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Bravely Default for the Sequel Microtransactions; Completion time cut from 70h to 30h
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Velcro Fly
Member
As long as I can grind my entire party to max in every job I'm ok.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
This wouldn't be anything new, didn't Namco already do this for the Tales games?
Prince Vultan
Banned
lol, even retroactively shitting up games that are already done... Amazing.
GhostTrick
Banned
I think people here are overreacting about things they don't understand.
Yeah just read the whole article nothing bad is happening.
Avallon
Member
Huh. I wonder if the IAP stuff will be present in the Western versions, considering that Nintendo is handling it instead of SE.
Hopefully there won't be any annoying BUY DRINKS NOW!!! notificiations like in so many iOS games. As long as the "Bravely Second" mode is just on top of the original, I don't care for one bit.
However, it sets a sad precedent for the inevitable sequel. I fear that that one might be full of IAP stuff.
Hopefully there won't be any annoying BUY DRINKS NOW!!! notificiations like in so many iOS games. As long as the "Bravely Second" mode is just on top of the original, I don't care for one bit.
However, it sets a sad precedent for the inevitable sequel. I fear that that one might be full of IAP stuff.
Deified Data
Banned
The hell does that mean, nothing was cut? What occupied those 40 missing hours?
QuiteWhittle
Member
What's the point of the SP stuff if you can just slide down to easy and plow through bosses and obstacles at any time?
The satisfaction of MAXIMUM DAMAGE, I guess.
Also, I don't think you can tinker with the actual difficulty. You reduce the random encounters, but if you always set it to low, you might end up being terrible under-leveled? If so, the feature might come handy if you exploit the encounter rate too much.
PixyJunket
Member
The way some JRPGs flow so poorly (especially coveted PS1 era JRPGs), you could easily make mechanical upgrades to the various game systems without cutting any content to cut a typical completion time in half. That's certainly what it sounds like they did here, which is awesome, no game deserves seventy of my hours for bloat and poor design.
I'm not exactly sure why people are upset over this.
I'm not exactly sure why people are upset over this.
mullet2000
Member
Huh? It's completely ignorable in SMT.
Oh, so that's what the trademarks were for? What is Bravely Third then?
Also I don't understand the outrage over the IAP thing. You can put your 3DS in sleep mode to recover SP if you really want to use the Bravely Second move (which may not even be that useful). Or you can buy them. This isn't different from how Namco makes money and item DLC for Tales games. It should be safely ignorable.
Also only 20% of the people reaching the true ending is pretty sad, though not that surprising. I don't really mind that they made some storyline stuff optional as I plan to do all that stuff anyway.
It's not just mechanical fixes they made. Some parts originally part of the main storyline are now simply optional.
Also I don't understand the outrage over the IAP thing. You can put your 3DS in sleep mode to recover SP if you really want to use the Bravely Second move (which may not even be that useful). Or you can buy them. This isn't different from how Namco makes money and item DLC for Tales games. It should be safely ignorable.
Also only 20% of the people reaching the true ending is pretty sad, though not that surprising. I don't really mind that they made some storyline stuff optional as I plan to do all that stuff anyway.
It's not just mechanical fixes they made. Some parts originally part of the main storyline are now simply optional.
ss_lemonade
Member
So they have a reason to sell those SP drinks.
This is starting to look more like an ios/android game to me with the microtransactions
AtomskEater
Member
Seriously, sounds like they've just increased the number of options you have in how to approach the game. Don't like microtransactions? Don't buy any of that crap. Leave the difficulty sliders appropriately high, etc. You can now blast through or play slowly.
I just wanted the original Japanese game except in English. Am I'm I wrong in thinking that is not what is going to be released here. (please say yes).
As I've said before it can be omited it just an easy way to win a battle, a cheat nothing more. Yes it can lead to shit in future games but for this one it's not bad just a way to earn quick buck from lazy people.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You won't even need SP if you set up your party to be broken death machines and deal 9999 per attack.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Yes.
They added pay to win features for people who want to use it, and a difficulty slider. You don't have to use this stuff at all.
