John Wick
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Beyond help. In denial. Buying 3rd party publishers is very very different to getting timed exclusivity. No one stopped MS from signing exclusive games.
So why do MS keep on giving false lip service and acting the victim?
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Starfield Was Planned For PS5 Prior To Microsoft's ZeniMax Acquisition, FTC Says
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So why do MS keep on giving false lip service and acting the victim?
Hero of Spielberg
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John Wick
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It goes against the MS narrative that they have been spinning. 'When we all don't play Xbox wins.' Devil's advocates out in forceNot releasing on is not the same as taking away, sorry
Hero of Spielberg
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I read it, it doesn't address it. You're sidestepping it.
Explain how them literally taking games in development off of other platforms is consistent with the statement that the deal was "not done to take games away from other platforms".
If they wanted to be consistent with that statement then would the logical thing to do not mean leave anything that's already in development alone instead of going out of their way to cancel games?In some instances they've even had to go as far to renegotiate contracts.
So come on, give it a spin.
It does address it.
The full quote was:
By ‘these games’, he’s talking about all Bethesda games. So for your point to be valid, it wouldn’t really just be about Starfield and Redfall. You’d basically be claiming that MS was promising to make ALL future Bethesda games multiplatform going forward.
And we know that’s not true, because they’d earlier laid down their ‘case by case’ promise.
We also know what they mean when they talk about expanding gaming and ‘reaching more people’
At that time (in 2021) Microsoft was way more bullish about Cloud, and had made plans to launch a cloud streaming device until market launch taught them a lesson. I believe the free Fortnite streaming didn’t even get much traction.
None of this is difficult to comprehend. But they say there are none so blind as those who will not see…
John Wick
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Why do you Xbox fans always blame Sony for Final Fantasy exclusivity?It’s been three years since FF7R Part 1 was released. I’m pretty sure everyone and their dog already knows it’s not coming to Xbox, and they know exactly why
And now the developer has canceled all other versions of Starfield and chosen to focus solely on one console. Same thing, right?
But that’s pretty much how you tried to explain away the Stellar Blade situation, isn’t it?
And now they own the IP and the developer and are perfectly free to set whatever release platform they want. Especially when they made no promises to consumers or regulators to keep the IP multi-platform.
Nothing is stopping MS to get an exclusive from SE. I'm sure they'll like MS money just as much as Sony’s.
Blame SE for not bringing FF to Xbox. Sony don't own SE or the IP.
FF7 was only available on PS.
John Wick
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Clearly in your brain. No they can't and being dense or t...k doesn't change that.Everyone can still play ... where's the issue?
Hero of Spielberg
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Lol. Why can't they play? What's stopping them?
Topher
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Not releasing on is not the same as taking away, sorry
Ok. So Microsoft cancelled the PlayStation version. Same difference.
You do know it takes 2 sides to make a deal. Microsoft can't just walk in and say yeah give us the next ff game as an exclusive.
Topher
Gold Member
So how did Sony do it?
Hero of Spielberg
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No, not really ... there's a distinct difference. You can't have something taken away from you that you never had in the first place.
MS said they wouldn't take anything away, and so far they've stuck to their word. I still see all ZeniMax titles on my PlayStation at the moment
Pipoqueiro
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I'm going to play this game on the PC, but I feel that those who only own a Playstation that Microsoft's argument about wanting to bring their games to more people doesn't really work
Did you see any blame in my previous comment? I’ve stated a fact. Sony’s bought themselves exclusivity. Microsoft’s doing the same. It’s business.
I’m pretty sure Bethesda would have loved Sony’s money for an outright purchase as much as they liked MS cash too. They certainly were happy to take cash for Deathloop and Ghostwire.
To borrow your own statement, nothing stopped Sony from putting in a bid.
i am shocked they did not try to pull death loop and gw away from ps5.
They walked in and offered cash + incentives. Cost them far less than it would have cost MS given their marketshare and regional situations.
Extremely implausible that MS would have been able to secure a deal like that.
At least now you know they keep to legally binding agreements
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FeastYoEyes
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Fair assessment.
