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[Spoilers] Is Saros another woke slop from Sony?

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We have a history of socialism. Literal communists roam the streets. They lost the civil war about a 100 years ago but the remnants never left.

On the topic: sounds like a shit story, but then again videogame stories are like a frosting on a cake. Of course shit frosting will still taste like shit.

Looks like Finns forgot how bad this shit is, in Poland we despise hardcore left and communism (it's even illegal to support it).
 
I guess some are still doing the "omg woke is bad but have you seen the anti-woke they are the worse, mayyyybe woke isnt that bad afterall" schtick ....

And

"Nah this is not woke ... that is not woke... in fact there is no woke its all in your minds"

Keep trying ... you will never normalize this shit.
 
I guess some are still doing the "omg woke is bad but have you seen the anti-woke they are the worse, mayyyybe woke isnt that bad afterall" schtick ....

And

"Nah this is not woke ... that is not woke... in fact there is no woke its all in your minds"

Keep trying ... you will never normalize this shit.

Yep. My favorite is when they say, "what does woke even mean?" lol

I am not falling for their tricks lol
 
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I just don't understand why a 'bullet hell shooter' type game like this needs to weave in a story like that in the first place.

Can't wait for the modern remake of Ikaruga in that case.


This is so clearly made for mandatory woke points for the Sony committee to greenlight the project that it's laughable.

Also, it's so funny that Sony can't feature any male protagonist in a videogame, even an action-focus one, without smearing it with this bullshit.

Just imagine the shitshow Intergalactic is set to be, my dear lord.
 
Why does the fate of the universe always has to do with s3x? 🤔

Modern Harry Potter:

Dumbledore:
- "Harry, you have to save the planet from Voldemort"
- "But first you have to fuck Ron to cleanse yourself from the original sin of being born as CIS male"

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Ad hominem.

I want everyone here to look that up. Rather than earnestly debating with OP, many of you have stooped to ad hominem.

Ad hominem against his source, without even addressing the point itself.

Ad hominem against OP, claiming racism without, again, addressing the point.

Ad hominem against people who prefer not to support agendas, whether they be left or right, with their capital, their only economic voting power, rather than attempting to understand why one would feel that way.

Ad hominem is the tool for the deliberately disingenuous and intellectually lazy, (you know.... politicians :D), and I know that my beloved Gaf is better than that. It's ok to not agree on things, hell I think it's productive even, but let's try to address the point, rather than the source; it's simply a more direct, honest, and efficient means of debate.

Or you can all just keep yelling at each other and pushing for more division, hell I don't know, go nuts. I do know that the story that OP noted is absolute dog shit, I mean it just is, for me at least. If you like it, that's cool too, but OP is not a racist, (for those of you asserting as much, grow up), for simply sharing information about aspects of the writing that many of us would want to know before making a purchase and thus unwittingly supporting a product that we wouldn't have had we known otherwise, as the story does sound polarizing at the very least, and I think that's being kind.

Thanks for trying to keep us informed OP. Ignore the people who try to paint you as a culture warrior or rabble rouser for doing so, and remember whose modus operandi it was to suppress all criticism, fair or not, by declaring it all dissent against the state.....or should I say dissent against the party?
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We could do with a bit more of this in most threads, excellent stuff
 
Idunno if it was actually an influence on Saros, but parts of it sound sort of similar to Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny :pie_thinking:
Lord of Light is set on a planet colonized by remnants of Earth from a spaceship called the Star of India. To increase their chances of survival, the crew has used chemical treatments, biofeedback and electronics to mutate their minds and create enhanced self-images, or "Aspects", that let them channel their powers. The crew has also developed a technology to transfer a person's atman, or soul, electronically to a new body. This reincarnation by mind transfer has created a race of potential immortals and allowed the former crew members to institute the Hindu caste system, with themselves at the top.

The crew has used their now-great powers to control the native non-human races (whom they characterize as demons) while setting themselves up as gods in the eyes of the many generations of colonist progeny. Taking on the powers and names of Hindu deities, these "gods" maintain respect and control of the masses by maintaining a stranglehold on the access to reincarnation and by suppressing any technological advancements beyond a medieval level. The gods fear that any enlightenment or advancement might lead to a technological renaissance that would eventually weaken their power.

The protagonist, Sam, who has developed the ability to manipulate electromagnetic forces, is a renegade crewman who has rejected godhood, taking for himself the role of Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha. Sam is the last "Accelerationist": He believes that technology should be available to the masses, and that reincarnation should not be controlled by the elite. Sam introduces Buddhism to defeat the power of the gods with this "new" religion. His carefully planned revolt against the gods takes place in stages: "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time. One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition across a period of many years if he is to have a chance of succeeding."
 
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Its a huge stretch to call that story woke

Actually sounds interesting

It's a huge stretch to not call it woke.

If this game released in 2005 - no one would have any problem with this and story like that would be quite unique. But now majority of games developed in the west have woke agenda forced into them, pretty much every Sony game have lesbian story line.
 
