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[Giallo Corsa]

I really don't mind 30fps. But it has to be done well (low input lag like bloodborne) and be worth it graphically. problem is redfall looks like assssssssssssssss

Rof, I also don't have that much of a problem with a GOOD 30fps game, but, since getting an OLED...well, it's literally a no-go since it looks fucking terrible, it's like...I don't know how to explain it, it's stuttery and looks like the framerate is even lower than actual 30 ?
It's so bad that I'd actually prefer turning "true motion" on (frame interpolation) and play with image artifacts and much higher input lag (I know I'm gonna get blasted for this ).

TLDNR : 30fps on an OLED is literally unplayable

 

[Riky]

They should have prioritized performance mode ahead of 4k like Halo Infinite for a FPS, released the quality mode later.
Since all the footage and previews were 60fps it shouldn't be far away.

 

[rofif]

I finished this at 30fps and it was fine.
When the graphics are WORTH it and input lag is not vsynced piece of shit, it can be fine. Good motion blur helps a lot too especially on oled which HATES 30fps. Horizon got mid motion blur. UC4 wins here at 30fps and feels even better

 

[bluecowboys]

If you're buying an Xbox over a PlayStation in 2023 you deserve what you get.

What multiplayer games do PS5 have?

 

[rofif]

Rof, I also don't have that much of a problem with a GOOD 30fps game, but, since getting an OLED...well, it's literally a no-go since it looks fucking terrible, it's like...I don't know how to explain it, it's stuttery and looks like the framerate is even lower than actual 30 ?
It's so bad that I'd actually prefer turning "true motion" on (frame interpolation) and play with image artifacts and much higher input lag (I know I'm gonna get blasted for this ).

TLDNR : 30fps on an OLED is literally unplayable

Oh yeah for sure. Read my post above.
30fps on oled is not good. It requires a very good motion blur solution to help a bit.

 

[vj27]

This is what I was like for Tchia, I was so hyped for it and when I booted it up I nearly felt sick (literally) because it was 30fps and it didn't feel good. Luckily a 60fps patch came out a couple of days later and it was a joy to play. Hopefully they can get a patch out for this within a few days or weeks at most, or I imagine the zeitgeist will pass and people will move on. Maybe PC is its best chance of relevance initially.

Man see now I regret buying a gaming laptop. I got this nice 240hz hdmi 2.1 decently sized monitor for my room, I just like playing all my games on there. My gaming laptop is more of a work space than anything, I open it up and I’m just like ugh . It’s as powerful as my series x to so I really have no excuse, plus I gamepass ultimate… damnit I guess I’m playing PC this time around.

Also I can just plug my laptop directly into my monitor, shit would have my tv table looking a damn mess though.

 

[Kvally]

What multiplayer games do PS5 have?

Don't take Gunther's bait.

 

[tmlDan]

Every game is different. Does Genshin have 4 player coop?

Like I said, its a resources issue. I am pretty sure if it was as easy as reducing resolution to get to 60 fps they wouldve done it already.

yes, you can invite 3 other people to play with you and its almost instant.

 

[R3claimer117]

Lol now redfall is everyone’s most anticipated game because the 60 FPS mode on console not being there at launch is the the deal breaker huh? Hopefully arkane gets that patch out for consoles soon. Man people love their negative Xbox news.

 

[adamsapple]

If you're buying an Xbox over a PlayStation in 2023 you deserve what you get.

 

[Varteras]

What multiplayer games do PS5 have?

For now, I would avoid list wars to defend Xbox, bud.

 

[MadPanda]

I just don't understand why didn't they delay it a couple of months more and lunch it with those options? This is such a strange decision. As far as I'm concerned, the game has just been delayed as I don't want to play it at 30fps.

 

[GHG]

It's sad that he let's them use him like this to garner opinion.

Zero journalistic integrity.

 

[rofif]

Nobody cared when Arkane did 30fps for dishonored games and Prey... but these were amazing games and looked great too

 

[Abriael_GN]

The melodrama over 60 fps vs 30 fps is always juicy. It's become basically an issue of religion.

Don't like 30? It's not like there isn't anything to play until they implement 60. This is such a nontroversy.

 

[Topher]

But you could say every game has potential. There are very few games that release without any redeeming features that if developed properly could have turned an average/bad game into a good one.

