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[Baconsammy]

There certainly is, although that doesn't mean Nintendo capitalizes on it particularly well for my tastes.

But yes, there very much is a reason why graphics can interfere with fun.

Fair warning: that GIF is approaching bannable status. I'd start slowing down with it.

That wasn't my point. The point is both can (and do) exist. And when it does exist, it's better than a game that's merely just fun, or merely just has great graphics. To your point, though, yes a good game can be hurt by a developer's quest to have amazing graphics (framerate etc). I was just saying that having one doesn't automatically mean you can't have the other, which is an odd argument some people seem to still make.

So what about the things you listed above are innovations exactly? Nintendo maybe behind the curve on many things, but I struggle to see where innovation is one of them. Online infrastructure, sure, but even that I see as just a natural progression of the industry rather than innovation.

Third party support is not innovation...

Current tech is not innovation...

Third party support isn't innovation, but the developer tools that generated that support sure are. XBL - huge innovation. Achievements also a huge innovation. An e-shop that features smaller, cheaper, downloadable games that all come with a demo to try out before buying is a wonderful innovation. Cross-game chat. The list goes on and on.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Fair warning: that GIF is approaching bannable status. I'd start slowing down with it.

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

 

[Blades64]

Fair warning: that GIF is approaching bannable status. I'd start slowing down with it.

That gif could have been a great bail out gif. Thanks for fucking it up.

It really could have been. Too bad it had to be so overused.

 

[xxracerxx]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

The threads it is constantly posted in.

It is becoming the . of responses.

.

 

[MisterHero]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

It might be people whose browsers slow to a crawl when any decent-sized GIF shows up.

Spoiler

like mine ;_;

 

[Hiltz]

How is the wii u actually doing right now?

- In the US, over 400k units were sold in the first week of release which consisted of Nintendo's entire allotment. Overall sales for November were 425k units. To compare, Xbox 360 sold 511k units in November 2005, Wii sold 476k units and PS3 with 197k units in November 2006

- In Japan, Wii U sold 308,570 units in its first two days of release during the weekend for December. Around a total of 630k units were sold in December according to Enterbrain sales data

- Wii U sales in UK during launch weekend were over 40k units sold

- For December, Wii U sold 460k units in the US. To compare, Xbox 360 sold 326k units in December 2005 , Wii sold 604,200 units and PS3 sold 490,700 units in December 2006

- In the US, Wii U has sold a total of nearly 890k units during the first 41 days

- The software attachment ratio is low with New SMBU accounting for over 65%. The game's sales in the US is over 580k copies as of December 29, 2012

- Due to Wii U's higher price point, it has generated revenue of over $300 million compared to Wii's $270+ million in the first 41 days

- The Deluxe SKU is the most popular SKU

- Wii U's US hardware sales outperformed that of Xbox 360 in 2005 and PS3 in 2006

- Wii U software sales have generally not performed well. Third-party ports in particular have sold poorly. Sorry, but I'm too lazy to look up all of the data. In Japan, New SMBU, MH3U HD, have been the best sellers so far (software sales have still been low overall, but this does not account for the bundles sales of MH3U HD Wii U Deluxe SKU ). In the US, none of the Wii U specific titles managed to make the top 10 chart for both November or December

- In the UK, Nintendo Land sales ranked 8th place followed by New SMBU in 15th place for December's weekend launch. ZombiU ended up in 39th place. No other Wii U made it on to the top 100 software chart

Iwata comments on Wii U sales performance in early January :

At the end of the Christmas season, it wasn't as though stores in the U.S. had no Wii U left in stock, as it was when Wii was first sold in that popular boom. But sales are not bad, and I feel it's selling steadily.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Thats design choices, nothing to do with graphics, where the gif is actually somewhat relevantly posted.

I don't understand this post. The scale of a game will have a direct impact on the quality of graphics(as will use of the pad), that is fairly obvious to me.

 

[ZaCH3000]

Why would anyone complain about this? Other than the sales not being the best the GameCube was an amazing console.

I support this message. The GC released F-Zero GX and released the best version of RE4 and Soul Caliber 2. Mario Sunshine, both Zelda's, the best Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, and a bunch of others made it a must have console for every gaming enthusiast. I even enjoyed the less known titles like Kirby's Air Ride and Phantasy Star Online.

