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[Omnipunctual Godot]

Cool! Considering they haven't started on it, maybe they will have it by the ps7 launch.

Yeah, they should get Bluepoint right on tha- oh wait

 

[Gamer79]

I mean, with this whole negative response to their recent announcements with digital-only future, well, is that it?

Are we at the point where, just like when someone mentions an Xbox, and / or anything, or anyone related to it, there will be reactions with countless laughing emojis?

Did you ever think Sony was your friend? We have not seen the Sony of the good ole days this decade. RIP the peoples champ Sony and welcome Greedy anti consumer Sony.

 

[Fess]

This isn't just about digital though. Gaas and pisspoor first party output have been common complaints about Sony all generation long. They way they went about cutting off physical disc for PS5 was just the final straw for a lot of us.

But we are going to point out "dramatic cunts" then let's start with the over the corporation defense being put on display. Fucking cringe man

I too think the core fans will stick around. It's too big of a step to pull out now.

But they have to go through all the 5 stages of grief first.
Denial > Anger > Bargaining > Depression > Acceptance.
They're still in the anger phase.

Eventually we'll see them construct a reason why it's not the end of the world anyway.

And so on.

I just think it's kinda brutal of Sony to do this to their core fans. They made such a big deal of doing physical the right way during the PS4 generation. They essentially made physical a reason to choose PlayStation over anything else and made their fans really champion physical and invest in it. Fans has since then used retail sales as a showcase how big PlayStation is and has mocked Nintendo for the key card thing and so on, physical the right way has essentially been a pillar for their core fans.

Then they pulled the rug under their feet.

And no rumors or anything to make fans get adjusted to this ahead of the announcement. It just came out of nowhere. Brutal!


To be honest, Microsoft should've been first to announce this. They barely exist in retail anyway. Some stores don't stock XBOX at all. An announcement would've still made a splash on social media but not nearly like what we see now for Sony. For XBOX fans it's not nearly as big of a deal, majority are already digital and using subscriptions, similar to how music is consumed, and many have one leg in the PC space already where digital is the norm.
Microsoft also have that transfer solution cooking that Jez talked about, where you can turn a disc into a digital license. Moving to digital feels like a natural progression there. But I guess Microsoft is still scared to do anything with that after the Xbox One PR fiasco.

 

[Edgelord79]

Hmmm... you see, statements like these are disingenuous. Why?

Because it makes no mention of the fact that the super expensive $135 (PS+E) you pay every year isn't just for online gaming. If you had to tell the truth and also mention that you get 150 games each year too, you probably wouldn't be saying that.

But yh, let's just pretend that all you get for that subscription is to play online.

This is also disingenuous.

You should mention those 150 games come with a caveat and that is that you need to keep the subscription alive to access them.

 

[Bojji]

Where I live is the complete opposite (Brazil), I frequently find Sony physical games for a LOT less than their digital counterparts (which are always expensive and rarely get discounts that makes them cheaper than physical copies).

Exactly, physical games can be cheaper then games on PSN sales.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

This is also disingenuous.

You should mention those 150 games come with a caveat and that is that you need to keep the subscription alive to access them.

Call it a rental or whatever but just like with gamepass albeit to a lesser extent the online services have saved me 100s if not 1000s a year with all the free games they throw at me its comical to me when people bring it up as a negative

 

[Edgelord79]

Call it a rental or whatever but just like with gamepass albeit to a lesser extent the online services have saved me 100s if not 1000s a year with all the free games they throw at me its comical to me when people bring it up as a negative

Nobody brought it up as a negative. Was just pointing out that it wasn't fully factual.

 

[Bojji]

This is also disingenuous.

You should mention those 150 games come with a caveat and that is that you need to keep the subscription alive to access them.

They also remove games every month.

I had to play Persona 4 crazy fast because it was not only counting in game days but also days left on PC game pass lol

 

[Puscifer]

This dude's behavior over on icon era made me realized why he's banned. He's honestly unwell - his well being is directly tied to PlayStation and I wonder if he's on Adderall or Straterra because dude can spend 8+ hours locked in fighting for Sony.

