duplication of the ground plane track. Which is better is going to be a personal preference that will likely vary with the type of content. It seems pretty clear that very little work and effort is going into native 3D Audio tracks because so few homes (and theaters) support it. Aside from avoiding licensing fees, I think the lack of user base factored heavily into Sony decision to omit Atmos and attempt to create their own processing only variety that does not use physical height channels. How it will turn it remains to be seen, they're apparently facing difficulties and delays (if they get it working at all).
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vpance
Member
how do up-firing floor standing speakers do for the height channel?
obviously having speakers mounted above you would be ideal but unfortunately for now I am forced to live in the real world and being practical often wins the argument
The effect is convincing, but you have to fiddle around with the placement to get it bouncing off the ceiling from the best angle.
I hope PS5 supports Atmos eventually. For the few years I've had it I've only gotten good uses out of it maybe a dozen times.
Tschumi
Member
I don't think I will ever, in me entire life, have a speaker system consisting of any number of smaller speakers arranged around my couch and room. I think that's indulgent as all hell. I'll use headphones, or just TV speakers. Might plug in some nice speakers with a subwoofer one day, but just a traditional 2-box+sub setup.
FrankWza
Member
I think that’s why they’re trying to get tempest into as many gamers hands as possible by including access by just plugging in headphones to your dualsense. Most people are in this boat. But an atmos setup is pretty sweet, especially for movies. When you do get your setup, don’t skimp on your sub.
BobbyColtrane
Member
You say "probably" but I need to know "definitely" what formats it supports and how it handles heights before I buy a $600 console.
It seems insane that we don't have that information 3 weeks before launch.
FrankWza
Member
do you have it preordered? Because if you do just hang tight. If you don’t, the information will be available before you can get your hands on one anyway. going by dts x your heights will work. But it’s not going to say atmos on your receiver.
BobbyColtrane
Member
I'm trying to choose between the two consoles. I play on PC almost exclusively but my One X just died, so rather than buy a 4K Bluray player, I'd rather get a console that can play 4K discs and games too.
But I have a HT with Atmos, so having it available for blurays is actually my #1 criteria.
FrankWza
Member
I hear you. Believe me. I’m hoping PS5 has DV or can at least patch it later. I think atmos will be available for the UHD player though. Just not for games bevy they want tempest used for their 3D audio. But yes, we still don’t know. Series x may already be confirmed to have itthough so you may have no choice if you don’t want to wait but I’m not sure it will have DV. To me, dts xand DV over atmos and no DV
hollams
Gold Member
Got a 5.2.4 setup and it's amazing for games and movies. I'm using a Denon receiver(4300H) and it does a great job of upmixing the 5.1 or or 7.1 to Dolby atmos. I used the Dolby Atmos windows app and turned off/on dolby on windows audio settings and I can't tell a difference between the 2. So the PS5 not having Atmos support shouldn't be that big of a deal if you have a decent receiver that can do the upmixing properly.
I went crazy this year and upgraded all of my speakers except the subs to Martin Logan Motion series and they sound unbelievable. For the subs I bought a mic and learned how to use REW to place and tune the subs and that led to a whole other level of crazy.
When my Dad came over for the first time to see my media room that has a 132" screen he was most impressed by the sound whirling around him than the big screen.
I went crazy this year and upgraded all of my speakers except the subs to Martin Logan Motion series and they sound unbelievable. For the subs I bought a mic and learned how to use REW to place and tune the subs and that led to a whole other level of crazy.
When my Dad came over for the first time to see my media room that has a 132" screen he was most impressed by the sound whirling around him than the big screen.
FrankWza
Member
sounds nice. But unless the source is atmos mix, you’re not getting an atmos ionic. It’s dts neural x probably. It may say atmos on your receiver but it isn’t atmos.
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Rhazer Fusion
Member
I was using 7.1, but eventually changed it to a 5.2 setup because there wasn’t really much that supported 7.1. Not only that, but my bedroom probably wasn’t exactly big enough to truly accommodate it.
Thought about trying Dolby Atmos since my AV Receiver supports it, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the trouble because I have my front channels bi-amped which seems to sound better to me.
Thought about trying Dolby Atmos since my AV Receiver supports it, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the trouble because I have my front channels bi-amped which seems to sound better to me.
pauljeremiah
Gold Member
Forget Dolby Atmos, I want that extra bass and LFE and better noise separation, give me DTS:X!!!!!!
FrankWza
Member
try a couple of speaker on top of your lr fronts. Worth a try. It should be easy especially if your fronts are bookshelves or floor standers
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I’ll try that soon. Got a couple of big floor speakers in the front, so they should be able to hold something on the top. I heard Dolby Atmos at the store years ago, but never in my home. I might even have a movie or game that supports the format as well.
Lonely_Wolf1886
Neo Member
Does DTS:X has better low end than atmos?
pauljeremiah
Gold Member
so I’ve been told by friends of mine who are massive audiophiles, that they always preferred DTS to Dolby.
thebigmanjosh
Member
I had a $1k+ 7.1 setup until last year when I had to downsize due to a move and wife wanting a “cleaner” tv room.
Went through half a dozen sound bars before landing on a LG 5.1.2 setup with surrounds. Quality isn’t anywhere close to being the same but Atmos>7.1 in almost every case.
Definitely interested to see how well the new hardware can pump out 3D audio since my cans are 100X nicer than my sound bar.
Games of Today
Member
Yes all Naughty Dog Games as well as every Sony first party exclusive support 7.1 Surround Sound. And pretty much every third party games is at least 5.1 as well. That's how most forms of entertainment are mastered. The rare exception was Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice which had Binaural Audio that was recorded with fake ear microphones so it works much better with headphones. If you play it on 5.1 the voices in her head only come from the front left and front right channels instead of surrounding you for some reason.
Games of Today
Member
It's absolutely worth it for explosions and loud gunshot effects.
Inviusx
Member
Just want to give a quick shout out to Uncharted 4 which I am playing for the first time this week and has the absolute best audio options of any game I've ever played.
If you have a good speaker set-up at home and haven't had many games to tinker with, this game is a beast. Naught Dog have some serious chops when it comes to this stuff.
If you have a good speaker set-up at home and haven't had many games to tinker with, this game is a beast. Naught Dog have some serious chops when it comes to this stuff.
BobbyColtrane
Member
One more nail in the coffin for Atmos/Dolby Vision on PS5. It appears it wont support Atmos for bluray either.
www.whathifi.com
It seems the PS5 is lacking both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos
The PS5's credentials as a streamer and Blu-ray player just took a big hit