Hero of Spielberg
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Everyone's going to be biased in this. That's what shits me the most about all these holier-than-thou arguments about honesty and crap from either side. They're all lying through their teeth, MS, Sony, FTC, CMA ... they've all got an agenda. I just want to see an absolute shit-fight between MS and Sony so they're giving me the best value possible!
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graywolf323
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I’m sure they would have if the contracts had been with another company instead of Sony directly given what we now know about Indiana Jones
Topher
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No, not really ... there's a distinct difference. You can't have something taken away from you that you never had in the first place.
MS said they wouldn't take anything away, and so far they've stuck to their word. I still see all ZeniMax titles on my PlayStation at the moment
Yeah, the result is the same. There was going to be a PlayStation version of Starfield and Indiana Jones but Microsoft said nope.. That's just a fact. And it flies in the face of this good guy narrative that Phil Spencer has been pushing as to their motivations for buying Bethesda. You are right that he didn't technically lie, but that means he is only "technically" telling the truth as well. Put it this way: if Phil Spencer wanted to be completely honest and say "we cancelled the PS version of Starfield" then he could have done that. He didn't. So half-truths and all that implies.
Completely plausible for a $2 trillion to outbid Sony. Profitable? Probably not which is why they didn't do it.
Gamerguy84
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Looks like the good Ol console wars are leaking into the real world, I know an Xbox fan at work. He's always bashing Sony and has no idea I'm even a gamer. He'll never know what's coming.
War is coming gentlemen, prepare yourselves.
War is coming gentlemen, prepare yourselves.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Already announced platforms and release windows when the acquisition happened. And no Xbox builds for either in any state of development at that time.
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Hero of Spielberg
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As above, lose the 'good guy' 'bad guy' mindset. It's business, they're out to get each other no matter what they say. Honesty is a mugs game in business and Jim tells as many porkies as Phil. Beyond that, even if they do personally feel a certain 'honest' way, there will be business-wide motivations beyond their control. Sony and MS aren't small businesses where a manager from a division here or there calls the shots on organisational strategy.
Topher
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I never had the "good guy" "bad guy" mindset. I've said for ages Microsoft and Sony are equally as bad with this shit. But Phil Spencer is the one pushing this bullshit "good guy" image. Not Jim Ryan. Jim Ryan acts like he barely gives a shit what gamers think of him. And I say that not caring very much for Jim Ryan at all.
Don't fall for their "woe is me" use of data. Starfield will have a considerable impact in most regions they care about.
They have a far greater percentage in regions they care about than they lead on even though their worldwide numbers aren't as high. They parade around worldwide numbers to regulators while not caring about most regions. They are absolutely terrible at catering to the rest of the world, especially when comes to things like localisation. I'd argue that their massive gap around the world and Europe was due to their own lack of interest in countries that they thought were lower revenue and not worth it. That's why their revenue punches way above their console install base. If anybody remembers the Xbox one they would remember the Tier 2 and Tier 3 countries where they didn't care about those regions and let PS build that worldwide lead.
This image was going round because of the very limited amount of countries they launched in
If they get a sizable lead or monopoly in a few of these priority countries they would be over the moon even if they have lower worldwide console sales. For now they'll just use the worldwide install base to suggest they are disadvantaged when it was their own lack of interest in most regions that caused the gap worldwide.
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Hero of Spielberg
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Big deal if Phil pushes a 'good guy' image ... he probably is, but people have to make a buck, especially those in positions like him. Shit, we could have far worse. As for Jim, yeah, he seems a bit disinterested in what people think of him, probably why he's so successful business-wise.
As I've mentioned previously, I couldn't;t care less how much either of them lie ... I don't want to see a monopoly or unfair competition in the market and this deal doesn't create that in any conceivable way possible as far as I can see. So, I say have at it ... let them fight, and give us better value.
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Topher
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You do you then. If I see a guy who is trying to be a leader in the gaming industry and his actions don't match his words then I'll continue to call it out. To each their own, I guess.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Zenimax acquisition is a tragedy.
Hero of Spielberg
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Fair enough. I'd say for all their failures they're both pretty good at matching their words, but sometimes they have to play a bit dirty!
Slicker than your average
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Oh wow you sure showed me...I have a post history with me being positive about both Xbox and PlayStation. Including some recent ‘ms shill’ posts praising FFXVI
Yours when it comes to Xbox? Dire.
