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[ChorizoPicozo]

Damn these twitter spaces are amazing and fascinating. Some xbox dudes really make good points to believe in the MS's vision and other makes good points to be really concerned.
they are like group therapies

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nintendo has been doing their own thing for a while now, so no, I don't consider it direct competition.
I've been gaming for quite some time now, mate. My first console was an Atari 800XL, which I still own. But if you want to call me biased, that's up to you, I guess.

Why are people ignoring the fact that Nintendo went their own way because MS and Sony were in a headlock?

Three is a crowd. Smart business is doing your own thing until things change.

Once MS is out, Sony and Nintendo will very much be direct competitors in the same space again.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I hope after this, no matter how long it takes for these loonies...that everyone truly understands its a plastic box with some parts inside that plays video games.

Just, buy the games you want, where you want, buy the plastic you want but don't be emotionally attached to that plastic or the company behind it.

I kinda hope they palm it off to asus or msi or whoever and I may get my dream of buying a 1000 dollar xbox os themed steam machine type box I can plug into my telly.

Just need MS to sort the os out and the apk to make my games run.

But man. Being this crazy over people being able to play games wherever they want is wild.

At least coslteastwood and Destin seem more reasonable, even if they may be doing it to (again) shill the current MS narrative that’s brewing

The others like Klobrille, Jez, Timdog, etc are just insane and pathetic with their doomsday outrage over keeping games exclusive

These fanboys had gotten so entitled over MS having blank check funding with market distorting amounts of cash following a loss leader strategy that, as we come to find out, is no longer tenable

As if the status quo of everything day 1 on GamePass for free is the best thing in gaming could never come to an end

These folks don’t live in reality. Microsoft’s recent layoffs and their alignment with “sustainable growth” speaks volumes for the future of their gaming business direction

Phil Spencer’s decade long “experiments” are over.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Nintendo has been doing their own thing for a while now, so no, I don't consider it direct competition.
I've been gaming for quite some time now, mate. My first console was an Atari 800XL, which I still own. But if you want to call me biased, that's up to you, I guess.

You just showed you bias entirely. Somehow your "concern" for perceived lack of competition is only valid for Sony. Nintendo "doing their own thing" is good, Sony doing their own thing is bad basically

I don't even agree with your premise, obviously Sony and Nintendo are the real competition and always were since day 1.

 

[Pelao]

You just showed you bias entirely. Somehow your "concern" for perceived lack of competition is only valid for Sony. Nintendo "doing their own thing" is good, Sony doing their own thing is bad basically

I don't even agree with your premise, obviously Sony and Nintendo are the real competition and always were since day 1.

I don't know, man, I just don't have a special love for any of these boxes. But apparently showing concern as a user is being biased for you. Oh well.

 

[Admerer]

Lol at the meltdowns, Microsoft should do whatever makes them the most money, if that means releasing their games on PlayStation so be it.

 

[DJ12]

I hope after this, no matter how long it takes for these loonies...that everyone truly understands its a plastic box with some parts inside that plays video games.

Just, buy the games you want, where you want, buy the plastic you want but don't be emotionally attached to that plastic or the company behind it.

I kinda hope they palm it off to asus or msi or whoever and I may get my dream of buying a 1000 dollar xbox os themed steam machine type box I can plug into my telly.

Just need MS to sort the os out and the apk to make my games run.

But man. Being this crazy over people being able to play games wherever they want is wild.

Imagine this was happening 5 or 6 months ago before your enlightenment....

 

[Bogroll]

A lot of this thread is warriors and owners having a go at warriors and owners for not fighting and being passive. Is the concern that there will be no one to argue with!
No competitor is not great is my thoughts.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I don't know, man, I just don't have a special love for any of these boxes. But apparently showing concern as a user is being biased for you. Oh well.

Are you missing the point on purpose?

The point- Why is lack of competition concerning for Sony, but not concerning for Nintendo?