I tend to try and only judge games once they are finished because games development is dynamic, but sometimes something is so obvious that the rot needs to be stopped and feedback needs to be given.

In this case hopefully there is an avenue for then to delay the game and improve things where necessary (which is a lot of places).

That's all fine, but I'm still going to have my own observations of a game and they are not always going to line up with the observations of others. Someone else's opinion may be obvious to them, but that doesn't mean I have to share it. That shouldn't be problematic.

I do agree with you though and hope Arkane wises up and delays the game.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

It's sad that he let's them use him like this to garner opinion.

Zero journalistic integrity.

It’s not journalism imo

 

[TheTony316]

 

[skyfall]

Good thing Arkane knows where their priorities are:

The game was just a pass for me, but now I hope the studio goes bust

 

[rickybooby87]

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Starfield is going to be 30 FPS isnt it?

Oh absolutely.

While I don't have an Xbox anymore (redundant with pc) I really wish Microsoft would jump on the 40fps train for 120hz displays. It feels so much better than 30fps and you get to keep the visuals and resolution. It works great on Sony 1st party games. I actually tried capping FH5 to 40fps on my pc and I loved it as well. My 3060ti sits at about 80% GPU usage with 4K/DLSS/Extreme settings. I could turn off DLSS and still hit 40 but I like lowering the load on my GPU when possible.

 

[StealthGoblin]

If the game wasn’t ready for launch, it shouldn’t launch. This needed a longer delay then.

 

[01011001]

Nobody cared when Arkane did 30fps for dishonored games and Prey... but these were amazing games and looked great too

Dishonored 2 on console was unplayable... with input lag like crazy and bad framepacing.

Prey on console was unplayable, with the exception of the One X version, which was the only one with relatively ok framepacing and ok input lag.

their games were awful on console in the past. and in the past they had excuses as to why the games ran that way.
Prey was a complex immersive sim with tons of pyhsics and small interactive objects littered around the environment, a heavy reliance on render to texture viewpoints, running on Jaguar CPU cores, some of the worst CPUs ever created.

RedFall has no excuse looking like a last gen game and running at 30fps.

 

[Fart Knight]

Oh absolutely.

While I don't have an Xbox anymore (redundant with pc) I really wish Microsoft would jump on the 40fps train for 120hz displays. It feels so much better than 30fps and you get to keep the visuals and resolution. It works great on Sony 1st party games. I actually tried capping FH5 to 40fps on my pc and I loved it as well. My 3060ti sits at about 80% GPU usage with 4K/DLSS/Extreme settings. I could turn off DLSS and still hit 40 but I like lowering the load on my GPU when possible.

40 still feels slow

 

[Represent.]

More devs will probably follow suit btw.

As Ive screamed for years, it’s really only Twitter and forum nerds who complain about framerate modes and shit.

My casual ass gamer cousins have no fucking clue what that stuff is and just want good graphics

 

[NickFire]

In a short timeframe Halo co-op was cancelled, Redfall was announced as only 30 fps, and BG3 was delayed on Xbox because of technical issues. I think this is clearly a Series S issue and not a GP or dev issue. GP alone would not explain why they couldn't just limit Series S to 30 and give full 60-120 to Series X at launch.

 

[Abriael_GN]

As Ive screamed for years, it’s really only Twitter and forum nerds who complain about framerate modes and shit.

My casual ass gamer cousins have no fucking clue what that stuff is and just want good graphics

Ding ding ding ding! We got a winner!

The most hilarious take is the people demanding a delay because if they can't play at 60 FPS immediately, no one should be allowed to play!

 

[kyoji]

Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only:

• Xbox Series X: 4K 30 FPS
• Xbox Series S: 1440p 30 FPS

Performance mode will be added via game update at a later date.

Holy shit! Jim ryan and playstation cant keep getting away with paying to sabotage xbox exclusives and first party games, this is nuts!

Sounds eerily similar to the halo infinite launch, we are 3 years into the gen so i know those tools are baked by now! Fk you sony!!

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I wish they would lower it to 24FPS for that cinematic feeling.

But seriously, why performance wasn’t prioritized? I mean it is a shooter.

Who knows? Anyways, I almost always play on the quality mode unless it plays like a slideshow. I tend to not notice framerate issues that bother some people.

 

[Kvally]

So all the media got to do the previews of the game and play it. Why didn't they complain?

 

[JTCx]

MS clearly forgot to send over the Tools.