Every game purchase was worthwhile, providing some of the most memorable experiences of the generation. I expect the same with Wii U. Unfortunately I don't plan on buying a Wii U for a number of years. First, I need a huge price drop. Second, a selection of great bundles. Third, improvements to online. And finally, that killer app capable of breaking my restraint.

 

[bobbychalkers]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

Its getting posted in every Wii U related thead even if its not being brought up. If this thread was about X or W101 or even a Wii U graphics thread then it would be ok to post them. I made some of the gifs you posted and I'm started to get annoyed by it.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

I could see it being bannable but yea it got offensive I guess.

 

[Blades64]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

It's becoming a drive by response that adds nothing to discussion.

 

[Malvingt2]

There isn't any "independent market".
Nintendo just do whatever they want regarding their videogame business.


Is this the answer to anything WiiU related now?

yes

What game is that?

X

 

[-MB-]

It's becoming a drive by response that adds nothing to discussion.

I know allot more shit in nintendo threads that add nothing to discussion either which are completely ignored.

 

[Reiko]

EDIT: Nevermind

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I don't understand this post. The scale of a game will have a direct impact on the quality of graphics(as will use of the pad), that is fairly obvious to me.

Whatever. I'm not going to even bother, because I'm sure you know where you're wrong.

 

[1st Course]

Forget about the graphics and the fancy tech, its their incompetence when it come to online services/games that will hurt them very badly if they didn't make enough changes fast.

 

[opticalmace]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

It's not even related to the OP. The OP is talking about the Nintendo Network and device ecosystems.

It seems to just derail discussion, IMO.

 

[ffdgh]

All due respect, but who is it hurting?

It's becoming spammy.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I know allot more shit in nintendo threads that add nothing to discussion either which are completely ignored.

Well... cant say your wrong lol

fake edit: Uh oh gif battle.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Its getting posted in every Wii U related thead even if its not being brought up. If this thread was about X or W101 or even a Wii U graphics thread then it would be ok to post them. I made some of the gifs you posted and I'm started to get annoyed by it.

Does that speak to a problem with the .gif, or the people responding negatively to it though?

I'm not a MOD so I get that it's not my call, it just feels kind of weird if nobody's allowed to see a particular moment of a game ever again because of factors that have nothing to do with it.

 

[RM8]

That wasn't my point. The point is both can (and do) exist. And when it does exist, it's better than a game that's merely just fun, or merely just has great graphics.

This is theory. Unless you can teach me how to play my DS games on my PS3... nope, on my PC at full native HD then yes, I pretty much have to choose between tech and fun when it comes to -tons- of games. It doesn't have to be that way but it is since Nintendo needs to sell weaker hardware, they realistically can't get into the tech-porn race again.

 

[Baconsammy]

Please, no gif wars. A mod already warned everybody. Don't get banned over this stuff.

This is theory. Unless you can teach me how to play my DS games on my PS3... nope, on my PC at full native HD then yes, I pretty much have to choose between tech and fun when it comes to -tons- of games. It doesn't have to be that way but it is since Nintendo needs to sell weaker hardware, they realistically can't get into the tech-porn race again.

It's a response to fans that crap on PCs or the supposed next gen consoles, intimating that people only want those because they prefer graphics over gameplay. That's patently false. Lots of people enjoy having both. It's OK to love my 3DS and the games on it, but it's not OK to say that someone who loves their Vita only loves it because the games look nicer. Perhaps they play really well too perchance?

 

[Duane Cunningham]

You have to admit, this post is FUNNY:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46894635&postcount=135


lol

 

[Clear]

The reality is that business analysts aren't "fans", its not their place to look at a platform and be optimistic in the face of probability.

Last time around the Wii, at face value, did not look like a world-beater. Nintendo essentially pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the huge impact of motion-gaming. Not making any judgements about the merits of that, just to say that it came out of left-field and nobody saw it coming. It surprised their competition, the business community, and wowed the public.

That's great for Nintendo, but how likely is it for them to repeat the trick? Especially when the popularity of Wii has waned so badly over the last two or so years suggesting that much of the momentum built-up by the brand has been lost.

Add to that the launch of Wii-U has been fairly unspectacular sales-wise, which is a questionable thing given the age of its competition.

Finally, both Nintendo's biggest competors are just starting to ramp up promotion for the imminent launch of their next generation offerings, both of which are almost certainly going to be far more powerful than the current line-up (Wii-U included).

