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[phil_t98]

More or less that was alleviated as far as I am concerned (I don't have FPS counter on Xbox), I sank already like 300 hours between PC and Xbox and simply love it, one of my games of forever. But I do love flying even in the real world, I have PPL licence. Bare that in mind.

my daughter is using it to help learn to fly. she currently in the air cadets and used a million £ flight sim and was saying how good flight sim was in helping her. she got special award for how good she did, she only 14 to

 

[M1chl]

my daughter is using it to help learn to fly. she currently in the air cadets and used a million £ flight sim and was saying how good flight sim was in helping her. she got special award for how good she did, she only 14 to

This makes me emotional, safe skies

 

[DenchDeckard]

See there it is again - "everyone else is wrong, my opinion is correct". And you wonder why those threads have seen the responses they have. The fact that reviewers have to rush through games and end up forming the opinion that they arrive at isn't the boon you think it is for your stance - there were plenty people in those threads who shared the opinion of the OP whom also happened to rush and mainline through those games.

The only thing that's borked is multi-trillion dollar businesses failing to get quality games out on a consistent basis and then being afforded all the excuses in the world resulting in them blaming anyone but themselves.

I have no problem with someone saying they adored ragnarok or horizon. If they think those are masterpieces that is absolutely fine but there's nothing wrong with me thinking good for them but our tastes obviously do not align and what I consider to be a good video game or a masterpiece is drastically different from theirs.

When they are in a thread discussing flaws with a game and smashing empathy or crying face emojis on users posts...thats pretty telling.

 

[Poltz]

Trolling !!! Bye,bye

Yes I am trolling because I want to see games running on Series X/S.

 

[rofif]

whatever it may be; it should be 60 fps man. 30 fps on fps games is pretty rough. I can understand for something like cpunk metro exodus and stuff but not for this one

i dunno why them bethesda studios do not use each others engines or stuff. idtech is pretty optimized they used it before. what is with this unreal engine passion

Yea I agree of course.
Funnily enough the full rt metro exodus is like 1800p 60fps lol

 

[Poltz]

Weird shit is how this game for mediocre that is, managed to get all the hate attention, not even Gotham Knights and Forspoken that ran as low as 700p got that much of discussion.

Gotham Knights got slated for 30 FPS.

 

[Dane]

Gotham Knights got slated for 30 FPS.

For five minutes, Redfall was regarded by forums and twitter as a mediocre game just like Gotham did, then why are making a fuss that didn't happen with the other two games?

 

[Poltz]

For five minutes, Redfall was regarded by forums and twitter as a mediocre game just like Gotham did, then why are making a fuss that didn't happen with the other two games?

I mean Gotham Knights flopped.

 

[Dane]

I mean Gotham Knights flopped.

Yes, and people here and other places are saying that Redfall is dead since its announcement, then why make a fuss? It seems that 80% of the discussion is entirely based on hatred of Xbox rather than the issue of 30 FPS, if Redfall wasn't an Xbox game only a few people would have bothered with the announcement.

 

[FrankieSab]

Odd choice for a FPS. I would have started with a 60fps whatever the resolution and patch a quality mode later.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Yes, and people here and other places are saying that Redfall is dead since its announcement, then why make a fuss? It seems that 80% of the discussion is entirely based on hatred of Xbox rather than the issue of 30 FPS, if Redfall wasn't an Xbox game only a few people would have bothered with the announcement.

Enough with the console warring, mate. Just because people are critical of a game doesn't mean they "hate Xbox" or whatever nonsensical bullshit you pull from your arse.

 

[Poltz]

Yes, and people here and other places are saying that Redfall is dead since its announcement, then why make a fuss? It seems that 80% of the discussion is entirely based on hatred of Xbox rather than the issue of 30 FPS, if Redfall wasn't an Xbox game only a few people would have bothered with the announcement.

30FPS for first person shooter on this gen of consoles is unacceptable. Like I said before Hellblade 2 could get away with it. Your persecution complex is odd. First party games are held to a higher standard than 3rd party too.