 

[STARSBarry]

Ding ding ding ding! We got a winner!

No he's 100% wrong because he's not thinking casual enough, the casual gamer plays mobile and only cares about match 4 puzzle games, not graphics...

If you want to go down the "only this small minority of gamers care about..." track you better be only looking at mobile gaming because only a tiny percentage of people who think they are "real" gamers buy a console at all and play games for graphics.

Move aside you elitist console gamers, only the true mobile gaming massive have the correct opinion on what matters to gaming.

 

[Venom Snake]

There’s always something exposing this shill

 

[skit_data]

Rof, I also don't have that much of a problem with a GOOD 30fps game, but, since getting an OLED...well, it's literally a no-go since it looks fucking terrible, it's like...I don't know how to explain it, it's stuttery and looks like the framerate is even lower than actual 30 ?
It's so bad that I'd actually prefer turning "true motion" on (frame interpolation) and play with image artifacts and much higher input lag (I know I'm gonna get blasted for this ).

TLDNR : 30fps on an OLED is literally unplayable

I haven’t made the connection earlier (assumed it was getting used to 60fps since the start of this gen) but you’re right. Since getting an OLED 30fps just feels so much worse. I don’t know exactly how to explain, it feels ”smeary” in a wierd way.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

40 still feels slow

40fps or even 30fps is bearable in TPV, but for FPS 60fps should be the minimum no matter the visual hit.

 

[Valt7786]

Nobody cared when Arkane did 30fps for dishonored games and Prey... but these were amazing games and looked great too

Dishonored was on xbox 360 and single player. No one expected it to be 60fps lol.

This is a multiplayer shooter releasing on a "next gen" console, performance mode AT LEAST should have been in there day 1.
But hey, at least the kiddies and casuals have their Series S for Fortnite and CoD, made it all worth it!

 

[L*][*N*K]

I wish they have delayed it

 

[OverHeat]

40fps or even 30fps is bearable in TPV, but for FPS 60fps should be the minimum no matter the visual hit.

Listen to this men!!! But for me it’s 120fps minimum

 

[mansoor1980]

looks to be 60 fps in this older video




weird move by arkane

 

[JTCx]

just want good graphics

Well youre not getting that either

 

[onQ123]

It's sad that he let's them use him like this to garner opinion.

Zero journalistic integrity.

That's weird that Windows Central been down on Xbox lately

 

[diffusionx]

Holy shit! Jim ryan and playstation cant keep getting away with paying to sabotage xbox exclusives and first party games, this is nuts!

Sounds eerily similar to the halo infinite launch, we are 3 years into the gen so i know those tools are baked by now! Fk you sony!!

Tired: Microsoft will acquire studios and insert bugs and worse performance into the Sony versions
Wired: Microsoft will acquire studios and insert bugs and worse performance into the Microsoft versions.

 

[mdkirby]

likely because it's co-op which may be a series X player with a Series S player, and they are struggling to get 60 fps running on the Series S and have decided its important to have fps parity between players, and are unwilling to compromise to achieve it.

 

[Topher]

40fps or even 30fps is bearable in TPV, but for FPS 60fps should be the minimum no matter the visual hit.

And this is a first party game. It is just baffling to me.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

looks to be 60 fps in this older video




weird move by arkane

Leaked photo of the dev PC used for this gameplay:

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Nobody cared when Arkane did 30fps for dishonored games and Prey... but these were amazing games and looked great too

Not to mention Bloodborne, which seems to be a lot of people's favorite game of all time

 

[Fredrik]

More devs will probably follow suit btw.

As Ive screamed for years, it’s really only Twitter and forum nerds who complain about framerate modes and shit.

My casual ass gamer cousins have no fucking clue what that stuff is and just want good graphics

Loud Twitter noise is quite obviously enough to take away any sexy lady and cater to a loud and tiny group who wants women to look like men, so don’t underestimate the noise.

Delay it MS. Or just release it on PC now and release the console version later. 30fps-only at launch will hurt review scores, launch day talk, post-launch social media talk, forum talk, Youtube talk, and in the end the whole IP. It’s 2023. 30fps is not enough for fast action. It has never been enough.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Why do these consoles seem
So underpowered already?

 

[Freeman76]

Fuck that noise. Will wait for the patch before jumping in.

 

[Fredrik]

Why do these consoles seem
So underpowered

Because devs are so horny for 4K resolution.