 

[peronmls]

Billion/millionaire company's and CEOs are not your friend. They make money off of scamming, cutting corners, raising prices, make their own terms and definitions, and lower wages of their workers. They are billion/millionaires because they have no morals and want money and more money.

 

[IDKFA]

Enemy is a bit strong.

I won't get upset over Sony's decisions. I'll just choose not to spend my money with them. Simple.

 

[peronmls]

Yes. Now protest the end of physical games by switching to an all digital platform on pc.

Yeah if there is a choice there is a right way to go digital and it is PC. Consoles don't have exclusives any more and everything is multiplatform. Plus emulation. Seriously. What is the point of a console anymore?

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[Aressa]

The PS brand has been living off the 2013 Xbox online DRM debacle since then.

Funny thing is MS reversed it so it never even happened. Yet gamer sentiment still lingers to this day as random people will still bring it up once in a while.

Well look at that, Sony is the same boat. But they stretched out the good PR they got above. But now it's time to dip their toes into heavy anti-consumer tactics since they believe Xbox is done. And Nintendo is their own universe. So now is the right time to strike thinking it's still a slam dunk over Xbox. So gamers will just give in as a gimme.

This time Sony did a triple crown of anti-consumer digital schemes in the same week...... deleted movies off people's accounts, shut down PS3/Vita stores, and no more game discs in 2028.

I want to see how ballsy gamers are who hated Xbox 2013 to do the same with PS. Espeecially if they plan to go through with it. At least MS reversed it by launch. So even if Sony reverses it and adds discs and disc drives again, the intent was still there. And publicly stated too 18 months away from it happening.

The PS brand has been living off the 2013 Xbox online DRM debacle since then.

Funny thing is MS reversed it so it never even happened. Yet gamer sentiment still lingers to this day as random people will still bring it up once in a while.

Well look at that, Sony is the same boat. But they stretched out the good PR they got above. But now it's time to dip their toes into heavy anti-consumer tactics since they believe Xbox is done. And Nintendo is their own universe. So now is the right time to strike thinking it's still a slam dunk over Xbox. So gamers will just give in as a gimme.

This time Sony did a triple crown of anti-consumer digital schemes in the same week...... deleted movies off people's accounts, shut down PS3/Vita stores, and no more game discs in 2028.

I want to see how ballsy gamers are who hated Xbox 2013 to do the same with PS. Espeecially if they plan to go through with it. At least MS reversed it by launch. So even if Sony reverses it and adds discs and disc drives again, the intent was still there. And publicly stated too 18 months away from it happening.

Power corrupt. That's what happens when you put Sony without competition and a western focused leadership.

 

[Aressa]

Yes. Now protest the end of physical games by switching to an all digital platform on pc.

You think you're being clever with (digital is digital) argument but you're missing the point. On Steam a refund is a button. On PS store the second you hit download your money is gone. PC lets you shop around across different stores for the best price and code sites. Sony forces you into a single monopoly. Sony lacks basic standard consumer features dude.

 

[yogaflame]

Yes. By the way I notice anyone who becomes leftist like sony now on a leftist and woke and dei infested california head quarters, they become not just sick mind but also cowards.

 

[_oni_]

These billion dollar companies were never your friends...it's just business

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

No.

And I was a Sony fan.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Yeah if there is a choice there is a right way to go digital and it is PC. Consoles don't have exclusives any more and everything is multiplatform. Plus emulation. Seriously. What is the point of a console anymore?

Keeping the industry you love alive...unless you just want a bunch of indies

 

[PeteBull]

about 80% of people who complained about the dickless future of PlayStation, just bought a dickless GTA VI on PS5 so.. I dunno..

The issue here was never physical vs. digital vs. streaming.. that's just a red herring designed to blur folk from the true war that's going on. DR-fucking-M, and the sheer lack of digital consumer rights in our space.

That is what must be contested at all costs. Stop Killing Games is the first real push here, but we need many others.