Glass Rebel
Member
You're getting the improved version with optional, ignorable stuff in English.
But feel free to overreact.
We're getting the upgraded version of this game with many new additions/fixes. It's better than the original version.
You'll be getting the Japanese version, except improved with additional options (like a slider to control the amount of random encounters), additional scenes, improved background graphics and apparently modified pacing.
Whether or not the IAP feature will be present in the Western version really remains to be seen. It's practicaly a Nintendo game over here and I'm not sure if they support IAP like that or not. We'll have to wait until the European release to get more info on that, I guess.
Edit: They actually released a list with a lot of changes a few weeks ago. It's important to mention that most of the time they really took fan feedback and fan requests to the heart, so it really seems like they mostly just responded to criticism.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
Man, what I would give to have snes/psx era square back. Those were the days.
For non-marshmellow eating kids, sure. That's not me though.
It's one of the reasons Demon's Souls on PS3 was better than Dark Souls on PC for me, no way to cheat on PS3.
This seems like the perfect game to relive those days though?
Restrain yourself breh.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
A whole lot of battle menu fiddling. A ton of random encounters. About 10 hours of you literally repeating the same thing over and over again after the first ending to get the real ending. If they smoothed out the battle menus, eased up on the random encounters (and adjusted exp gains accordingly), and tightened up that post-ending nonsense, I could see them easily cutting 20-30 hours.
GhostTrick
Banned
Basically, from what I understand, just don't touch the encounter slider, avoid Bravely Second and do all the quest. You should then have the same game as the japanese one.
fitzawesome
Banned
Why are people moaning about 40 hours of grinding being cut?
For people who think this was a bad move go back and try and beat the DS remake of FFIII. This makes the game even more appealing for me, now let's just hope the dubbing of the game isn't as bad as the trailer made it out to be.
For people who think this was a bad move go back and try and beat the DS remake of FFIII. This makes the game even more appealing for me, now let's just hope the dubbing of the game isn't as bad as the trailer made it out to be.
Choppasmith
Member
So, this is like Nintendo's Super Guide except it costs money. Way to go S-E -_-
Glass Rebel
Member
the struggle is real yo
Lord Ghirahim
Member
70 hours? I'm 50 hours in and I still haven't finished chapter 4. I think I wasted too much time trying to get the
support ability for all four characters :/
Also, both Bravely Second and the SP drinks sound completely optional and useless if you like some challenge.
Job Point Up
Also, both Bravely Second and the SP drinks sound completely optional and useless if you like some challenge.
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There's absolutely nothing to be depressed about.
S-E introducing one of the most heinous F2P monetization schemes in a retail title is rather depressing to me.
Yes yes, the game wasn't built around it, so it's optional. I know. For now.
I wonder what this means for the next Theatrhythm. That seems like a game they could easy built around this.
:lol :lol :lol
I'm much more worried if they start to add this IAP model to their home console games, like the next Deus Ex, or FFXV/KHIII.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Theatrhythm for iOS already happened.
Black Door
Banned
Square Enix thread.
Common sense is tied up in front of the pizza parlor while the rest of the body gets shoved in a cryo tube
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I've been looking forward to this game for a long time, but if the microtransactions prove to be integral to the game, I'm not buying this.
Linkstrikesback
Member
20% of players seeing the true ending actually sounds pretty high all things considered.
For a random example, Only 13.7% of cave story + players on steam have seen either of the real endings, and if you limit it to the true ending, it drops to less than 2.5%.
And cave story can be completed in an afternoon. So if a "70 hour" long game has a 20% completed rate, I'd say they did well!
For a random example, Only 13.7% of cave story + players on steam have seen either of the real endings, and if you limit it to the true ending, it drops to less than 2.5%.
And cave story can be completed in an afternoon. So if a "70 hour" long game has a 20% completed rate, I'd say they did well!
Yeah it's the first step of inevitable step towards destruction. Now I'm wondering if FFXV will stay safe.
Yeah, but this was about 3DS games.