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Jason Schreier - The sense I’m getting is that (Sony) is backing away from putting their exclusive console traditional single player stuff on PC

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Except we know exactly how much they're making off their platforms.

Sony was never going to do day 1 on PC. So no one should have expected Wolverine to be announced for PC in September.
 
KyoZz said:
The game is being developed simultaneously for PC. The leak revealed that Insomniac had a playable PC version at least three years ago. That was a very early build tho but still.
At this point I think it would cost more to modify the contract than to release the game after a few months of PS5 exclusivity.
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No shit, console games are developed on PC

I'm just saying they could agree to modify the contract, I dont think they will, but they could.
 
It's been said many times, but Sony can't release anything 1st party when there isn't anything to release.

And they sure as shit aren't going to release old PS4 games on PC without updating them for PS5 first.

You may start getting this "sense" in another year or 18 months. If they haven't announced Yotei until then, then they've changed their stance on things.
 
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MisterXDTV said:
It's not exactly a big surprise, many people said so from the start
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Initially it wasn't, but I think they have reached a point where it became so.

The other thing to point out here is Nishino. The new SIE CEO cut his teeth on building out the PS ecosystem, and Steam sales have largely failed at doing that (because Steam consumers refuse any outside integrations). He is %100 behind this action.

The last thing to point out is the changing of who Sony's primary competitor is, Xbox is largely a non-factor now, and between Nintendo and Valve, Sony may have decided that Nintendo is the softer target of the two (and the more essential target because they control the JP market) and thus they should be targeted first.
 
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Zacfoldor said:
I think Wolverine would move a few consoles.

I know GTA would.

Also we are talking just 1 game and they would likely still release it just after 3 years instead of 1 year. They would still be able to sell it on PC.
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For sure, but the people who want to play the games on day one will buy the consoles to play them. So the strategy of waiting a year or so to release them on PC should be solid imo.

I find it a bit hard to believe that time matters much after that, if someone waited 1 year for a game to release on PC then they can wait 2 or 3 years easy as well.
 
KyoZz said:
We don't know the underlying of the contract for Indiana Jones. And what's true for one things might not be for another anyway.

As I said, time will tell 🤷‍♂️
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It really doesn't matter what's in the contract. It's very simple. Sony calls Marvel and says "hey we can renegotiate this contract since we don't want to release it on PC". Marvel either agrees or they say no lets leave it as is. It's not like the contract has some condition that doesn't ever allow it to be adjusted even if both parties agree to renegotiate.
 
The part I still don't really understand about this theory is, if Sony has committed to the change, what is the benefit of keeping it secret? If a game people expect to come to PC eventually (Yotei, Wolverine etc.) is actually not coming to PC, it seems to me it would make far more sense to let people know that so that they are encouraged towards PS rather than left waiting.

FalsettoVibe said:
What is this? Reminder Jason Schreier is an ass? Like it or not......dude is pretty accurate. Also, doesn't really have much to do with this thread other than to derail it.
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It speaks to the lack of seriousness of the source when giving analysis of the industry. Maybe he means it this time or maybe he is just 'owning the chuds' again or whatever, we cannot know.

MisterXDTV said:
They want people to spend money on their own store not Valve's....
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Of course, but the reality is that for a lot of people, Sony can take their money on Valve's store or nowhere.
 
calico said:
The part I still don't really understand about this theory is, if Sony has committed to the change, what is the benefit of keeping it secret? If a game people expect to come to PC eventually (Yotei, Wolverine etc.) is actually not coming to PC, it seems to me it would make far more sense to let people know that so that they are encouraged towards PS rather than left waiting.


It speaks to the lack of seriousness of the source when giving analysis of the industry. Maybe he means it this time or maybe he is just 'owning the chuds' again or whatever, we cannot know.


Of course, but the reality is that for a lot of people, Sony can take their money on Valve's store or nowhere.
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Exactly. I would love to play Demon's Souls Remake, but if it's not PC, I ain't buying a console for it.
 
Sony has already been crippling their PC releases to make the PS5 the star anyway. It's not a mystery why ports 6-12 months late for full retail price aren't pushing nearly as many units as the console versions. Sony has been more than happy to leave money on the table to favour their own ecosystem. I have a 5070 Ti in my rig and primarily game on PC but I think the only Playstation published games I own are Returnal and Helldivers 2. Most of them are simply not appealing from a value perspective or not worth double dipping to own twice. So Sony has kind of been dragging it's feet on doing this the entire time, which raises the question why do it to begin with?

The reality is Microsoft looked at numbers and had probably put themselves in a position where they had to go multiplatform to offset dev costs and studio acquisitions. Sony must be feeling the pressure of modern game dev costs as well. They're not able to make as many games as they used to and they're taking much longer amounts of time. They have to look at additional revenue streams to crawl money back and diversify possible flops.

