Hopefully with new CPUs advancements in other areas can be done, but its gonna take awhile until the cross/early gen phase is doneI couldn't give a fuck about 4k when 1080p still hasn't got the levels of destruction that Bad Company 2 did on the Xbox 360, two fucking generations ago.
Give me physics, particle effects and all of the bells and whistles, before you chase 4k
its coming later this year.I couldn't give a fuck about 4k when 1080p still hasn't got the levels of destruction that Bad Company 2 did on the Xbox 360, two fucking generations ago.
Give me physics, particle effects and all of the bells and whistles, before you chase 4k
Hopefully with new CPUs advancements in other areas can be done, but its gonna take awhile until the cross/early gen phase is done
Call me a cynical old fart, but I've heard all the promises before. PS2 toy story graphics took another two generations to get close.its coming later this year.
I expect most games to be 1440p next gen. We have already seen this with the 1440p 30 fps UE5 demo and 1440p 60 fps for Demon Souls.
if you look at the processing power of the jaguar CPUs, they are basically on par with the cell and the xbox 360 CPUs. Around 100 flops. someone ran a simulation to confirm this. i believe it was in a GDC conference. I mean the PS4 CPU clock is 1.6 ghz which is exactly half that of the cell which was 3.2 ghz.Call me a cynical old fart, but I've heard all the promises before. PS2 toy story graphics took another two generations to get close.
I see promises dangled in front of us, with 4k and 1440p, Ray tracing etc tagged on. I don't want 4k, or RT or 1440p, not until I can blow up buildings like I could in BC2, or hell, even Syndicate wars for the psx! edit: rant not over. Kingdom under fire 1 and crusaders for the xbox, 99 nights on 360 and the creme de la creme of physics; Half Life 1 and or 2
And as for advancements, how can we go backwards from the 360? Just gimme whatever was in that, beef it up so it can do it in 1080p, bosh, done. (up scaling and Back compact doesn't count cause its then still an old arse game with a shiny coat of paint)
I’d say that’s half right. Fast paced either in terms of camera movement in the 2 dimensions of view, or if the game is fast in the 3rd dimension like a racing game. Imagine something like Wipeout or F-Zero at 360fps.You essentially need a fast paced game played with a mouse to really see the difference. Any controller game would be too slow.
60 fps is already becoming the standard. We won't see many games this gen that don't have a 60 fps mode.In lets say 20 years when hardware is so powerful that you can make a game look completely photorealistic to your hearts desire and the sense of scale is infinite you'll then have your 60fps always games lmao. I don't understand why people can never grasp this.
I don't know, I just play and enjoy my games man
60 fps is already becoming the standard. We won't see many games this gen that don't have a 60 fps mode.
Yeah, i hope to see more 60 fps X RT with 1080p/1440p resolution than MUH 4K resolution with 30 fps60 fps is already becoming the standard. We won't see many games this gen that don't have a 60 fps mode.
if you look at the processing power of the jaguar CPUs, they are basically on par with the cell and the xbox 360 CPUs. Around 100 flops. someone ran a simulation to confirm this. i believe it was in a GDC conference. I mean the PS4 CPU clock is 1.6 ghz which is exactly half that of the cell which was 3.2 ghz.
It will, but it will also offer a 60 fps mode. I guarantee it.You don't think naughty dogs new game, etc in a few years time won't target 30fps for max visuals? think again friend lol
Because they are consoles designed for TV's.. TV Standard is 4K.1440p was the next logical step but Microsoft and Sony wanted to slap "4K" on those boxes so badly....
1440p with that magic upscale voodoo looks good enough to me.if you look at the processing power of the jaguar CPUs, they are basically on par with the cell and the xbox 360 CPUs. Around 100 flops. someone ran a simulation to confirm this. i believe it was in a GDC conference. I mean the PS4 CPU clock is 1.6 ghz which is exactly half that of the cell which was 3.2 ghz.
