GymWolf
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And some fuckers in here told me this game look bad now because it doesnt have all the fancy lights and shadowsHorizon Forbidden West has some amazing animals details. I took some screenshots a few years ago:
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GymWolf
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13 years old game btw.
Cr1ptkeeper
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I don't get the praise of AC Shadows. Sometimes it looks good but most of the time it looks mediocre. This is how it looks on PS5 Pro
Meanwhile in Yotei
Meanwhile in Yotei
Cr1ptkeeper
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Also Dead Space Remake still looks good on PS5! Shame it never got a Pro patch...
coachmcguirk91
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It has incredible art design to go with it. There are very few moments where the game ever looks flatAnd some fuckers in here told me this game look bad now because it doesnt have all the fancy lights and shadows
GymWolf
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I neer liked the indoors except some cauldrons, i guess that is where the light system show the side...
But outdoors, maxed out in 4k with good hdr i still think SOMETIMES IN THE RIGHT CONDITIONS it battle with the best open world around even today and i'm gonna die on this hill, there are legit moments where horizon look better than shadow or cyberpunk or anal wake 2 or avowed ot whatever, fucking fight me
Minari
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yotei is a stellar looking game even on base ps5. i actually never played it on pro but i might do a ng+ run on the pro. i got the plat aswell. game is sooo beautiful.I don't get the praise of AC Shadows. Sometimes it looks good but most of the time it looks mediocre. This is how it looks on PS5 Pro
Meanwhile in Yotei
GymWolf
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Doesn't look as good as turdisto protoshit (except the monsters) but it is such an immensely superior game.Also Dead Space Remake still looks good on PS5! Shame it never got a Pro patch...
Great remake if you ask me.
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GymWolf
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Shadows, like cyberpunk, is one of those games that never remotely looked as good in my oled like some of the pics i saw here, maxed out in 4k on pc, but it look much better than yotei except cutscenes, console version is probably heavily gimped.I don't get the praise of AC Shadows. Sometimes it looks good but most of the time it looks mediocre. This is how it looks on PS5 Pro
Meanwhile in Yotei
Run the fuck away
Gonzito
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I don't get the praise of AC Shadows. Sometimes it looks good but most of the time it looks mediocre. This is how it looks on PS5 Pro
Meanwhile in Yotei
This is so disingenuous lol
Critical Hit
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It comes from the PC version with ray tracing.
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MDSLKTR
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On PC maxed out, it's a top 5 best-looking game of this gen for me, on par with DeS. The beauty is in the density and too much detail gets lost at console resolutions. And it's criminal that they had to cut the promised interactive smoke tech because of the potato drm appliancesAlso Dead Space Remake still looks good on PS5! Shame it never got a Pro patch...
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Cr1ptkeeper
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But it does look like that a lot of the time on console. So does SW Outlaws which uses the same engine.
Like other say, it probably looks stellar on PC with path tracing but I've only played it on console.
Bojji
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SW Outlaws uses different engine.
Negotiator101
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Well it doesn't look that great anymore does it?And some fuckers in here told me this game look bad now because it doesnt have all the fancy lights and shadows
One of the best remakes ever IMO.
Cr1ptkeeper
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Oh, that's right, my bad!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Comparison pics dont really make sense. there is no interior shot for yotei and no trees.I don't get the praise of AC Shadows. Sometimes it looks good but most of the time it looks mediocre. This is how it looks on PS5 Pro
Meanwhile in Yotei
the trees are complete garbage in yotei. more pics here:
AC shadows does have issues. its not perfect. it looks really bad in autumn unless they turn on wind and volumetric fog effects. Same goes for night time.
But overall, its interiors look absolutely stunning thanks to way higher quality assets and lighting. its lighting looks a generation ahead outdoors as well. its brighter, more colorful, with more depth and way better bounce lighting off the grass than yotei. its wind physics impact the leaves and trees far better than yotei.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
HFW is really good at close field detail. Not so great at draw distances. even mid distance. its still sonys best looking game six years into the gen which means it did do a lot of great things like this, but it also means other sony studios became way too lazy.Horizon Forbidden West has some amazing animals details. I took some screenshots a few years ago:
ChiefDada
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I don't think Yotei is as bad overall as some of Slimy's captures might suggest but it is still unacceptable for a current gen game from one of Sony's top Studios.
It didn't have to be like this though. Every time I play through the cutscenes I'm reminded of what the game could have looked liked. You cant convince me that the Pro couldn't have run a 30fps mode at the same level as the cinematics.
It didn't have to be like this though. Every time I play through the cutscenes I'm reminded of what the game could have looked liked. You cant convince me that the Pro couldn't have run a 30fps mode at the same level as the cinematics.
viveks86
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It can't. Their cinematics are carried entirely by fixed artificial lights that don't exist in the game world. It's not possible to light actual gameplay like that where you can move or look in any direction.
