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[Polari]

On the upside, PSN will be [certain Brazilian former poster] free.

 

[silver.tongue]

Difference is Microsoft manufactures Xboxes in Brazil, thus avoiding some of the tariffs/taxes. It's not Sony being greedy.

Where did you heart that?

 

[Nightengale]

Where did you get that information from?

Larry Page & Sergey Brin.

40% Brazilian price cut for 360 as new factory opens

 

[Tiu Neo]

Difference is Microsoft manufactures Xboxes in Brazil, thus avoiding some of the tariffs/taxes. It's not Sony being greedy.

There's no tax that would make the console cost 4x the price of it's US retail value on Brazil.

 

[Frodo]

Difference is Microsoft manufactures Xboxes in Brazil, thus avoiding some of the tariffs/taxes. It's not Sony being greedy.

No way in hell US$399 would go up to BR$3999 because of taxes. No way to spin this.

It IS Sony being greedy.

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

Why it cost so much more that One?
I believed that Sony would be aggressive in these markets.

No way in hell US$399 would go up to BR$3999 because of taxes. No way to spin this.

It IS Sony being greedy.

Why being greedy in Brazialian market only? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense. In every other market PS4 cost less than Xbox One.
Also, brazialian vg market isn't even big enough to justify a greedy behaviour.

 

[Feichaw]

Brazil seriously needs to remove video games from their gambling tax.

That's what it is in that country, a gambling tax

There isn't such thing here.

I know what Konami has said, but gambling is illegal here.

As far as I know, games are included in "toys" category.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Difference is Microsoft manufactures Xboxes in Brazil, thus avoiding some of the tariffs/taxes. It's not Sony being greedy.

Brazil has that high a tax rate that Sony need to charge more than 4 times what they are in other regions?

 

[GameAddict411]

And I was complaining when I heard that the PS4 will cost $480 in my country(+ tax).

 

[Kaako]

Good lawd that is some fucked up pricing.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Brazilians of dollars!

Shit is wack son, my sympathies. How does something like that even happen ffs?

 

[Nightengale]

Brazil has that high a tax rate that Sony need to charge more than 4 times what they are in other regions?

This applies to only some goods, but there's luxury import goods in Brazil that's taxed around 300+%.

 

[tioslash]

A rough estimation for the majority of electronics that I buy here in Brazil (like consoles, PC parts, etc ) would be: price in USD x monetary conversion x 2 (for absurd taxes and stuff) = aproximate final price in R$ for us.

For example the XONE: U$499 x 2,20 x 2 = R$ 2.195, which is roughly the price of the pre-order here. But R$3.999??? Jeez..

 

[Daedardus]

Brazil has that high a tax rate that Sony need to charge more than 4 times what they are in other regions?

It's a special tax for all imported electronic devices, and yes, it is ridiculous iirc.
(couple that with inflation of the currency too)

 

[tgoalves]

U$ 1.800!! During E3, Tretton said in an interview for a Brazilian magazine that Sony's goal would be offer the PS4 for the equivalent to U$ 400. Here's the link (in portuguese): http://veja.abril.com.br/noticia/vi...ation-4-a-399-dolares-no-brasil-diz-executivo

 

[p3tran]

http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-not...er-playstation-4-custara-r-3999-no-brasil.htm

R$ 4.000

Take that, rest of the world.

For comparisons purposes, the Xbox One will arrive here for R$ 2.200, which is around US$ 1.000.

Viva a vida.

excuse me, but does anyone have any idea about how they decide on a good's price in Brazil?
is this price outcome of a scalper eshop? a scalper importer, of a scalper government, ?
what gives?

 

[Polari]

No way in hell US$399 would go up to BR$3999 because of taxes. No way to spin this.

It IS Sony being greedy.

C'mon people.

Why do you think Microsoft manufacture in Brazil?

Do you think Sony really want to price their console beyond the reach of 99% of Brazillian consumers?

Not to mention at almost twice the price of their competition?

 

[silver.tongue]

Larry Page & Sergey Brin.

40% Brazilian price cut for 360 as new factory opens

That`s about the 360, no?

PS3`s are also manufactored in Brazil.

 

[Corto]

Buy a two-way ticket to Miami buy the PS4 there and pay taxes on the way back. I would bet it would be cheaper even then. Crazy pricing. Even more so considering Xbox One relative price disparity.

 

[keit4]

Muito barato.

 

[Road]

Can Brazilians not purchase online on sites like Ebay and have it imported? Or would they somehow know and charge you the difference in customs duties or something?

Forgive me. I live in the US and AFAIK we don't really have import duties on foreign goods unless it's in quantities sufficient for resale. I could be wrong, about that but even if we do I doubt it would make anything nearly 5x as expensive.

Importing is cheaper. If you're taxed, you'll pay about 2x price + shipping, which is gonna be around $1000 at worst. And there's always the chance of not being taxed.

The downside is costumer support.


You can get cheap roundtrip air tickets for as low as $700, so travelling to buy one is also cheaper.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This applies to only some goods, but there's luxury import goods in Brazil that's taxed around 300+%.

It's a special tax for all imported electronic devices, and yes, it is ridiculous iirc.
(couple that with inflation of the currency too)

300+%?

Jesus Christ. That's insane.

 

[Frodo]

Why it cost so much more that One?
I believed that Sony would be aggressive in these markets.