 

[Roman Empire]

Game is a prime example of watching an accident about to happen but not being able to avoid looking at it. I'll boot it up on PC but this being 30fps on launch, looking the way it is, and being online only screams rushed project that only aims for profit. I doubt Arkane actually cares about this.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

30 fps shooters can only be pulled off in recent times if it's a really good with a hook. Someone brought up Destiny, ok fine that's one game.

It's like new GTA and Bethesda RPGs running at 30 fps max when they release. And 30 fps is being generous. But the games are so big in production values, scope, and they arent twitchy shooter games. So the games can be forgiven. You dont need ultra reflexes at 60 fps to slash a skeleton.

But imagine mediocre tier open world games running at 25-30 fps. Forget it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I guess the untethered 4 player co op is to blame? I can't possibly think whatever else it could be.

 

[onQ123]

Weird shit is how this game for mediocre that is, managed to get all the hate attention, not even Gotham Knights and Forspoken that ran as low as 700p got that much of discussion.

Forspoken got a lot of hate lol

 

[begotten]

Who cares about 60FPS, tell us more about the player engagement MS please.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Focus on the best game you can make. I hate having to pick the video modes nowadays. It gives me horrible FOMO having to choose between 4K or 60 fps and I honestly am starting to hate it.

In the Gamecube days I never would’ve even thought about what frame rate Wind Waker or TTYD, or Sunshine were running at. The games were amazing, and honestly nothing else really mattered.

 

[sendit]

I guess the untethered 4 player co op is to blame? I can't possibly think whatever else it could be.

The game supports crossplay with PC.

 

[Poltz]

Forspoken is a Square Enix game.

 

[MikeM]

Focus on the best game you can make. I hate having to pick the video modes nowadays. It gives me horrible FOMO having to choose between 4K or 60 fps and I honestly am starting to hate it.

In the Gamecube days I never would’ve even thought about what frame rate Wind Waker or TTYD, or Sunshine were running at. The games were amazing, and honestly nothing else really mattered.

Imagine having more than one choice in anything in life. The horror…

 

[Heisenberg007]

I guess the untethered 4 player co op is to blame? I can't possibly think whatever else it could be.

Ghost of Tsushima has 4 player co-op, looks better, and runs at 60 FPS. The same goes for Back 4 Blood.

That cannot be the reason.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Imagine having more than one choice in anything in life. The horror…

Right. Some want the choice, some just want the game in it’s best possible shape, at whatever resolution/fps rate they were able to hit with the new consoles

I am slowly moving into the second one, and I am sure I am not alone. If I wanted a PC and have to pick all these settings to just play the game, I’d have bought a gaming PC rig .

 

[Heisenberg007]

Yes I am trolling because I want to see games running on Series X/S.

 

[Poltz]

People here have forgotten Spider Man PS4 puddle gate it seems. How funny was that?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This has a something to do with the extra scrutiny as well,

“You don’t ever want to leave people out, right? But at the end of the day, your ability to focus and say, this is the game I want to make, these are the platforms I want to make it on, and being able to really lean in on those is going to make for a better product.

Bethesda says it understands if PlayStation fans are ‘pissed’ about Xbox exclusivity | VGC

But leading studio figures say focusing on fewer platforms results in better games…

www.videogameschronicle.com

They even follow up with a Redfall pic.

Make for a better product.
Make
a better product

 

[MikeM]

Right. Some want the choice, some just want the game in it’s best possible shape, at whatever resolution/fps rate they were able to hit with the new consoles

I am slowly moving into the second one, and I am sure I am not alone. If I wanted a PC and have to pick all these settings to just play the game, I’d have bought a gaming PC rig .

Then don’t touch the settings and just play the game? Or buy a Series S which seems to have less customizable options.

 

[Rush2112]

Yes, and people here and other places are saying that Redfall is dead since its announcement, then why make a fuss? It seems that 80% of the discussion is entirely based on hatred of Xbox rather than the issue of 30 FPS, if Redfall wasn't an Xbox game only a few people would have bothered with the announcement.

Xbox promotes mediocrity via gamepass. Theyre going for quantity over quality. For the record, every single sony exclusive this gen runs at 60 fps.

 

[Dane]

Xbox promotes mediocrity via gamepass. Theyre going for quantity over quality. For the record, every single sony exclusive this gen runs at 60 fps.