Why would anyone, objectively, predict Nintendo to do that well under these circumstances? If this was a horse-race, what sort of odds do you think the bookies would be offering?

The simple fact is that analysts, like bookmakers don't set the odds to make you feel good, their purpose is to provide conservative estimates so as to minimize loss potential.

 

[The Adder]

Fun+graphics beats just fun every single time. There's no reason the two have to be mutually exclusive.

The number of gen VII titles I've loved vs the number of gen V or VI titles I've loved says that for me they don't have to be, but generally are (now at least)

 

[zruben]

Why is Nintendo refusing to follow industry norms and trends. When has that ever worked out for anybody?

emm... it works for them... just look at the nasty DS and Wii sales... those numbers are really obscene.

 

[bobbychalkers]

Does that speak to a problem with the .gif, or the people responding negatively to it though?

I'm not a MOD so I get that it's not my call, it just feels kind of weird if nobody's allowed to see a particular moment of a game ever again because of factors that have nothing to do with it.

Its not a problem with either, those gifs and the games have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I have started to hate this gif. It serves no purpose to any argument. It's the same as someone using Killzone 2's shooting animation gif as saying "LOL PS3 IS BEST!" whenever someone would say that PS3 ports are shittier than 360's.

EDIT:

Fair warning: that GIF is approaching bannable status. I'd start slowing down with it.

Thank you? Thank you.

 

[Zaventem]

Is this a meme now? Lol

It's the killzone 2 gif for nintendo fans.

 

[Blades64]

Third party support isn't innovation, but the developer tools that generated that support sure are.

Hmmm...fair point I guess, but I believe Nintendo also provides developer tools yes? What third parties do with them, well that's another story.

XBL - huge innovation. Achievements also a huge innovation.

XBL is really good. Definitely busted the doors for online infrastructure on consoles wide open, so I'll give you that. Nintendo is indeed behind when it comes to this. Achievements...well it's not my thing but I see why people would like it.

Although, I'd like to add that Miiverse is quickly become my favorite feature on the Wii U, so Nintendo isn't completely lost in the online thing. I can also see Wii U Accomplishments becoming a wide range thing on the console.

An e-shop that features smaller, cheaper, downloadable games that all come with a demo to try out before buying is a wonderful innovation. Cross-game chat. The list goes on and on.

Cross game chat is there. So I understand that. Demos for games though? Not so sure. I've been downloading demos for game for a long time before PSN, E-Shop, or XBL became a thing. Don't see why the size of the games would matter either.

 

[Version 3.0]

They want the Wii U to have SmartGlass? Good god, if there's one thing Nintendo does not need, it's more gimmicks. Let's just stick with games, please?

Why would anyone complain about this? Other than the sales not being the best the GameCube was an amazing console.

It sure was. It's my favorite of all time, and I'm old - first console was Pong. I'm totally cool with low sales if we get the incredible lineup of games that the Gamecube had.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Whatever. I'm not going to even bother, because I'm sure you know where you're wrong.

Your post genuinely made no sense to me.

 

[SolarPowered]

It's not even related to the OP. The OP is talking about the Nintendo Network and device ecosystems.

It seems to just derail discussion, IMO.

It went beyond that. It murdered this thread.

 

[joetachi]

It's the killzone 2 gif for nintendo fans.

yeah and i remember when they where banned...... oh right that never happend

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Fair warning: that GIF is approaching bannable status. I'd start slowing down with it.

"Nintendo behind the next gen curve; isolated from market"

As annoying as the gif maybe to see in every Wii U topic and is hardly the best looking Wii U capture IMHO, the gif was on topic. If the media continue to say Nintendo is behind the next gen curve and we on gaf keep posting threads about these articles, you can't really blame some hyped Nintendo fan for posting something they are proud to point to as an example that Nintendo is doing just what they expect.

Please ban a person posting this gif in a PS4 thread or any other fanboy vs fanboy thread but please consider allowing someone who does not agree with some article about Nintendo to express that in NeoGAF fashion.

As annoying as this gift is, every hyperbole Nintendo Doomed Article is seriously just as annoying.

 

[RM8]

The number of gen VII titles I've loved vs the number of gen V or VI titles I've loved says that for me they don't have to be, but generally are (now at least)

This is me. Generation 7 (strictly home-console-wise) was so disappointing in comparison with 6 and 5. I kind of want a WiiU and a PS4 in the future, but I'd be mostly okay with 3DS and PC this generation, I think.