Can't make it much clearer, so try to address it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

At least coslteastwood and Destin seem more reasonable, even if they may be doing it to (again) shill the current MS narrative that’s brewing

The others like Klobrille, Jez, Timdog, etc are just insane and pathetic with their doomsday outrage over keeping games exclusive

These fanboys had gotten so entitled over MS having blank check funding with market distorting amounts of cash following a loss leader strategy that, as we come to find out, is no longer tenable

As if the status quo of everything day 1 on GamePass for free is the best thing in gaming could never come to an end

These folks don’t live in reality. Microsoft’s recent layoffs and their alignment with “sustainable growth” speaks volumes for the future of their gaming business direction

Phil Spencer’s decade long “experiments” are over.

Oh, you right on the money right here.

After some thought over the past week. I get the kinda sports mentality. Xbox is their team and they were invested and your teams done something drastically against the norm of what the fans expect. I can understand people's concern when they've invested in something. I've invested in the xbox eco system. Software, wheels, joysticks...all that good stuff.

But, I've done the same for all my systems. I think I've realised that while I'm just a fan of gaming and defend and attack all companies, I have never been totally invested in one system. Not since the snes, anyway.

I would love more people to potentially play sea of thieves with. It would be awesome fun to have playstation versus nintendo plus xbox factions and actually make and poke fun at the console warring.

The one good thing from all this stuff, personally is that it's made me want to distance myself from any association with xbox freaks, or freaks in general.

Nothing wrong with supporting a platform with your time and money but some of the stuff I've seen this last week is unhealthy, and there's a few of these people that have exposed themselves to the point they are clearly in need of help to change their way of thinking. Maybe this helps them, I hope for them and the gaming community at large it does.

 

[Edmund]

damn Timdogo unhinge against Nadella

 

[DenchDeckard]

Imagine this was happening 5 or 6 months ago before your enlightenment....

I never really knew of any of these weirdos before this. I don't go on twitter etc, just here.

 

[Pelao]

The point- Why is lack of competition concerning for Sony, but not concerning for Nintendo?

Ah, so that's your issue. Dude, did I ever say at any point that it wasn't a concern for Nintendo? No, I didn't. I was expressing myself in regards to Sony. That you want to put words in my mouth is your problem. You're literally doing pic related.

 

[buenoblue]

I can't wait to see Phil's Chubby little face try to spin this as a positive for Xbox. Dude has killed Xbox brand. Phil we heard you, and you need to go.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Ah, so that's your issue. Dude, did I ever say at any point that it wasn't a concern for Nintendo? No, I didn't. I was expressing myself in regards to Sony. That you want to put words in my mouth is your problem. You're literally doing pic related.

That doesn't fly. You were the one naming the 3 corpos in the same sentence and then flipped to isolate your "concern" for only one of them.

Using your example above, it would be the equivalent of saying:

you- "I eat bananas, apples and peaches. I'm really concerned though that if I stop eating bananas, the apples will give me cancer"
me- "So apples give you cancer? What about the peaches?"
you- "wtf, I never said peaches don't give me cancer as well!"

 

[Pelao]

You were the one naming the 3 corpos in the same sentence

WHEN? My God, mate, when did I name Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the same sentence?
I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

WHEN? My God, mate, when did I name Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the same sentence?
I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore.

Are you trolling right now?

As an owner of all three current consoles, if Microsoft goes third party, or at least partially third party (temporary exclusives), I can't say I like the idea of Sony being left without direct competition. They were already behaving like asshats this gen.

Some may be too young to remember, but the late PS3 and early PS4 era was the best time to be a PlayStation user, and that was thanks to strong competition. Shit, there was a time when we had 12 games in rotation on PS Plus and Sony randomly deciding to send you an email with 10 bucks of PSN credit every other week. Look at how things are now.

Anyway, fuck Microsoft. With very few exceptions, like Hi-Fi Rush, they haven't released anything good in ages, but I really hope someone else steps up to give Sony a run for their money.

What was the point of you introductory statement then?