I didn't know that Hi-Fi Rush, Persona, Monster Hunter Rise, Wo Long and Chained Echoes were mediocre.

 

[TheGodfather07]

microsofts new strategy

1. make an unfinished rushed game
2. promise to fix issues later
3. put it on gamepass
4. boast about player numbers
5. when people start questioning, make an acquisition.
6. rinse and repeat.

meanwhile they lose even more marketshare and software sales totally tank for even major 3rd party games like resident evil and hogwarts.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This has a something to do with the extra scrutiny as well,
Make for a better product.
Make
a better product

L after L

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Weird shit is how this game for mediocre that is, managed to get all the hate attention, not even Gotham Knights and Forspoken that ran as low as 700p got that much of discussion.

Forspoken is a meme.

Redfall won't reach that status. It's Arkane and all.

At worst it will be above average.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The game supports crossplay with PC.

Yeah I mean with the locked 60fps on console

Ghost of Tsushima has 4 player co-op, looks better, and runs at 60 FPS. The same goes for Back 4 Blood.

That cannot be the reason.

Oh I didn't know got was the co plate open world untethered 4 player co op.

Back 4 blood is a linear one direction level with checkpoints....your point makes no sense here

 

[ANDS]

Ghost of Tsushima has 4 player co-op, looks better, and runs at 60 FPS. The same goes for Back 4 Blood.

That cannot be the reason.

Yes, because the small MP maps in GOT with controlled spawns, is the same as a full open world with co-op.

. . .so obvious. So, sooooooo obvious.

 

[adamsapple]

Ghost of Tsushima has 4 player co-op, looks better, and runs at 60 FPS. The same goes for Back 4 Blood.

That cannot be the reason.

Tsushima's co-op scale is tiny in comparison and Back 4 blood is literally a set of long corridors ala Left 4 Dead. It's not like Redfall at all.

I thought we'd have dropped this false equivalency of a comparison months ago.

 

[systemr123]

Yes, and people here and other places are saying that Redfall is dead since its announcement, then why make a fuss? It seems that 80% of the discussion is entirely based on hatred of Xbox rather than the issue of 30 FPS, if Redfall wasn't an Xbox game only a few people would have bothered with the announcement.

It would be butchered exactly the same, or even more.

 

[systemr123]

microsofts new strategy

1. make an unfinished rushed game
2. promise to fix issues later
3. put it on gamepass
4. boast about player numbers
5. when people start questioning, make an acquisition.
6. rinse and repeat.

meanwhile they lose even more marketshare and software sales totally tank for even major 3rd party games like resident evil and hogwarts.

4.5. Don't deliver on promises made on point 2.

 

[Punished Miku]

People are really exaggerating with 30fps being unplayable with shooters. Destiny 2 on PS4/XB1 launched at 30fps and was perfectly playable and became popular on those platforms.

I get that this is a next gen only release and we're no longer on PS4/XB1 but 'unplayable' is just hyperbole. It's just weird to me that they concentrated on 4k and the game doesn't seem to be doing much to be CPU bound.

I've learned over the last 6 months that I can ignore a lot of the graphics talk on here. It just doesn't apply to me. I dont watch Digital Foundry anymore. Can't remember what game they were trashing but I had already played it a lot and honestly didn't notice anything. All I heard about Ghostwire on Xbox is that its fundamentally broken and stutters. Played it for hours last night on Series S and think it looks awesome.

I prefer 60 fps so I'll wait for an update on this easily. Probably will just be playing Zelda instead for a while. Arkane deserves the criticism but people go overboard too.

 

[Dane]

It would be butchered exactly the same, or even more.

Nah, Gotham is an Arkham series game, Forspoken was developed by Square Enix Luminous Division, these two games were below their standards and were forgotten way before the release, even Suicide Squad is forgotten.

Forspoken is a meme.

Redfall won't reach that status. It's Arkane and all.

At worst it will be above average.

There's always a first time for everything, just like CDPR with Cyberpunk.

 

[bluecowboys]

Odd choice for a FPS. I would have started with a 60fps whatever the resolution and patch a quality mode later.