Honestly, I don't understand how gamers as a community haven't all bandied together to take these corporates down.

I don't even think it'd be that hard. You only really need to get the EU to put laws in place. The rest will follow.

15% of games are bought physically but that doesnt mean its 15% of playerbase, its well above that, and no, physical only buyers didnt preorder gta6 didgitally, hell most of digital only buyers didnt either.
Since xbox is irrelevant lets focus on playstation here, roughly 95m ps5 units in the wild atm, how many of those are physical only u think, 20-30m? And how many of the rest preordered gta6 digitall? 60-70m?
Spoilers: gta5 sold combined on ps360 about 40m copies, on ps4 its most sold game and yet still below 25m copies (official data)..

List of best-selling PlayStation 4 video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So knowing that how many out of 95m ps5 userbase preordered gta6 digitally? 5-10m max, likely not even that... Remember we got 0 gameplay and not even 3rd gta6 trailer, so its logical most ppl who will want to play that game even day1 still wait till we see 3rd trailer and proper gameplay...

TLDR: Bestcase scenario 10m gta6 digital only preorders on ps5(more realistic above 5m below 10m tho), that still leaves over 85m of ps5 playerbase who didnt.

 

[Hudo]

Companies are always your "enemy" in the sense that their only interest is to maximize their extraction of your money. Treat them as what they are. Not your friends, not your "tribe" or whatever. Just businessmen and shareholders trying to get your money.

 

[Spyxos]

No.

They know you'll get over it, quit being dramatic and buy it anyway.

Once again, everyone clutching pearls right now will be buying a PS6.

Sony is not buying the dramatics.

I dont think i am gonna get a ps6. They'd have to really blow me away. And I have had every PlayStation. And then there is the price as well.

 

[Life Diff]

The crazy thing is none of these companies are you friends or enemies. The issue is thinking that way to begin with.

 

[Jetpac]

Arrogant Sony has returned.

 

[djjinx2]

Call it a rental or whatever but just like with gamepass albeit to a lesser extent the online services have saved me 100s if not 1000s a year with all the free games they throw at me its comical to me when people bring it up as a negative

#MSToo

 

[Damigos]

Sorry, but no.
We are our own enemies, as people voted with their wallet for years

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

This is also disingenuous.

You should mention those 150 games come with a caveat and that is that you need to keep the subscription alive to access them.

Errr... that goes without saying, doesn't it? The "subscription" is what gives you online play. The same "subscription" is what gives you 150 games. No subscription, no online play. No subscription, no games.

A subscription means you pay for something recurrently. Someone said you need to pay a subscription to get online play, I said that subscription also gets you 150 games. i don't see your point.

Its a package deal... I don't see what sense theer is in pointing out that you need to keep the sub to get the games; don't you also need to keep the sub to get online play? Isn't that what a subscription is? You still have access to Amazon Prime features, or Netflix if you cancel your subscription?

We are talking about a subscription; that member just mentioned that it gives you online play, but failed to mention that it also gives you 150 games a year... and I think the 150 games a year is kinda a big deal, as for most people, that tends to justify the subscription.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

You just answered your own question. They are switching off physical retail because it provides competition to PS store. The move is beneficial to Sony and detrimental to the consumer.

The risk for Sony long-term is it moves them closer to being forced to allow third party stores on PS.

Well... I believe Sony will still make physical codes available to retailers (third-party stores) in some form of packaging to sell. Like amazon, gamestop...etc. It still means they don't have to worry about second-hand sales if those codes are single-use or tied to an account, but it also means other stores can sell them. Kinda the same way GTA6 has a code in the box.

Doesn't mean it doesn't still suck, but that makes it suck just as much as Steam, cause its the same concept, just that where Steam has other sites online that sell keys, PlayStation would have retail outlets that does the same.

 

[MagnesD3]

Yes the signs have all been there for a while. They have been strategically trying to change their core audience so they can do this.

 

[Toots]

 

[Liopleurodon]

Did you ever think Sony was your friend?

Yes.