It's fine if you course correct and say your "concern" extends to the other 2 competitors, but mentioning the 3 consoles and then isolating just one is the definition of biased. If you still don't understand, I guess you don't want to understand.

 

[Pelao]

Are you trolling right now?
What was the point of you introductory statement then?
It's fine if you course correct and say your "concern" extends to the other 2 competitors, but mentioning the 3 consoles and then isolating just one is the definition of biased. If you still don't understand, I guess you don't want to understand.

Friend, first of all, please improve your reading comprehension.
Second, don't put words in someone else's mouth. Mentioning that I own all three consoles is not an indication that I will compare the three corporations that own each system, that's a conclusion you made on your own. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft each have their own issues.
Third, mentioning the issues with one or two of the consoles does not mean that the third is without problems. That is a conclusion that you came to on your own and that for some reason you decided to make the whole point of this argument.

Since the whole problem stems from your lack of understanding of what I wrote, there is not much more I can do.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Friend, first of all, please improve your reading comprehension.
Second, don't put words in someone else's mouth. Mentioning that I own all three consoles is not an indication that I will compare the three corporations that own each system, that's a conclusion you made on your own. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft each have their own issues.
Third, mentioning the issues with one or two of the consoles does not mean that the third is without problems. That is a conclusion that you came to on your own and that for some reason you decided to make the whole point of this argument.

Since the whole problem stems from your lack of understanding of what I wrote, there is not much more I can do.

Ok, agree to disagree, happy to let the others reading the thread to take their own conclusions.

 

[BlackTron]

I just want to ask Pelao so can we infer from all this that in your view, lack of competition is a problem that has adversely affected Nintendo?

 

[Zheph]

I just want to ask Pelao so can we infer from all this that in your view, lack of competition is a problem that has adversely affected Nintendo?

It works with Steam also but only Sony is evil, guys

 

[Pelao]

I just want to ask Pelao so can we infer from all this that in your view, lack of competition is a problem that has adversely affected Nintendo?

Considering things like the dire state in which the latest Pokemon games have been released, the elimination of the Virtual Console in favor of the absolute joke that is their online subscription service to play their old catalog or the way they crush any fan-made creation, yes, of course.

 

[BlackTron]

Considering things like the dire way the latest Pokemon games have been released, the elimination of the Virtual Console in favor of the absolute joke that is their online subscription service to play their old catalog or the way they crush any fan-made creation, yes, of course.

I certainly have my misgivings with Nintendo but IMO I think competition got them to roll their sleeves up and bring out the big guns. When Nintendo decided to pivot to this (allegedly) no-competition zone, it was because they were decimated from competition and spurned to innovate (Wii). This is when we first got features you now miss like Virtual Console. Then they got destroyed again with Wii U and came back with a better core product and A-bomb games. Fucking competition!

Nintendo has a big stake in Pokemon but Game Freak has the game and they stink. It doesn't appear that Nintendo is in a position to just give it a different studio -GF made the original game and they are probably in gridlock. Despite this sad story, Nintendo games are actually in an excellent place.

I think it's silly to say they squash any fan-made creation due to lack of competition, like they would lighten up if only more competition existed...just seems like another bullet point annoyance with Nintendo (which I agree with)

 

[Pelao]

I certainly have my misgivings with Nintendo but IMO I think competition got them to roll their sleeves up and bring out the big guns. When Nintendo decided to pivot to this (allegedly) no-competition zone, it was because they were decimated from competition and spurned to innovate (Wii). This is when we first got features you now miss like Virtual Console. Then they got destroyed again with Wii U and came back with a better core product and A-bomb games. Fucking competition!

Nintendo has a big stake in Pokemon but Game Freak has the game and they stink. It doesn't appear that Nintendo is in a position to just give it a different studio -GF made the original game and they are probably in gridlock. Despite this sad story, Nintendo games are actually in an excellent place.

