In which RPG are microtransactions integral? Doubly so when you can adjust difficulty. You can just put your 3DS in sleep mode if you really want to use this attack without paying.
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Bravely Default for the Sequel Microtransactions; Completion time cut from 70h to 30h
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In which RPG are microtransactions integral? Doubly so when you can adjust difficulty. You can just put your 3DS in sleep mode if you really want to use this attack without paying.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
The BD franchise started with much scummier "free" DLC campaigns in 2012, so pay2win DLC is definitely not surprising. As long as they don't add a "Bought pack of 10 SP drinks" achievement on the BDFF Members' Site in December, I don't mind it.
GasProblem
Member
Don't care about optional microtransactions and glad youre able to cut gametime from 70 hours to 30.
I'm not bothered tbh.
I'm not bothered tbh.
If it's about the micro transaction fair enough. However the game time seems to be, because of the many improvements. You can even control the random encounter rate afaik.
DrROBschiz
Member
You are part of the problem
You can streamline a game without taking the fun out of it
Pay to win is just sad
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Funny thing is you can pay to win normally at no "actual cost" using the merchant class.
How are they taking the fun out of anything? lol. This feature wasn't even in the original game.
GasProblem
Member
I'm not using the microtransactions and storywise everything will be the same.
I'd like to know how they cut the gameplay from 70 to 30 hours though. Just speeding up combat doesn't distract 40 hours.
Glass Rebel
Member
I guess I'm just too cynical to get mad at the microtransaction stuff
I'm just happy that I'm getting the game
I'm just happy that I'm getting the game
freezamite
Banned
I can't exactly think of what they could've changed in order to cut 40 hours of gameplay (maybe grinding for what I've read of iOS FFVI) but I wan't the option to play the game a la "old school".
Grinding is what makes those games RPG, if grinding it's not necessary because now the fights are balanced in order to progress flawlessly through the game... can we still consider this a RPG?
Grinding is what makes those games RPG, if grinding it's not necessary because now the fights are balanced in order to progress flawlessly through the game... can we still consider this a RPG?
What the hell? What was the last RPG you've played?
Grinding hasn't been an essential part of RPGs for a while now. Many RPGs these days are balanced well enough so you either don't have to grind or only need to grind minimally to get through them.
But you can adjust the difficulty and encounter rate, and even set your level to 1, so how easy or hard you want the game is up to you...
Grinding is rarely necessary in RPGs, it's just usually easier to blame your defeat on your level instead of your strategy.
You just said that one of the biggest annoyances in RPGs is actually what defines it as a genre. wat.
AtomskEater
Member
You totally have the option to play as it was originally released, well, with the expanded story content. They've added difficulty sliders, options for battle animation speed and random encounters, etc. all of which you can leave at a default level (or increase).
That's also kind of a weird way to define rpgs. There are some where grinding is nearly impossible, unneeded, or otherwise discouraged. I really like it when games have systems where you CAN grind to ease past tough obstacles, but otherwise you can just learn how to play the game well enough that you don't need to overpower an enemy with high levels.
The "what is an rpg?" discussion is one that I don't think ever had an agreed upon conclusion, though.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If RPG stood for Redundant Pathetic Grinding you might have a point. But it stands for Role Playing Game.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Just wait, they'll probably introduce something like a License Board in KHIII. Level up to have a new ability/skill available? Pay a License Fee via DLC to unlock said skill.
They're not yet. But given SE's insistence on becoming the next Gree, and all their bull talk about charging for games past the initial purchase doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
mullet2000
Member
...Except all the glitches that allow you to cheat.
RPGs are all about grinding levels and looting corpses guys, get real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loyOnhP9BiQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loyOnhP9BiQ
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Didn't care for tr DLC stuff but shortened play time sounds great!
Hopefully it can be done in under 30
Hopefully it can be done in under 30
brandonh83
Banned
I'm one of the least cynical people you'll ever know, and I'm almost at the point where I'm only looking forward to FF15 just to see how bad they can fuck it up.
I guess since this is a game that was already made, it might not be a big deal.