Apparently in one of Colin’s M. podcast he spoke to a developer and he said most gamers opt for quality mode (70%) of time even if default is performance mode.

Maybe they saw the data and said we should aim for quality mode over performance?

We have to remember we are the vocal minority sadly. I rather have 60 fps myself.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Xbox promotes mediocrity via gamepass. Theyre going for quantity over quality. For the record, every single sony exclusive this gen runs at 60 fps.

Which games so far this gen are exclusive to just PS5? Not including ones announced but unreleased. Seems like that would be a really a short list

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Then don’t touch the settings and just play the game? Or buy a Series S which seems to have less customizable options.

That’s not my point. My point is because there’s two or three options on most games, you have to choose one over the other.

Also not true with the S, still have to choose. Just no 4K option

 

[DeepEnigma]

Which games so far this gen are exclusive to PS5? Not including ones announced but unreleased

Demon's Souls (Impeccable IQ)
Ratchet & Clank (even has a great 60/RT mode)
Returnal
TLoU: Part 1

Call of the Mountain will be PS5 only, still have 60, and has had some nice upgrades to geometry, lighting, enhanced volumetric in the cloud systems, IQ, etc..

Probably a few more PS5 only games I forgot about or were forgotten about like Destruction All Stars.

Spider-Man 2 will more than likely have modes like R&C. Insomniac are just beasts though and have their streaming engine tech down to a science around the PS5's architecture.

 

[Dane]

Apparently in one of Colin’s M. podcast he spoke to a developer and he said most gamers opt for quality mode (70%) of time even if default is performance mode.

Maybe they saw the data and said we should aim for quality mode over performance?

We have to remember we are the vocal minority sadly. I rather have 60 fps myself.

I did play Dying Light on PC and Switch, on the former I was playing at +90-120 FPS (it doesn't have good scalabity above 60 FPS), the latter it was 30 FPS with few dips, its a great port btw, and got used to it in 30-60 mins, its jarring at the beginning but then you adapt to it.

I was confused to complains of Ghostwire on XSSX and PS5, the game almost gets 60 FPS constantly, perhaps the frametime is very bad?

 

[Jimmyisback]

I'm still 6 pages back but is this real and are you genuine?
I've only heard of Press Start, but at least they have some bullshit rags for pull quotes on the cover of the Game of the Year edition.
The game wasn't good and will be forgotten.
I also love the super cringe art we have here. Nothing says fun like a black guy menacing with a gun and charging up his poodle fist to lash out in violence. HOW OUT OF TOUCH!!

There are 109 reviews on metacritic with an meta average of 88. It's a damn good game.

 

[diffusionx]

Which games so far this gen are exclusive to just PS5? Not including ones announced but unreleased. Seems like that would be a really a short list

Sony put GOWR, HFW, and GT7 on PS4 basically as a good gesture to that userbase, and made them respectable versions but those are obviously all PS5 games first and foremost, and they're moving on with stuff like Burning Shores. Of course, that will be used to shit on them in console wars talk.

 

[ReBurn]

Sure you can "play" it - you can also play this:

The funny thing is that ET isn't even close to the worst game on the 2600. If it had a different name the inevitable video game crash would have been blamed on something else.

 

[//DEVIL//]

What a joke of a game and developers.

It's obvious the talent in that studio left a long time ago. To a release a game that look like a PS3.5 ( honestly some PS4 games look much better and has co op ) with only 30 fps ..... The audacity...

I am guessing their 60 fps version will look like a ps2 game at this rate ?

This is why I am fearing call of duty with MS. They are horrible at managing their team.

 

[Kvally]

Xbox promotes mediocrity via gamepass. Theyre going for quantity over quality. For the record, every single sony exclusive this gen runs at 60 fps.

Halo Infinite: 60/120
Forza Horizon 5: 60/120
Hi-Fi Rush: 60
Pentiment: 60
Gears 5 XSX Edition: 60/120
Forza Motorsport 8: 60
Grounded: 60
Redfall: 60
As Dusk Falls: 60
Gears Tactics XSX Edition: 60
Psychonauts 2: 60

Flight Simulator 2020: 30

 

[DeepEnigma]

Redfall: 60