I think it's silly to say they squash any fan-made creation due to lack of competition, like they would lighten up if only more competition existed...just seems like another bullet point annoyance with Nintendo (which I agree with)

I think more than the competition, it was, hilariously, their own incompetence. Their fuck-up with the Wii U eventually led them to where they are now, which is a good position with the Switch.
They have released good games like BotW, TotK and Mario Odyssey, but I'm not a big fan of their policies as a company.

 

[BlackTron]

I think more than the competition, it was, hilariously, their own incompetence. Their fuck-up with the Wii U eventually led them to where they are now, which is a good position with the Switch.
They have released good games like BotW, TotK and Mario Odyssey, but I'm not a big fan of their policies as a company.

It was definitely incompetent, but in Nintendo's ideal world they don't even have to pay attention or try that hard just because they're Nintendo...aaaand maybe because they're the only ones because they control the whole industry with draconian business practices (80s). Luckily they do get beat up from time to time to set them straight again

 

[BlackTron]

By total chance this is the next thread I looked at, and caught this nugget:

“The generational transition of platforms in the dedicated gaming console business is never easy. We have experienced significant challenges following successful platforms multiple times, so we never consider our current situation to be totally secure.

“Furthermore, as you pointed out, our business is always exposed to great competition. From a broader entertainment perspective, not only video games but also various forms of leisure are competitors in this industry. In this environment, there’s an increasing need, more than ever before, to continue offering unique propositions to become a brand that customers choose.”

News - Platform - Nintendo says it will overcome challenges of generational transition with ‘unique propositions’

During a Q&A session following Nintendo’s financial results briefing on Wednesday, the company was asked what risks it’s especially mindful of as it looks to build on the success of its dedicated gaming platforms and its expanding IP business. Since launching in March 2017, Switch has sold over...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Pelao]

It was definitely incompetent, but in Nintendo's ideal world they don't even have to pay attention or try that hard just because they're Nintendo...aaaand maybe because they're the only ones because they control the whole industry with draconian business practices (80s). Luckily they do get beat up from time to time to set them straight again

Yeah, they fucking suck. Anyway, trying to bring the conversation back to the topic of the thread (which I really don't know why you tried to derail with this tangent), if Microsoft stops being a direct competitor of Sony, maybe Nintendo can try to do something. Although we will have to wait and see what they do with their successor to the Switch.

 

[GHG]

I kinda hope they palm it off to asus or msi or whoever and I may get my dream of buying a 1000 dollar xbox os themed steam machine type box I can plug into my telly.

So let me get this straight - the same people who claim to be worried about Microsoft exiting the due to what "lack of competition" will do to Sony and prices of Sony consoles are the same people clamoring and dreaming for a $1000 box from Xbox?

Somebody please help me make sense of this. Is it only ok if we get $1000 consoles as long as they have an Xbox logo on them?

 

[BlackTron]

Yeah, they fucking suck. Anyway, trying to bring the conversation back to the topic of the thread (which I really don't know why you tried to derail with this tangent), if Microsoft stops being a direct competitor of Sony, maybe Nintendo can try to do something. Although we will have to wait and see what they do with their successor to the Switch.

I suspect Nintendo will continue their course, and they will continue to compete with Sony for the same dollars as they do now, especially when Switch 2 can play a big portion of PS5 grade content without concessions as bad as Switch 1. If anything, I see Nintendo as heavy competition for Sony already and its only going to get more spicy.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think more than the competition, it was, hilariously, their own incompetence. Their fuck-up with the Wii U eventually led them to where they are now, which is a good position with the Switch.
They have released good games like BotW, TotK and Mario Odyssey, but I'm not a big fan of their policies as a company.

Good, now that the confusion got cleared, it's time to get back to the topic at hand:

Nintendo fucking up with WiiU led to Switch and great games.

In a similar fashion, Sony fucked up with PS3, which led to PS4 and subsequently PS5 and great games.

MS, on the other hand, fucked up with XBO and right after that is taking a complete nosedive with Series and GamePass, while creating a steady decline in quality games with games like Halo Infinite, Redfall and Starfield.