 

[Lillie]

And that is all just nonsense, like grasping at straws, or pushing a totally outlandish false narrative to make a point.... curated games? Don't wanna play them?... we can't talk about deals on one hand and then chastise someone else for giving you 150 games every year for $135.

Curated or not, that's 90 cents per game. And how many people really pay for that service and don't play at least 2 or 3 of those games each year?

You get everything you have "purchased" in your library, as long as you have the subscription active, and the game hasn't been taken out of rotation. And that's fair, its like being a member at a video club or something, or like renting a game.

So you can choose to look at it as if you are paying to play online, because you will not play ANY of the games they put on there. Or you can choose to look at it as, I can play online, and I get lots of games too.

and how do you factor in the 2 free games you get a week (and daily games in December) on the epic store without paying a subscription or needing to pay for an active subscription to access them? Will you still defend the cost to play online with Sony?

 

[PaintTinJr]

Sorry, but no.
We are our own enemies, as people voted with their wallet for years

We certainly did by buying consoles with physical media options -even now - at at least 85% to15%

 

[saintjules]

No. Everyone is just pretending to be upset. All those people making a big deal of not buying the PS6 will adjust and buy the PS6.

They say they won't, but even they know they will.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

and how do you factor in the 2 free games you get a week (and daily games in December) on the epic store without paying a subscription or needing to pay for an active subscription to access them? Will you still defend the cost to play online with Sony?

Yes I will... different sts, different platforms, different businesses...etc. You don't have to like it, you don't have to use it, it doesn't have to be the best service in the world. But its simply what it is.

Epic gives stuff each week that you can keep permanently, but only available to claim in that week. Valve doesn't give away anything to that effect, but allows third-party store Steam key sales, which translates to great deals. PS has you paying online, but give you 150 games every year along with that subscription. Nintendo makes you pay to play online at $20 a year and gives you access to a rotating catalogue of retro games.

Why are you even comparing them? These are all legitimate, practical business models or systems. Like, I do not see the sense in the comparison. It's silly to say shit like, well, on this open platform you don't have to pay to play online, but on this closed platform you do, and then just ignore what else they give you with that offering. If you don't like it, or you don't see the value in it, simply do not use it. I mean, regardless of all the free stuff Epic gives, it doesn't stop almost 80% of the PC gaming space from still preferring Steam, does it?

Like if you want to do this, you can really start drilling through the differences between services/stores/platforms, and quickly find that they all have their pros and cons. Eg. You can share your entire digital library on PlayStation; you can't do that on the Epic Store, or you can pay up for the teir on PS+ that gives you cloud streaming; you cant do that on the Epic Store. Epic Store has 2 games at the most on any given week available for you to claim; you don't get it and its gone. PS+ has over 500 games available at any time you have an active subscription, with games typically staying on there in rotation for at least a year.

I could go on, but the point is that there will always be value in things that have value to you, if it doesn't, then there really is nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise, and thats fine. But ist ridiculous to feel that because you see no value in something, then everyone else doesn't too and everyone should do what you think instead. And speaking for myself, I can say this much: the amount of games I play each year on PS+, more than justifies the sub to me.

On consoles, you pay to play online... something NO ONE can attempt to do on PC because that's an open platform. On consoles, that subscription to pay only usually have perks and benefits, be it different store prices, free games, game streaming, cloud saves... whatever. You can't look at the thing that is free on PC in that package and ignore the rest of the package. Like be honest, if you paid $135 in a year for something, and doing so allowed you get 20 games that would have otherwise cost you $200.... can you legitimately say there is no value in that for you?

 

[simpatico]

To be honest, Microsoft should've been first to announce this.

Microsoft repaid Sony for the PS4 run-up by letting Sony announce the physical game futures for both consoles.

We certainly did by buying consoles with physical media options -even now - at at least 85% to15%

Last gen it became the accepted norm and expectation that physical games be largely unplayable without an internet connection for downloading patches. If you were buying PS4 games on disc, you contributed to that.