 

[Darryl]

I have started to hate this gif. It serves no purpose to any argument. It's the same as someone using Killzone 2's shooting animation gif as saying "LOL PS3 IS BEST!" whenever someone would say that PS3 ports are shittier than 360's.

EDIT:



Thank you? Thank you.

just like the star wars 1313 "welcome to next-gen" gif

 

[Baconsammy]

Cross game chat is there. So I understand that. Demos for games though? Not so sure. I've been downloading demos for game for a long time before PSN, E-Shop, or XBL became a thing. Don't see why the size of the games would matter either.

Not just demos. Demos for EVERY single XBLA title. I wish I had that on every single platform. The innovation Nintendo brought us was a unified API to limit the number of times a consumer can start a demo on the 3DS or Wii U. They can't get an account system right, but they did that? Yeesh. Miiverse, you're right, is an honest-to-goodness gaming console innovation. I found it useful when I had a question/comment while playing a game, but otherwise it's just a giant, overly-modded echo chamber that I didn't see much use for. It'll probably become more useful once Nintendo works out the speed issues of the OS and it doesn't take 30+ seconds just to load Miiverse.

 

[Sean]

Smartglass doesn't have anything to do with XBL, does it? I thought that was just a local connection thing. Not sure why that's such a thing to live up to (also the only people I've ever seen give a fuck about SmartGlass are Microsoft PR, so yeah).

Playstation Mobile isn't amazing anyone either. I know they say as much in the article ("Neither of these solutions is significant at present") but at that point all you're saying is "Nintendo should also go in these unproven directions, even in the face of mass indifference".

It's a valid concern IMO. Apple just announced over 500 million iOS devices have been sold, and Google said a few months ago they're activating 1.3 million Android devices per day. Even though neither PS Mobile or Smartglass has been a huge success as of yet, it's very smart that Microsoft and Sony are beginning to tap into this massive userbase.

I think Microsoft in particular can be very agressive with Smart Glass - they could theoretically replicate a lot of the Wii U's functionality without requiring people to buy a new console (use your 360) or any hardware (use your iPad/tablet). With the hardware capabilities being similar they could get most of the Wii U ports on 360. And that could end up extending the 360's lifecycle a bit longer.

And it's not hard to imagine a scenario where Smart Glass is a requirement for all 720 games, where they'd all have some form of "second screen" experience. Suddenly Nintendo's biggest differentiator wouldn't be as big of a selling point anymore.

 

[QaaQer]

It's becoming a drive by response that adds nothing to discussion.

yeah, File Under: Spam

 

[mentalfloss]

 

[Verendus]

lol worthy X gif

Your gif is of what? Sorry? Something that is supposed to be next generation?

 

[Refreshment.01]

Well, Miiverse is coming to Smartphones.
Baby steps, Nintendo...baby steps.

Also...

"Nintendo is DOOOOMED!"

Where have I heard that one before...

Well not doomed but:

Baby steps, Nintendo...baby steps.

 

[mentalfloss]

Your gif is of what? Sorry? Something that is supposed to be next generation?

Are these supposed to be remarkably impressive?

 

[BlockheadBrown]

We should stop giving articles like this views.

^^^ This. Wholeheartedly, this.

 

[Darryl]

Your gif is of what? Sorry? Something that is supposed to be next generation?

because those images are just bursting at the seams with fun gameplay

 

[mentalfloss]

because those images are just bursting at the seams with fun gameplay

Seriously.

Might as well go camping if you want to see generic forest#34203948234

 

[Zaventem]

That gif really did change the"i don't care about graphics" wii fans perception.The true colors are showing.How much do you want to bet you'll see the former "i don't care about graphics" nintendo camp jump back to that slogan when the other consoles launch.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Are these supposed to be remarkably impressive?

tag quote

 

[Baconsammy]

Nintendo either lacks the manpower or the initiative to do what the article writer is asking. And quite frankly what he's asking is something shareholders asked for years ago. There's no reason Nintendo couldn't hire a team to create an iOS/Android initiative. What Nintendo fan wouldn't love an official Nintendo app that constantly updated with new trailers, news, interviews etc. What Nintendo fan wouldn't enjoy game-specific tie-in apps that were both fun and raised awareness of the 3ds/Wii U game? Marketing, Nintendo. Do you know of it? The avenues are definitely open to them if they felt like using it.