Going by rumors, they might double-down on this clusterfuck and even extend to handhelds, with the rumored upcoming early next-gen and handheld.

There is no way MS isn't at least ending up as 3rd party publisher and worst-case ending the Xbox brand.

 

[Pelao]

I suspect Nintendo will continue their course, and they will continue to compete with Sony for the same dollars as they do now, especially when Switch 2 can play a big portion of PS5 grade content without concessions as bad as Switch 1. If anything, I see Nintendo as heavy competition for Sony already and its only going to get more spicy.

Hopefully it's different. If they do what you say, it's going to be the same thing that has happened before. They launch a console that can run the same games as the competition, only to be technologically surpassed a couple of years later when they launch their own next gen system, and then they go do their own thing for the rest of the gen. That would leave Nintendo and Sony without anyone forcing them to make an effort.

 

[BlackTron]

Hopefully it's different. If they do what you say, it's going to be the same thing that has happened before. They launch a console that can run the same games as the competition, only to be technologically surpassed a couple of years later when they launch their own next gen system, and then they go do their own thing for the rest of the gen. That would leave Nintendo and Sony without anyone forcing them to make an effort.

I see where you're coming from but I think the market dynamics are more nuanced than that. "Doing their own thing" due to a power imbalance doesn't mean they aren't competitors overnight especially if the weaker one sold 100 million units first. Back during Wii days there were many multi platform games that got the same title, box art and marketing but were different games in different engines. They made an entire different version just to tap the Wii market. Right now we have consoles acting like the baseline for game development, which holds back PC potential. And I think even console storefronts and Steam compete with each other -when you decide where to buy each game. Despite these ecosystems seeming worlds apart or "not competing", of course they are. I just came from the Helldivers 2 thread where someone was musing do I get this game on Steam or PS5? Companies are competing for business, and don't care about us splitting up the definition between what money counts or not. If someone didn't buy an Xbox 360 because they had a cheaper way to get the game they saw in a commercial by getting a Wii (Sonic Unleashed, Force Unleashed) they're a competitor. Believe me MS wouldn't say that doesn't count because they're in a different power bracket, quite the opposite they got dizzy and started tanking their brand by chasing trends (Kinect).

 

[bitbydeath]

I thought that was real

 

[Loope]

At least coslteastwood and Destin seem more reasonable, even if they may be doing it to (again) shill the current MS narrative that’s brewing

The others like Klobrille, Jez, Timdog, etc are just insane and pathetic with their doomsday outrage over keeping games exclusive

These fanboys had gotten so entitled over MS having blank check funding with market distorting amounts of cash following a loss leader strategy that, as we come to find out, is no longer tenable

As if the status quo of everything day 1 on GamePass for free is the best thing in gaming could never come to an end

These folks don’t live in reality. Microsoft’s recent layoffs and their alignment with “sustainable growth” speaks volumes for the future of their gaming business direction

Phil Spencer’s decade long “experiments” are over.

They're all fucked up in the head. When you leave a piece of hardware command your life to the point of having meltdowns in public, it's just embarrassing. MS is a company, so they'll do what they need to, to make money. People's feelings don't enter the equation.
Not that i agree with it, because it's shitting on the people that invested in the ecosystem.

 

[just_like_that]

its been an entertaining week so far GAF

thanks

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Am I the only one thinking MS must come with some form of a statement and right now? Surely they don't want their userbase to ditch them based on rumours and hearsay?

MS is losing it's shit right now. Where is the "We hear you" now? Yeah, non existant.
Nothing. Dead silence. This situation is now beyond damage control. They're letting this whole thing blow up in their face right now and they deserve it.

Glad I abandoned them when the first writings appeared on the wall. It started with a mediocre Starfield, then the GaaS debacle which was Forza Motorsport.
The latter was such a letdown that I didn't even feel any remorse or regret when dumping my Series X on Ebay.

