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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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Can’t we just kill Russia off with one sweep? So tired of all this news …
Well we could have stopped it months ago .. nice and slow politics..
Nice story .. and I wouldn’t count on it .. and I am from the EU… EU doesn’t have a stockpile of military equipment either . And also never underestimate your enemy. The west is a democracy, taking decisions takes ages .. will Putin decides on the fly.
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Liljagare
Member
Some countries do have alot more in storage than the general public knows about..
And, today Sweden will finalize the decision to send 12 Archers to Ukraine, it is also talked about some armoured vehicles, but they have kept what model/type under a tight lid, they are also deciding on continuing the training of Ukrainan forces in asymmetric warfare, there has been a few hundred down on site since 2016 to help train the armed forces of Ukraine.
Ukraine for example needs 300 - 500 tanks .. for a so successful assault the UK sends 12. Sweden 12 archers , you can see how it’s almost a bad joke ? Not ? Germany undecided on almost everything .. only the US .. again is getting shit done , a country outside of the EU. I would almost cry … and I am from the EU. And all that training BS, they could have been trained on all equipment from March last year .. just wait tm.
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Liljagare
Member
They announced it, 12 Archers formally and also 50 STRF 90 (40 mm AKAN, machine gun, transports 7 fully equipped troopers, active counter measures) and more antitank shoulder fired weapons (PSVRrB 57 NLAW).
Nice package!!
(edit: they are also going to send small arms (AK5's?), mine clearing equipment, grenade rifles and smaller antiarmour single use launchers, and more Robot 17, antiship missile system).
Nice package!!
(edit: they are also going to send small arms (AK5's?), mine clearing equipment, grenade rifles and smaller antiarmour single use launchers, and more Robot 17, antiship missile system).
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12 Archers is a significant amount tbh, I just read somewhere that only 48 were produced so Sweden is giving up a quarter of their total inventory.
The leopards are another story though. There are around 2000 Leopard 2s out there, so If all European countries got together and decided to donate just 10% of that total stock, that would result in 200 tanks going to Ukraine which would be a massive boost to their tank inventory without depleting European stocks.
winjer
Gold Member
Forsete
Gold Member
They announced it, 12 Archers formally and also 50 STRF 90 (40 mm AKAN, machine gun, transports 7 fully equipped troopers, active counter measures) and more antitank shoulder fired weapons (PSVRrB 57 NLAW).
Nice package!!
So happy when I heard this.
Like I said , the USA gets it, we Europeans can count on them more than our European states
zeomax
Member
To support their narrative for the domestic people that Russia is under attack by the West/NATO.
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Liljagare
Member
Hope?
Several countries to announce sending Leopard tanks to Ukraine - Lithuania
The total number of armoured vehicles pledged at Ramstein will go into hundreds, Anusauskas said. (Reporting by Andrius Sytas; Editing by Alison Williams)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/seve...e-sending-leopard-163133285.html?guccounter=2
I really hope all of the weapons reported as going today arrive swiftly and helps Ukraine alot.
MisterFalcon
Member
Accidental shoot downs of helicopters are the new falling out of windows.
winjer
Gold Member
Russians are so delusional, they are starting believing in their own propaganda about NATO invading Russia.
That, or there are some big, nasty pigeons taking a crap on the Kremlin.
Gp1
Member
Sending tanks and IFVs to Ukraine is a good business for everyone, excepts Russia.
Ukraine receives armor that they desperately need, and the donors saves money on maintenance of vehicles that probably ain't going to see combat for their entire life time. See UK for example, with the Challengers now they can standardize their armored force with something cheaper to produce and maintain.
The same is true with almost every other country.
Ukraine receives armor that they desperately need, and the donors saves money on maintenance of vehicles that probably ain't going to see combat for their entire life time. See UK for example, with the Challengers now they can standardize their armored force with something cheaper to produce and maintain.
The same is true with almost every other country.
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Tumle
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Denmark is also sending 19 Caesar systems.. so it’s not like no one is helping from Europe.. put together from all the countries they are supplying the Ukrainians with.. maybe it’s not as much as the world leading army.. but all things help. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAESAR_self-propelled_howitzer
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAESAR_self-propelled_howitzer
6502
Member
To scare their own population. "We have to do this because we are under attack!"
Halo is Back
Member
It's a special military defense operation. No need to worry or panic comrades.
Closer to targets … , less in the line of fire , pretty smart actually , anyway , the west , europe let them spin up their war economy. Just like I saw coming . Bad idea.. there is a window , but it’s closing fast, all the good military stuff is coming to late because of European bureaucracy.
Our greatest producing. nation Germany has cold feet , and knowing their history they should have grabbed the leaders roll, instead they say let the USA supply first
Germany.. start delivering tanks .. now , those are needed yesterday.. wtf.People , Ukraine is a European country … why do you look at the USA ?