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This is not the point of the post, and I don't agree with the source mentioning the nationality because it doesn't matter. The guy could be Mexican, French, or Lithuanian for all I care. The point is how utterly woke the story is in general, especially the ending.

No one cares about this point when they read how the lists ends, lol.

Race swap/LGBT/feminism is the holy trio of woke. This game was made with Indian characters and story as a base (and I'm fully ok with this), but you still have LGBT and feminist push "men are bad".

Why you coming at me for? The original twitter poster clealry raised the fact the MC is Indian. They didn't have an issue with it then it wouldn't be in their list. I'm not suggesting either of you have a problem with it.


Ad hominem? How?

Did the original Twitter post mention the MC is an Indian as their first bullet point? Yes. Why did they do that? If that isn't woke, then why mention the MC's race at all?
 
I mean I wasn't planning to play the game anyway because it looked very bland, but this further cements my decision not to waste any money on it tbh.
 
Its a huge stretch to call that story woke

Actually sounds interesting
Its no stretch at all .. its Sony studios, the woke pedigree is there, its just one more case.

And in any case whats the strech ? What would count as woke ? The protagonist being gay ? His friend a trans ? Pride flags floating all around? BLM simbols ?

Its one more "straight men bad" , women good, lesbians even better story, it even has the "black lesbian" that is almost a meme at this point when talking about woke products... all it lacks its the protagonist being a white man but thats goes against Sony policies. how many more of those people need before stop pretending this is not very much by design.
 
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Why you coming at me for? The original twitter poster clealry raised the fact the MC is Indian. They didn't have an issue with it then it wouldn't be in their list. I'm not suggesting either of you have a problem with it.



Ad hominem? How?

Did the original Twitter post mention the MC is an Indian as their first bullet point? Yes. Why did they do that? If that isn't woke, then why mention the MC's race at all?

You mean severus tweet?

It's one of the points on his list, not the main focus and real "meat" is on the bottom.
 
It's a huge stretch to not call it woke.

If this game released in 2005 - no one would have any problem with this and story like that would be quite unique. But now majority of games developed in the west have woke agenda forced into them, pretty much every Sony game have lesbian story line.
Yeah, I think people are failing to understand what the problem here is. Speaking for myself anyway, I don't have a problem with any of those bullet points in and of themselves. It's just that there's good reason to think that these characteristics and similar ones are being put into lots of media as part of an undisclosed agenda that takes precedence over just making good media. Mostly it's the being lied to about whether this agenda even exists that pisses me off.
 
It could be the last great game from Housemarque sadly. Once they spend most of their time and energy on the story and try to make their game "mainstream", it will consume their capacity at doing their awesome arcade gameplay. I really hope I am wrong here because I really love their awesome gameplay.
 
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The problem isn't woke shit, it's just try hard drama and not a video game story.

Game stories that work:
Get to the castle to save the princess
Defeat dracula
Unite the Triforce to banish evil from the realm

Vs

Passive backstory — the game — see the rest of the story

And it sounds like the rest of the story isn't what you would have been interested in, which is the worst possible outcome.

This game would have been better if the plot was defeat the King in Yellow…but it's not. Imagine you win, and then you and your wife escape on a jet ski/snowmobile acting like fucking winners. Pretty good game, right?
 
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I mean I wasn't planning to play the game anyway because it looked very bland, but this further cements my decision not to waste any money on it tbh.
Ill play it eventually for free on ps+, ill just ignore the dogshit story just like I ignored in returnal ... this type of games shouldn't even have a story .. or just a very simple one. "We are in trouble, go save us" cues the gameplay loop.

But at some point this woke writers that failed to get to do movies have to spill their dogshit ideas on games.
 
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I was close to buying this game. Thanks for the warning. I'm getting close to the point to just auto skip Sony 1st party games. They just can't help themselves. After GTA 6 I'm planning to sell my playstation anyway. 95% of the time I'm playing on my pc anyway.
 
Yeah, I think people are failing to understand what the problem here is. Speaking for myself anyway, I don't have a problem with any of those bullet points in and of themselves. It's just that there's good reason to think that these characteristics and similar ones are being put into lots of media as part of an undisclosed agenda that takes precedence over just making good media. Mostly it's the being lied to about whether this agenda even exists that pisses me off.

They don't even hide this shit anymore

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Titanic and LOTR wouldn't be able to win the best picture award right now...
 
Exactly. A lot of the same people who bitched about Crimson Desert because of its story are looking at Saros and saying story doesn't matter because the gameplay is good.


These two cases are not even comparable.

Think whatever you like about Crimson Desert story, but it has the right tone and theme for the game, it doesn't break immersion.

Saros story is a ridiculous Reddit drama that clashes with the game's genre and setting. It's straight up retarded.

The game is still enjoyable because it's very good as a videogame, but the story part is a huge minus and I'm not supporting this shit any more.
 
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I see this kind of stuff everywhere now. Don't want to go all conspiracy but this is clearly being pushed down from the "top" if you know what I'm saying. How else can it be all over the place all at the same time? Games, movies and tv shows. Heck, even adverts. It's fucking everywhere.
 