MS is going through a self created shitstorm and people have the right to know what is to become of their beloved platform.
You can't go around and say nothin while this whole thing blows up.

It's as if they just don't give a fuck anymore.

 

[kyussman]

It just occurred to me,when the discourse around your platform is more interesting than the games appearing on it,you have a problem.....and that has been Xbox ever since the release of Xbox One.

 

[skyfall]

I can't even tell if some of these posts are serious anymore.

Figuring out who is and isn't being sarcastic is half the fun

 

[Pelao]

I see where you're coming from but I think the market dynamics are more nuanced than that. "Doing their own thing" due to a power imbalance doesn't mean they aren't competitors overnight especially if the weaker one sold 100 million units first. Back during Wii days there were many multi platform games that got the same title, box art and marketing but were different games in different engines. They made an entire different version just to tap the Wii market. Right now we have consoles acting like the baseline for game development, which holds back PC potential. And I think even console storefronts and Steam compete with each other -when you decide where to buy each game. Despite these ecosystems seeming worlds apart or "not competing", of course they are. I just came from the Helldivers 2 thread where someone was musing do I get this game on Steam or PS5? Companies are competing for business, and don't care about us splitting up the definition between what money counts or not. If someone didn't buy an Xbox 360 because they had a cheaper way to get the game they saw in a commercial by getting a Wii (Sonic Unleashed, Force Unleashed) they're a competitor. Believe me MS wouldn't say that doesn't count because they're in a different power bracket, quite the opposite they got dizzy and started tanking their brand by chasing trends (Kinect).

All gaming platforms are in competition with each other, but I mean direct competition in the sense of policy responses to competitive adversity, in the vein of Nintendo and Sega in the 90s, for example. Or like how Sony started PS Plus in response to losing to Xbox 360, or how Microsoft started Gamepass in response to losing to PS4. In that respect, Sony and Nintendo have been ignoring each other for years. Move and kinect were a belated attempt to respond to the wiimote, yes, but it's been over a decade since then. For the most part, since the seventh generation, Sony has been responding to Microsoft, and Microsoft to Sony. I just hope that, if Microsoft really does go third party, Nintendo, or maybe someone else will step up to give Sony a run for their money.

 

[Loope]

Good, now that the confusion got cleared, it's time to get back to the topic at hand:

Nintendo fucking up with WiiU led to Switch and great games.

In a similar fashion, Sony fucked up with PS3, which led to PS4 and subsequently PS5 and great games.

MS, on the other hand, fucked up with XBO and right after that is taking a complete nosedive with Series and GamePass, while creating a steady decline in quality games with games like Halo Infinite, Redfall and Starfield.

Going by rumors, they might double-down on this clusterfuck and even extend to handhelds, with the rumored upcoming early next-gen and handheld.

There is no way MS isn't at least ending up as 3rd party publisher and worst-case ending the Xbox brand.

Well, they didn't really fuck up with the PS3. They fumbled it at the beggining but then they fixed it in a few years with the exclusive games.

It is a big list of bangers, weather people like the games or not, the would release pretty much hits yearly.

 

[Astray]

So let me get this straight - the same people who claim to be worried about Microsoft exiting the due to what "lack of competition" will do to Sony and prices of Sony consoles are the same people clamoring and dreaming for a $1000 box from Xbox?

Somebody please help me make sense of this. Is it only ok if we get $1000 consoles as long as they have an Xbox logo on them?

The entire Xbox strategy hasn't made sense in ages tbh, so it is only logical that the stragglers' opinions don't make sense either.

Same guys who are clamoring for more consoles while claiming the console business is about to die soon. Same guys who clamor for a new handheld from Xbox when Xbox-affiliated handhelds are filling up the market by the bucketful.

It's a weird mix of hopium, brand spin and parasocial relationships gone rampant.

 

[clarky]

It's really simple yet MS seem to make things really complicated: Just shut the fuck up, make some great games that you can't experience anywhere else (and PC if you really must) and people will buy your shit.