Why being greedy in Brazialian market only? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense. In every other market PS4 cost less than Xbox One.
Also, brazialian vg market isn't even big enough to justify a greedy behaviour.

I've lived in Brazil and taxes would not make the price go that high alone.

This is what usually happens:

A rough estimation for the majority of eletronics that I buy here in Brazil (like consoles, PC parts, etc ) would be: price in USD x monetary conversion x 2 (for absurd taxes and stuff) = aproximate final price in R$ for us.

For example the XONE: U$499 x 2,20 x 2 = R$ 2.195, which is roughly the price of the pre-order here. But R$3.999??? Jeez..

 

[Polari]

That`s about the 360, no?

PS3`s are also manufactored in Brazil.

It's highly likely the PS4 will be at some point too, but it's probably not feasible for around launch. I'm guessing the price will drop then. Foxconn are currently building a plant in Brazil to sidestep tariffs.

 

[maouvin]

Thanks, based Sony BR!

Amazon, my credit card is ready. 800 USD with shipping and all taxes included, sail ho.
Such a bargain.

It's announced on the BR PSBlog too, btw.

 

[jonnyp]

Completely insane. Feel for you Brazilian bro's

 

[Daedardus]

300+%?

Jesus Christ. That's insane.

Well, it's not a single tax of 300% just on the device itself. Sony's Brazilian HQ likely get high taxes too, and all those other things. But I guess Sony added an extra 50% 'profit-tax' just for their own.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

Damn, And I though I had it bad for paying almost $1200 here in Argentina.

 

[cacildo]

One thing worst than gaming prices in brasil is the debate about game prices in brasil on the internet.

Nobody knows nothing, but everybody keeps yelling

 

[WeaponKnight]

I'm laughing so much right now. R$1000, right, Jack?

Time to buy plane tickets to my hometown! I get to buy the PS3 in Paraguay and visit the Iguaçu Falls and my aunt

 

[Chû Totoro]

gotta pay for this worldcup guys

Seriously, I feel sad for brazialian gamers but it seems that flight to US + US PS4 is going to be cheaper, no?

 

[Holygriever]

4K support for brazilian PS4 confirmed.

 

[LeeRoyBrown]

This is perfectly fine because Americans are paid less than Brazilians. I mean how many hours does an American need to work for a console in comparison to a Brazilian.

Probably a lot more.

Joke

 

[Sweep14]

C'mon people.

Why do you think Microsoft manufacture in Brazil?

Do you think Sony really want to price their console beyond the reach of 99% of Brazillian consumers?

Not to mention at almost twice the price of their competition?

But Sony manufacture PS3 in Brazil (Manaus) why can't it be the same for PS4 ?

 

[cyberheater]

How much are the games?

 

[Frodo]

gotta pay for this worldcup guys

Seriously, I feel sad for brazialian gamers but it seems that flight to US + US PS4 is going to be cheaper, no?

If you get cheap tickets, yes it will.

 

[Polari]

But Sony manufacture PS3 in Brazil (Manaus) why can't it be the same for PS4 ?

Probably too difficult at launch. I'm sure they will once global supply has stabilised.

 

[MutonCommander]

I'm guessing the Brazilian government is full of devoted PC gamers.

 

[Insane Metal]

Absolutely ridiculous. I was eagerly awaiting the PS4... but there's no way I'll pay that. XBone here I come.

 

[tioslash]

How much are the games?

Will cost about U$80-85 I think.

 

[maouvin]

R$1000, right, Jack?

I believed in João das Tretas :'(

At least on the part like "I know shit's expensive in Brazil, but let's try to make a fair price and all".

 

[Frodo]

How much are the games?

Acording to Playstation Brazil Blog, using today's conversion rate, it would cost US$82.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Another country with ridiculous rules in place which inflate the prices of these console through the roof.

 

[Brazil]

Larry Page & Sergey Brin.

40% Brazilian price cut for 360 as new factory opens

The 360 isn't the Xbox One. Sony manufactures the PS3 in Manaus, if that's where you're trying to get at.

Please don't spread misinformation.

 

[Satchel]

Fucking hell

 

[Lazaro]

Does Microsoft have a more positive image in Latino communities? It seems Microsoft does quite well in South America, Africa, Balkan countries, Russia etc. cause they seem to manufacture some of their products in such countries.

 

[Brazil]

Does Microsoft have a more positive image in Latino communities? It seems Microsoft does quite well in South America, Africa, Balkan countries, Russia etc. cause they seem to manufacture some of their products in such countries.

Definitely not in Brazil. We've always been Sonyland Lite.

 

[Tsundere]

Brazil has some insane policies regarding foreign electronics.

 

[LuuKyK]

Como amo viver nesse país.

300+%?

Jesus Christ. That's insane.

Yep, video games = gambling/casino machines according to our stupid government, so the taxes go up all the way.

But even then, they are probably producing it here, so it doesnt make sense. But yeah I remember people paying 4,500 us dollars for the ps3 when it launched here. Lmao

Sucks to live here if you are a gamer honestly. I will probably buy mine early next year when I am planning a trip to the US, will probably end up being cheaper overall. LoL

 

[betterman]

How can the PS4 cost more then the Xbox one? Kinect not included in Xbox one?

its not only more than xbox one...its almost two xbox one.