But my problem with microtransactions and the whole "if you don't like them, don't use them" approach, is I feel developers intentionally make the game slower or harder to try to get more people to utilize them. Doesn't mean I'll ever buy them, but sometimes you feel the game was made worse to try to incentivize others to buy things.
I wish Square had more confidence in a more option-restrained vision of the game. I don't like the idea of the difficulty sliders, player-adjusted encounter rates, Bravely Second; I dislike DLC adjusted gameplay experiences in any RPG--beyond the standard difficulty choice at the beginning of a New Game File, I'd prefer at least a more standardized, if not demanding and more investment-intensive experience. Though I do admit that the option Tales to adjust difficulty in the same file let me move from Moderate to Hard, so it's hard for me to argue that.
It's no accident that the goal of such moves meant towards accessibility is additional money/profitability.
It's no accident that the goal of such moves meant towards accessibility is additional money/profitability.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Zeyphersan
Banned
If the 30 hours gives the same enjoyment as 70 hours, what's the problem? Nothing was cut, and I certainly appreciate a crafted tight experience over one that drags for the sake of just being longer, which JRPGs do a LOT. A concise game that doesn't overstay its welcome and uses its time effectively is worth a lot more to me.
AtomskEater
Member
I agree, and feel like this is probably why I dislike most "f2p" stuff. It can be rather bothersome if the game is built around finding various ways to nickle and dime consumers, and I avoid those games entirely. For this particular instance (or something like SMTIV or Tales), the existence of the paid content doesn't seem to intrude much on the quality of the rest of the game.
Maybe SE is on some slippery slope of obscene microtransactions in the future. I sure hope not, though.
storafötter
Member
Are they serious you need to have the 3DS in sleep mode to regain SP?
That is just outrageous. SP is important to use at all times and not something that you should wait for in order to recover or refill.
That is just outrageous. SP is important to use at all times and not something that you should wait for in order to recover or refill.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Preparing the terrain for the inevitably iOS version.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Lightning is the face of Square Enix. Hence first option. :I
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think she is now the boobs of Square Enix.
This is the new battle system feature? Shitty mobile model attacks? Ugh, the way things are going in Japan with 3rd party publishers is really depressing. If the job system has been rebalanced to fit this new system I think I've just lost interest in this series.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Bravely Default is a 70 hours game? Well damn, it better be fucking awesome, I'm not ready for a new Persona 4 endless boring mess.
1. Only 20% did the true ending.
2. Nothing, they are actually adding content, it's faster now because you can do things much faster than before.
Seriously, just read the OP.
So much misinformation!
1. Only 20% did the true ending.
2. Nothing, they are actually adding content, it's faster now because you can do things much faster than before.
Seriously, just read the OP.
It will be interesting to see if the original game ends up being the preferred version in the long run. I thought the original game was a fantastic, epic old school JRPG. In fact, I had no real complaints and I loved every minute of it. It's easily the best JRPG on the 3DS or Vita. Now, the changes in the 'for the sequel' version initially sounded appealing, but if it's centered around a mobile-style cash-grab system, then I think this may turn off a lot of people.
Basically this. But people are making this into something bigger than it really is just to validate their dislike for SE.No content cut (there's even more!), won't ever touch the drink DLCs since they're optional, no problem for me then
It's almost like saying, "oh, since this game has an easy difficulty option, I'm not buying/paying full price for it."
I think SE is just now figuring out that a lot of people probably don't finish RPGs period.
I may not be remembering this correctly, but the stats Bioware released on Mass Effect 2's completion rates were somewhat surprising too (and you can blow through the main story of that relatively quickly; yeah, the comparison isn't direct since a lot more people bought ME2 than Bravely Default, but still).
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yep. All over the whole SP thing which you don't even need.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Game has all the content + new scenes, is the same game but just faster to play (battles are faster for example).
some people miss it.I do i prefer it to be balanced grinding like some of the DQ games on the snes era not like FF 2 or DQ1 where you spend obscene amounts grinding
But it seems a lot easier now (and from what I heard it was easy already). I'm not saying I wont buy it, but it's not day one anymore for me.