Release substandard, half finished buggy games and people will buy other shit.

Going third party won't solve the issues.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

It works with Steam also but only Sony is evil, guys

Steams monopoly bothers me more, especially since people seem to embrace it. I’ve been screwed over by Steam far worse than Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft ever has.

 

[clarky]

Steams monopoly bothers me more, especially since people seem to embrace it. I’ve been screwed over by Steam far worse than Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft ever has.

How so? i've never had a issue with steam since its inception.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

The more I think of this, the more I feel that everything remains kinda the same, pretty much. With the only downside being reduced XS consoles sales. Which was going to happen regardless of this transition anyway.

My theory is that; as it stands, Xbox has over 20 studios or so. Any AAA project greenlit for any of those studios would cost at least $100M and in some cases even more than $200M. Xbox current model means that all their games are on gamepass day 1. This means that the majority of people that own an Xbox or PC, seldom will ever buy an Xbox game at full price. But what is even more disturbing is that gamepass subscriptions are stagnating so after 5 years of gamepass, they can clearly track how its progression and adoption will go. Whatever their analytics found, has led them to believe that they need to find some other way to take advantage of the massive portfolio of IPs they have.

Enter, Playstation. Now even if everything they have is released on the PS. The status quo doesn't really change. Why? They are releasing the games on PS to people who were not going to buy an Xbox anyways, and because the people that have an Xbox usually also have gamepass, they were not going to buy the games anyway. So their core supporters get the games on gamepass, be that PC/Console. Everyone else (Playstation) buys it.

Sounds fair and somewhat reasonable to me.

The only downside to any of this is that it would significantly erode Xbox hardware adoption, I am thinking like Steam deck levels of yearly adoption at its worst, so basically sub 5M sales per year. But I believe MS knows this, and they do not care. What they want to do is sell games, and sell gamepass. Surely, they must have looked at the revenue they can make from doing those things and decided that it's better than whatever they stand to make from third-party platform royalty fees on a console struggling to hit 30M sales with a user base that hardly buys games.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Well, they didn't really fuck up with the PS3. They fumbled it at the beggining but then they fixed it in a few years with the exclusive games.

It is a big list of bangers, weather people like the games or not, the would release pretty much hits yearly.

Agreed.

Was just comparing it to the other PS gens, which all sold 100+M.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Am I the only one thinking MS must come with some form of a statement and right now? Surely they don't want their userbase to ditch them based on rumours and hearsay?

Yes, dude! You are very clearly the only one who thinks that MS being quiet is bad. Aside from everyone, nobody else has shared this thought.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I hope after this, no matter how long it takes for these loonies...that everyone truly understands its a plastic box with some parts inside that plays video games.

Just, buy the games you want, where you want, buy the plastic you want but don't be emotionally attached to that plastic or the company behind it.

I kinda hope they palm it off to asus or msi or whoever and I may get my dream of buying a 1000 dollar xbox os themed steam machine type box I can plug into my telly.

Just need MS to sort the os out and the apk to make my games run.

But man. Being this crazy over people being able to play games wherever they want is wild.

Bookmarked.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Yes, dude! You are very clearly the only one who thinks that MS being quiet is bad. Aside from everyone, nobody else has shared this thought.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Maybe you should have.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

How so? i've never had a issue with steam since its inception.

I’m glad you asked, because I love telling this story.

Back in 2012, Steam was (I think) the only PC Gaming launcher. I bought Alice Madness Returns with a credit card. That same night I lost that credit card and called my bank to have it cancelled. My bank labeled it as stolen and the charge on Steam didn’t go through and flagged my account as purchasing games using a stolen credit card and I got locked out of my 100 library of games. Not the one game. All of them. It took 4 days of communication back and forth to get the account back. That was fucking ridiculous and I was asking myself what right Steam had to lock me from purchasing all of my legally purchased games. I do think Steam no longer does this, but I’ve favorite GOG ever since.