 

[reezoo]

Sony is in 'maximize shareholder equity' mode given not much competition left.

 

[GymWolf]

They stopped being my """""""""""""""friend""""""""""""""" since horizon\gow crossgen and the we believe in generations bullshit.

 

[Fess]

This dude's behavior over on icon era made me realized why he's banned. He's honestly unwell - his well being is directly tied to PlayStation and I wonder if he's on Adderall or Straterra because dude can spend 8+ hours locked in fighting for Sony.

Is he defending the ending of physical or downplaying it's consequences?

I'm not too surprised tbh. As said before, for longtime fans it's quite a big step to pull out of the ecosystem at this point. Some have thousands of dollars invested in the brand, decades of investment. How many are for real willing to pull out and start over elsewhere now? We'll see.

And if they move to PC it means accepting the high cost of hardware. Bad timing, prices are insane right now. Plus repurchase games and start over with no save transfer. And moving to XBOX ain't happening. And Nintendo isn't the same market.

Core PS fans have no smooth way to tackle this, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Fess]

Microsoft repaid Sony for the PS4 run-up by letting Sony announce the physical game futures for both consoles.

They've definitely been dodging it, deliberately, and look how silent they are, they're enjoying the heat Sony is getting over this.

But MS have started to carve out a way forward through PC, and their supposed hybrid thing. The natural progression for XBOX is to move over to PC and let "XBOX" be a launcher. And the transfer of discs to digital licenses. Only question is if they scrap some of the plans and let Helix get a disc drive just because of this noise. It wouldn't surprise me. Sony just saved them a PR crash and "We hear you" situation.

 

[simpatico]

They've definitely been dodging it, deliberately, and look how silent they are, they're enjoying the heat Sony is getting over this.

But MS have started to carve out a way forward through PC, and their supposed hybrid thing. The natural progression for XBOX is to move over to PC and let "XBOX" be a launcher. And the transfer of discs to digital licenses. Only question is if they scrap some of the plans and let Helix get a disc drive just because of this noise. It wouldn't surprise me. Sony just saved them a PR crash and "We hear you" situation.

I wondered the same thing, but I bet Sony is the one who prints Xbox blu-ray discs. IDK how that might complicate matters here as I'd expect that entire operation to wind down. I bet there's a timeline internally for when they plan to stamp their last blu-ray anything already on the calendar.

 

[Puscifer]

Is he defending the ending of physical or downplaying it's consequences?

I'm not too surprised tbh. As said before, for longtime fans it's quite a big step to pull out of the ecosystem at this point. Some have thousands of dollars invested in the brand, decades of investment. How many are for real willing to pull out and start over elsewhere now? We'll see.

And if they move to PC it means accepting the high cost of hardware. Bad timing, prices are insane right now. Plus repurchase games and start over with no save transfer. And moving to XBOX ain't happening. And Nintendo isn't the same market.

Core PS fans have no smooth way to tackle this, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

He's fighting for the death of physical media and saying those who aren't agreeing are luddites. It's kind of unreal...

Personally I say stick with what you have, that's just the easy option.

 

[EverydayBeast]

SONY:

 

[Plague Doctor]

SONY:

Also, live video of Sony Exec watching this news

 

[Edgelord79]

Errr... that goes without saying, doesn't it? The "subscription" is what gives you online play. The same "subscription" is what gives you 150 games. No subscription, no online play. No subscription, no games.

A subscription means you pay for something recurrently. Someone said you need to pay a subscription to get online play, I said that subscription also gets you 150 games. i don't see your point.

Its a package deal... I don't see what sense theer is in pointing out that you need to keep the sub to get the games; don't you also need to keep the sub to get online play? Isn't that what a subscription is? You still have access to Amazon Prime features, or Netflix if you cancel your subscription?

We are talking about a subscription; that member just mentioned that it gives you online play, but failed to mention that it also gives you 150 games a year... and I think the 150 games a year is kinda a big deal, as for most people, that tends to justify the subscription.

I didn't read the entire context of the converastion. My bad!

 

[Hudo]