For their next game, SP needs to get full blown RTGI in place (not just sun/moon, but all light sources) and get rid of their bakes and software probes that override everything most of the time. They should also start looking at some nanite-like system so they can crank up asset geometric complexity, especially for their trees and rocks. And have real IK and combat physics, instead of canned animations. They have a long way to go before their gameplay can match cinematics on any hardware, let alone the Pro.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
death stranding 2 had the same issue. same goes for wolverine. looks amazing in cutscenes. like garbage made by talentless hacks during gameplay.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its a very cool looking game thats actually fun to play. the story cutscenes are really good. but its just very samey.
its even worse during combat. the dreaded purple color is used to show damage markers and other effects that take up literally the entire screen. another game ruined by the purple brigade.
it does feel like that most of the time. the level design is extremely vertical with many buildings have 5-10 different levels where you can fight. it should be cool, and at times its definitely fun to fight in these levels, but it also lacks coherency like you said. No single area stands out. everything just feels like a mishmash and blends together.
doesnt help they are using UE4 instead of UE5 which means a lot of very low LOD objects everywhere. Where again, nothing really stands out despite the game world being incredibly dense and full of small details.
jason recently interviewed several lead designers on this game, and they said that execs would come in and ask them to monetize everything. the levels had to be designed to make sure they were replayable. they were told to design everything with monetization in mind. the execs ruined that game. playing it you can tell the talent is still at rocksteady. the combat is tight, fun, and frantic. the traversal is fun. the world despite feeling a bit too samey is fun to traverse. the boss fights are great, and the cutscenes are very well directed and acted. but there is only so much devs can do when every single decision made is to ensure they extract the most money from consumers.
March Climber
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These games could theoretically all look cutscene-level when they all get the eventual PS6 graphical bump.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
no they wont. they lack the materials, the lighting, the assets to get any bumps from a future path tracing patch.
also path tracing builds on ray traced gi, and aside from yotei, no other sony game features it. and yotei has such trash lighting that rtgi couldnt fix it, and certainly no amount of bounces from path tracing on ps6 can fix it either.
March Climber
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There's always a chance imo.
They even did some touch ups for PS4 games to PS5 editions that I didn't think would get touchups. Not just lighting but textures too.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
what games are these? all the remasters just increased the resolution and fps. only tlou1 and horizon 1 remakes got new textures and lighting, and even they didnt add ps5 quality assets, geometry, or lighting. tlou1 got tlou2 assets and lighting. horizon 1 got hfw assets and lighting.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Went back to AC shadows to wash off the awful taste of yotei, and even in the least attractive autumn season, the game looks great.
i love the way sunlight bounces off her clothes and hair. love the volumetric fog and wind effects. its beautiful even at its worst.
i love the way sunlight bounces off her clothes and hair. love the volumetric fog and wind effects. its beautiful even at its worst.
viveks86
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Yep. It won't just not fix it. It could make it a lot worse. The moment they get rid of lightmaps, the game will look entirely different and would have to be relit from scratch. The BVH will have to be redone throughout the game as well. Bolting on PT is not an easy task if the game wasn't built with it in mind even when GI isn't baked. Yotei is baked to hell and back. There is literally only 3 or 4 times of day for each region because of how fixed the GI bake is. They just move Sun position and shadow angles between each setting while the ambient lighting itself doesn't change at all. Can't do any of that with PT, so nothing will look the same. Game could be pitch dark and unplayable in some areas as it wasn't designed with PT in mind, cut scenes may get over bright with all the artificial lights bouncing around etc.
I can see cross gen games getting PT as they will plan for all that in advance. But patches for older games? Unless they plan to release a whole new SKU, it's unlikely imo.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
My captures are from the game running on the pro ray tracing mode at 60 fps. i dont think pssr 2.0 is working all that great here. especially when i start riding on a horse, the game turns into a shimmering mess. PSSR just isnt good at resolving detail. it looks much better at the 30 fps mode which i assume is running at 30 fps. the game still has a lot of the same issues, but it at least looks clean in motion. First DS2 looked way better in the 30 fps mode on the pro, and now this. i think we need PSSR3.0.
is there a way to turn off the stupid black bars while riding your horse? also, i need to change the weather. looks way better with clear skies. google says you can set the time to morning when fast traveling but im not seeing the option.
Gonzito
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if i remember correctly there was a dedicated button for that, L3 or R3
March Climber
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You asked the question and then answered it lol.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
But neither game proves your point though. They do not feature next GEN lighting or NexGen assets. They are both essentially crossing games despite being labeled as next gen only. They could've featured retraced G.I. or virtualized geometry, but they did not so why do you think that the ps6 versions of these games will push path racing or any kind of next gen tech.
Their remakes are just as lazy as their other games. That is not going to change next GEN. Just look at the remake of black flag. They used modern RTGI, RT reflections, visualized geometry, etc. In this remake from the anvil engine. Rayman devs are using snowdrop to push ray tracing in a 2.5d game. Capcom will undoubtedly push path tracing and ray tracing in Code Veronica. Halo devs are using megalights, lumen and nanite on the halo remake.
Some devs put in the effort while other lazy fucks just phone it in. Every single studio at sony has phoned in this gen. That ain't changing next gen. Especially not with the bean counters running PlayStation at the moment. Expect budgets to go down even more next Gen.
Bojji
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Doom Eternal on PRO looks insane. Still amazed this looks superior to Dark Ages.
Btw Eternal runs at a higher resolution on PRO.
Yeah, dynamic res FTW when it comes to forward compatibility.
But full pro port would be amazing with PSSR, image quality in this game sucks ass in RT mode even on pro.
mrMUR_96
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I actually still can't believe how weak wolverine looks, insomniac's weakest looking game this gen, looks like a crappy launch title. That's the worst looking RT reflection I've ever seen and the lighting direction is just so awful.death stranding 2 had the same issue. same goes for wolverine. looks amazing in cutscenes. like garbage made by talentless hacks during gameplay.
Luipadre
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Yeah those RT reflections looks fucking terrible. Just use SSR like holy shit. You'll get much better results than this and better performance
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