Sony's bait and switch.

Put a dude with the gun on the cover. People think they've made a game without woke shit.

Make the game a lesbian fantasy one of the blue-haired writers read on r/indiancuckhold
 
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Titanic and LOTR wouldn't be able to win the best picture award right now...
Nah, LOTR would be fine, most of the cast is Hobbits, Dwarfs, Elfs, we even have a Dúnedan, surely those count as minorities, right? Being an Elf could even be seen as a disability!
 
They don't even hide this shit anymore

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Titanic and LOTR wouldn't be able to win the best picture award right now...
It's weird. Even if I'm being generous, it's basically saying that they don't think that all these non-white actors, directors, staff etc. are very good, and so they need artificial help.

If they really wanted to do this right, they should just give more publicity/platform/maybe dubbing to foreign films and shows. There's tons of good stuff that Hollywood's been mostly ignoring for decades.
 
They don't even hide this shit anymore

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Titanic and LOTR wouldn't be able to win the best picture award right now...
All that just to say "as little straight white guys as possible".

And the kicker is you can tick all of the above boxes but if the message the movie is sending isn't pushing woke propaganda, it will never win, but they don't list that in the key requirements now do they. Just look at a movie like Sound of Freedom, plenty of diversity and a fantastic movie but did Hollywood reward it? No, they tried to bury it instead, probably because it hit too close to home. Just look at the RT critic and audience scores for it, tells you everything you need to know:

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Gee, I wonder who you should trust more, 80 woke idiots in the studios' pockets or 10,000+ normal people.
 
The problem isn't woke shit, it's just try hard drama and not a video game story.

Game stories that work:
Get to the castle to save the princess
Defeat dracula
Unite the Triforce to banish evil from the realm

Vs

Passive backstory — the game — see the rest of the story

And it sounds like the rest of the story isn't what you would have been interested in, which is the worst possible outcome.

This game would have been better if the plot was defeat the King in Yellow…but it's not. Imagine you win, and then you and your wife escape on a jet ski/snowmobile acting like fucking winners. Pretty good game, right?
Totally agree

Games were made that we feel like winners, one way or other. We still have score points to this day to challenge ourselves and try to greater every day. It's a metaphor for life, since you also need to improve things to the real world

When we have woke stuff, we mean when things change that the character just sucks and not "has gay stuff, so it deserves to flop". The original Last of Us has gay stuff, but guess what? Eh. The whole father snd kid journey, when you're the one that choose the parenting choice at the end... Greatness. That's why part 2 was so underwhelming, because as a player you wanted to kill, then the character stops... It was all for nothing - maybe the fact of a bodybuilder and a trans in a post apocalyptic world also is also a stretch, but let's stick with the main plot

Want to put gay characters in the game? Ok. Remember that it's a videogame first and don't push any agenda, then you're fine
 
It's weird. Even if I'm being generous, it's basically saying that they don't think that all these non-white actors, directors, staff etc. are very good, and so they need artificial help.

If they really wanted to do this right, they should just give more publicity/platform/maybe dubbing to foreign films and shows. There's tons of good stuff that Hollywood's been mostly ignoring for decades.


Quotas and meritocracy are opposing terms by definition, so yes, that's what they really mean.

There's not a more racist and elitist group than the hardcore woke left, which treats everyone not like them as genetically inferior.
 
Want to put gay characters in the game? Ok. Remember that it's a videogame first and don't push any agenda, then you're fine
I'd say that as long as you're up-front with what you're doing, and don't try to hide things, then it's fine. You've informed people, and they can make their informed choice on whether they want to buy whatever it is.
 
I read the tweet, I don't see what's woke about it. I think the fact that no one is directly naming what's woke about it is pretty telling. We finally got a straight male character in a first party game. I'll pick it up once my backlog is beaten back down.
 
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I dont get the people claiming the outrage is just because the main character isnt white.

This type of story would score more woke points with a white protagonist. By making him indian they bypassed the anti-white racism inherent in woke messaging.

The indian MC turns it into a man=bad story instead of a white man=bad story.
Wokeness isn't just about being anti-white, it can also be anti-male and have all men feel horrible about their 'toxic masculinity' and stop trying to think of themselves as protectors of women.
Its shit love story, is what I am getting from it.

Made to be offensive.

After playing though. Reading like this, it doesn't have much impact, other than sounding retarded. Which it is.
I don't think it's made to be offensive, I think it's meant to subvert the 'handsome hero saves the damsel in distress' trope which many male gamers love. Instead it's 'You're not really saving the damsel, you're actually a shitty person and a pitiful excuse of a man, to the point your wife is more willing to go fuck off with another woman rather than spend another moment with your sorry ass'. It's not meant to offend, but rather 'educate' you that women don't want/need to be saved, and if they are in any trouble, it's probably because of you or some other man.

So yes, under that lens, the story is woke as fuck. And no, it's not because the MC is not a white person. This is usually the kind of gaslighting ERA members do.

Be better, GAF.
 
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