I see these insults for what they are. An inability to offer a sensible, logical rebuttal so you take the easy way out.
Cheers anyway. You tried
Bragging about post history and how you recently praised final fantasy doesn't mean you can't and dont shill. Get real.
They're not insults; they're facts.
Right now there is alot of negative discussion and discord around Xbox and ms, why? Because their constant blatant lies and double speak have all came out in court. Not that most of us with half a brain needed to see it in court as their actions never aline with their lies.
With that said the die hards have kept quiet, avoid threads/discussion or faux ignorance. A few clowns have played the all corporations are the same and Sony too card.
And here's you defence force out in full force. There's nothing to defend bro. Ms has been caught doing what it always does. Buying out whatever field they're and destroying competition. Literally a Simpson gif on it from the 90s. Nothings changed.
SEGAvangelist
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Didn't we already know Sony was about to money hat the game before MS made the acquisition?
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Why? MS has the money, they could overbid Sony with a big margin, and could give a75/25 split for SE...
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Not just about cash, is it? Xbox marketshare in Japan and the way the JRPG fanbase is skewed would mean a truly crazy amount to do this, and Square would still have balked at the public backlash in Japan.
Possible? Yes. Plausible? No. Profitable? 1000% not. Which is why nobody at MS would have signed off on it.
All this vitriol because Microsoft decided to keep some of their own first party games exclusive?
Why should I concern myself with the manufactured outrage of forum bros when pretty much all but one regulator accepts that none of their purchases (or planned purchase of ABK) constitutes anti-competitive behavior in the console gaming space? Or when Jim Ryan himself privately admits that the deal does nothing to PlayStation?
‘Destroying competition’ by keeping Starfield and Indiana Jones exclusive? You can’t be serious.
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ZoukGalaxy
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No, wars or accidents are a tragedy, this is just business, as wrong and stupid it is.
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Topher
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No, I agree. I do think MS would be willing to sacrifice some profitability to make some inroads in Japan, but only so far. At the same time, we know Phil Spencer has been having conversations in Japan and I don't doubt for a second that he would jump at the chance to do a deal like FFXVI.
Morrie’s wig shop
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Why do you people keep taking the talking heads so fucking serious, it’s there job to sugar coat, and tell you exactly what you want to hear.
I’m starting think you guys are Phil super fans. It’s like arguing fucking politics. If you lot would set aside your bias of plastic boxes and just enjoyed the games that each console makers 1st party exclusive games (regardless if they were bought or “organically” grown like a fucking crop) then we can all discuss the games without the politics behind it.
Nobody here is changing anything about this industry. We’re all just faceless and nameless entities on the other end of a screen somewhere on this planet that share a common love of video games.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Have you heard yourself
. The destroy competition was refering to destroying Sony by buying Activision not starfield. You're not capable of looking at ms history regarding monopolies it seems because the company as a long history of anti competitive behaviour and buying the biggest 3rd party publisher sure is anti competitive, especially when you throw in their bullshit double speak and quotes of destroying Sony.
You can carry on shilling now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Have you heard yourself
Yesterday's hearing and SEC filings have already mentioned that MS didn't consider the Acti acquisition until Nov/Dec 2021. The email in 2019 was not about Activision.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
So apparently it's come out in the FTC trial that Starfield was supposed to be PS5 exclusive but fortunately Xbox bought Bethesda. Sony fans feeling persecuted because instead of a PS5 exclusive it is an Xbox first party and exclusive to Xbox/PC.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...val-watch-ot.1641775/page-1186#post-268106492
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...val-watch-ot.1641775/page-1186#post-268106492
FoxMcChief
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Smart
But sadly those PS5 only bros can still play the game on any number of other non-Xbox devices.
But sadly those PS5 only bros can still play the game on any number of other non-Xbox devices.
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NoLootBoxDev
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ChuckeRearmed
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I guess that rumor now is validated.
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HeisenbergFX4
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ToTTenTranz
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And it also funds Microsoft's deals, hurting Sony back...?
Phil Spencer actually thought it was a good idea to bring this up?
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
We knew this since 2020
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