So while they got a decent jump in the GPU (5x for xbox, 8x for ps4) it clearly didnt happen for the CPUs. They went with larger environments and called it a day.
This time around, the CPUs are a generation ahead with almost 7x-8x performance compared to last gen base consoles. It will let them push more NPCs, more destruction, and higher framerates. The vision wont be compromised. If we dont get better destruction and more NPCs, it wont be because of weak hardware. DICE are making a next gen only game and have promised amazing destruction and massive number of players on screen at once, and I think they will get there if not this year then with their next release.
of course, if they tack on RT or focus on hitting native 4k then we can forget about all that, but looking at everyone's willingness to drop to 1440p (AC valhalla and Watch Dogs both spend most of the time at 1440p on next gen consoles) we can safely say that they will not be wasting a lot of resources on native 4k rendering.
60 fps might limit some destruction though.
It will, but it will also offer a 60 fps mode. I guarantee it.
Just cutting the resolution in half might be enough to push it from 30 to 60. Unless you think the game will be CPU limited to 30 fps, which is... possible, but very improbable.offering a 60fps mode implies all the assets/sense of scale were designed etc for a 60fps game. Ground up built as a 60fps game. They don't design a game around 30fps and then are easily able to give you a 60fps mode. It's the other way around.
but it's whatever time will tell
Lmao you think that raw power is the reason why your PC should squash 4k 60fps?My 3090 is still not enough for 4K 60 in all games...what are the consoles makers thinking trying to advertise 4K native 1080p or 1440p should be standard on those machine with better detail. What do you guys think?
I'm fine with that, as long as I'm getting much better performance than "next gen" consoles. Consoles are like apple products. You gotta be in their garden and succumb to however they want things done. You have no say so in the matter, and end up paying much more, for less options and performance than PC gamers.Lmao you think that raw power is the reason why your PC should squash 4k 60fps?
PC has had all this power for so long and never actually harnessed it because anyone who develops for PC has to make their games scale due thousands of different configs and because of this you cannot optimise for shit.
That's the price of customisation and flexibility...not to mention Nvidia have zero interest in solving the problem, they want to keep you on the upgrade treadmill for as long as they can...
Well for one, iirc, Nvidia's new flop calc is inflated by something like 25% in the 3000 series relative to 2000 series.My 3090 is still not enough for 4K 60 in all games...what are the consoles makers thinking trying to advertise 4K native 1080p or 1440p should be standard on those machine with better detail. What do you guys think?
I think consoles will always be better when it comes to developers squizeeng all the juce from them and making imposible possible, not to mention the advantage of optimizing their games for just one platform with way better and faster unified memory layout and faster access times. In the mean time, PC has to deal with way, way slower DDR memory which needs to play catch up, while CPU and GPU doing brute-force work to overcome unified memory layout on consoles and make games run better on 19857918760981760879 PC configurations.What do you guys think?
Optimization, have you heard of it? By the time this generation is up 4k 60 fps wi be the norm.My 3090 is still not enough for 4K 60 in all games...what are the consoles makers thinking trying to advertise 4K native 1080p or 1440p should be standard on those machine with better detail. What do you guys think?
And that's why I'll never build an over priced pc. Consoles offer unrivaled value.
As for the 3090 TFLOP comparison, you're using pretty terrible comparisons. As John Carmack said:
Welcome to NeoGAF, a gaming forum where posters knows more about computing hardware than John fucking Carmack.That tweet is a really hot take, ngl. It's verifiably false.
Appeal to authority, so not an argument. As I said, the tweet is verifiably false. Just look at any current multiplatform game. On consoles, the games run pretty much exactly as you'd expect them to run on similar PC hardware. Twice the performance my ass.Welcome to NeoGAF, a gaming forum where posters knows more about computing hardware than John fucking Carmack.
Is it?That tweet is a really hot take, ngl. It's verifiably false.
ThisYeah those inflated RTX 3000 series FLOPS