It comes down to how much PC has cannibalized the PS ecosystem and frankly I have a hard time believing that it's done that much damage at this point. As far as I'm aware the PC ports don't sell anywhere near as many copies because they've been de-prioritized. They still bring money in but people hard core into games that need to play Death Stranding 2 on launch aren't waiting 12 months for a PC port, and most people who can wait that long would probably also be ok with missing it and playing other things. I don't believe the market of people who deeply care about a game but are also willing to wait 12 months is that big... Which would mean most of the PC sales of these games are to normies who probably couldn't care either way and would just play something else if a Sony title wasn't available.

I really don't see what Sony gains by killing PC ports at this point, especially with Xbox being dead and Nintendo appealing to a different audience.
 
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diffusionx said:
It's a mistake to put them on PC, because it degrades the value of the platform, which is in the end the only thing they got. We saw it happen with Microsoft, I don't know why people deny them. I've been saying it for years.

Also, let's be real, after the first couple, the sales haven't been that great on PC, you become a miniscule fish in a massive pond instead of owning the pond entirely, you have to deal with chuds review bombing your game, "bad port" criticisms, pcfat hostility, all this shit. They've been doing this for what 5 years, makes sense to analyze and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Ms error was not putting their games on pc...in fact that actually saved them cause they were not selling since xbox one era. So i sont understand you argument ....doesnt affect sony, or maybe it does? Too many ppl playing it on pc rather than their shitry console that cant even do 60fps...had them worried. Not gonna end. Just slower but they will still port to pc.
 
I've really become ambivalent to Sony games on PC. I'm going to play them on PS5 and not wait. If they make enough money on PC then fine. If they don't have feel they need more focus on the console then that makes sense too.

Either way, when it comes to consoles, these days my gut tells me to look at what Microsoft is doing with Xbox.....and do the opposite. :messenger_sunglasses:
 
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ClosBSAS said:
Ms error was not putting their games on pc...in fact that actually saved them cause they were not selling since xbox one era. So i sont understand you argument ....doesnt affect sony, or maybe it does? Too many ppl playing it on pc rather than their shitry console that cant even do 60fps...had them worried. Not gonna end. Just slower but they will still port to pc.
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Day one on PC devalues the Xbox consoles. Day one on Game Pass devalues the game.
 
I collect VHS tapes said:
I think this is more so representation that there's no demand to play these games on PC. What left is there to even port?

I have no doubt that if they actually start making games people want to play Sony will start porting it on PC but for now it just doesn't seem it's worth it given that there's virtually no desire to play these games.
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So why do their games sell so well on Playstation?
 
Suddenly Schreier is not a credible source lol

It must be his track record, no doubt.

Anyways, even if they course correct there the damage to the brand is done after this joke of a generation and the studio clausures.
 
calico said:
It speaks to the lack of seriousness of the source when giving analysis of the industry. Maybe he means it this time or maybe he is just 'owning the chuds' again or whatever, we cannot know.
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No one is required to be serious all the time. I do however expect you to be accurate when you say something as definitive as this.
If I told you the truth 100% of the time, then one day I said, I like watching your favorite football team loose, that takes nothing away from my credibility.
People are just in their feelings.....
 
Guess i am gonna need to fork up 1k bucks for that launch ps6 and bloodbourne remaster from bluepoint now, oh wait... :messenger_astonished:
 
prudislav said:
meanwhile ... sony just put storepage of Kena sequel on steam ... where they are publisher
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Not really the type of game Sony would care about. Kena is not a system seller type game. This isn't about little dinky indie projects that don't even sell that well on Playstation itself.
 
That's a good thing. Manufacturers need to have exclusives, otherwise they end up like the Xbox Series.
Nintendo has real exclusives, and they're a huge hit.
 
FalsettoVibe said:
No one is required to be serious all the time.
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Sure, but it's a good idea when it concerns your professional credibility. If someone has previously shown a willingness to deliberately give misleading analysis because fighting the culture war is more important to them than maintaining their credibility, it is reasonable to doubt the integrity of their future analysis.
 
reinking said:
I think Sony will do it on a game-by-game basis. They have never ever said all of their games will come to PC. Ever. People just keep pushing that narrative. If it takes a multiplatform deal to get the license, so be it. GAAS/Multipalyer that leads to more DLC? Why not? They are not backing away as much as they have never been fully committed.
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Thank YOU!!!! Why people never understand this basic fact is beyond me.
 
Mr Moose said:
Yup. That's what matters in the end, but having exclusives go elsewhere means some people are less likely to buy (insert console here) to play those games.
Nintendo are doing it the right way.
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Not expecting this to be a good news honestly.

Likely PS6 is going to be expensive kit and they want to convince fanbase to move there.

Nintendo has zero margin for error. They cannot run the company into ground for 25 yrs straight.
 
KyoZz said:
Bullshit, we know that Insomniac is contractually obligated to release the game on PC

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Edit: @Zacfoldor I have some bad news for you. Mind you it's not limited to Wolverine but all X-Men games, same applies to Marvel releases (including the futur Spider-Man 3)
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At first I thought you were posting this for ragebait but this is super relevant. If Marvel gets (lets say) 20% then holy fuck, Sony should be keeping it exclusive because you look at that fee and the excuse you use is that it drive X players to PlayStation. Its the only way its viable. If it brings 2M new players in I think you are OK with that fee.
 
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