Second , where the fuck are the French ? Third , the UK is picking much up from all this shit ..
Why is it UK and USA all over again ? History sure likes to keep repeating.
And I M from Europe.. I hope there is a grand European master plan .. but I am not seeing or feeling it ..
It’s a bad joke to me at this point
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Tams
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Leopards are pretty much confirmed now.
Germany have now said supply of M1 Abrams to Ukraine will lead to them allowing Leopards to be sent. Now, the M1 being the fuel guzzler it is will likely be not that useful to the Ukrainians, but the US have pretty much no hurdles to sending them.
With the UK sending Challengers, Poland committing to send Leopards, the recent Finnish, French, and American supplies, plus Germany itself sending heavier armour, the Germans' hands have pretty much been forced.
Their angry criticism of the UK all but shows it got to them and they feel shown up.
Germany just said they aren't sending tanks yet.
But its inevitably going to happen so they should at least start training Ukrainian tank crews now
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Tams
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Ukraine frustrated as Germany holds back decision on supply of tanks
Poland says lives will be lost because of Berlin’s inaction, as summit breaks up without progress over Leopard 2s
www.theguardian.com
It's so sad, and makes me quite angry, that he has to beg for this.
Germany, what the actual fuck are you doing?! Do too many of you come from the east and yearn for the days of the GDR?
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Fucking infuriating.Ukraine frustrated as Germany holds back decision on supply of tanks
Poland says lives will be lost because of Berlin’s inaction, as summit breaks up without progress over Leopard 2s
It's so sad, and makes me quite angry, that he has to beg for this.
Germany, what the actual fuck are you doing?! Do too many of you come from the east and yearn for the days of the GDR?
funkygunther
Banned
Except they are not
good going Germany and the rest of the EU, keep talking .. every minute you talk , Ukrainians are murdered
Lunarorbit
Member
So does that mean that the Netherlands and others will now send leopards? Germany wouldn't stop anyone they said.
Really disappointing. This excuse that Germans don't want to see their tanks in a conflict with Russia seems SUPER sus.
Really disappointing. This excuse that Germans don't want to see their tanks in a conflict with Russia seems SUPER sus.
MisterFalcon
Member
Netherlands does not have any Leopards, they sold them all. And when they realized this was a bit dumb they leased some German ones to, on paper, have some tanks.
They're shit scared of what Putin might do to them or it brings back echos of WW2. I mean, the fact the weapons would end up used against Russia is because Russia invaded another European country seems to have escaped their attention!
Forsete
Gold Member
Hope this round is included with the CV9040.
Vatniks have no place to hide any more.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Germany is a disgrace atm. Merkel tried (you might say succesfully) to ruin europe with her immigration policy and now this sholz guy... Who put these guys in charge...
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Germans do.
In other news, the lack of GLSDB in the latest package is a major disappointment. They are cheap, they cannot reach moscow like ATACMS... all they do is enable Ukrainians to reach their own frontiers meanwhile the russians are destroying hospitals and malls all across Ukraine with impunity.
Actually, there might be a small chance that GLSDBs were included. Remember that they're fired from HIMARS, so technically they would be considered HIMARS ammunition (which was apart of the latest package). That would be a sneaky way to include them without specifically mentioning that they're GLSDBs.
I guess we'll know for sure soon if we start seeing ammo depots >80km away from the frontline suddenly go up in flames....
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Forsete
Gold Member
Exactly my thoughts. The HARM missiles were not announced were they? They just appeared out of nowhere (or the shrapnel did
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Liljagare
Member
France, England and Germany are sort of all dropping the ball imho.
England sent some tanks though.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Fuck Germany, I hope countries see this and limit sending LNG to it.
IndoAssassin
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Currently the war of attrition favours Russia. Losing ~700 mobiks per day vs 100-200 trained soldiers that Ukraine is losing is a good trade off that favours Russia over the long run.
Ukraine will need to double that number in order to get a favourable trade off. Otherwise Russia will keep sending waves until Ukraine runs out of soldiers.
The 100-200 Ukrainian soldiers lost per day is from German intelligence.
Ukraine will need to double that number in order to get a favourable trade off. Otherwise Russia will keep sending waves until Ukraine runs out of soldiers.
The 100-200 Ukrainian soldiers lost per day is from German intelligence.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
If you count severely wounded/maimed those numbers are at least double (for both sides, obv) we're talking 45 thousand/month on the russian side. Even for russia, that level of attrition is considerable. There are potentially some signs in the svatove/kreminna line that russians are starting to crack.
According to Ukraine, in december, there were 280 thousand orcs in their country.