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[Tiago Rodrigues]

Who even wants this option

Yeah options are terrible now.

/s

 

[veterangamerUK]

So just have the disc version.

Pointless.

Those in the 21st century don't need a disc version

 

[Beechos]

This will be a horrible move, there will be landfills filled with these disc drives.

 

[Swift_Star]

35+ years of gaming and life experience, I don't need a source to tell me that Sony won't charge more than the retail difference between digital and physical edition console. It's called simple analytics, logic and business 101.

So you got nothing but conjecture lol

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The question

――The PS5 is now entering its third year. PS4 Pro was released three years after its release, but we would like to hear about your future prospects.

Nishino We believe that cumulative sales will exceed 37 million units by the end of FY2022, and this will be a very important period for our platform. We won't talk about anything specific this time, but we hope you can look forward to more next year

Taken from

https://www.famitsu.com/news/202212/16286076.html

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Hmm that non answer was pretty telling I think it’s obvious they're going to use the same strategy as last generation and it's also obvious the fan reaction will be exactly the same lol

 

[SSfox]

Looks aweful, hope they go back to full black.

 

[reksveks]

Ps5 Pro?

 

[yurinka]

Yes, it will be an important year for them: they will release PSVR2, in theory will be the first one without important chips shortages, they'll start publishing tv adaptations of their IPs, they'll release big exclusives like Spider-Man 2 or Final Fantasy XVI, pretty likely will make a strong year regarding SIE acquisitions and pretty likely will release PS Plus cloud gaming on mobile and tvs. Very likely they'll show or announce big 2nd party projects, many of them not released this year, with different important teams from console (in console the Firewalk/Deviation/Haven/Arrowhead games, in mobile/PC GaaS with different partners as could be the rumored NCSoft game).

Also, very likely it's going to be the year where they'll stop making first party crossgen games and the year where they'll show the first next gen only games starting to take full advantage of the next gen hardware. I don't think they'll release a PS5 Pro this time. All these other things will give them a bump.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hmm that non answer was pretty telling I think it’s obvious they're going to use the same strategy as last generation and it's also obvious the fan reaction will be exactly the same lol

I think we get a pro console as well though this might not be it.

As far as fan reaction goes I am for sure buying at least one most likely two

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Yes, it will be an important year for them: they will release PSVR2, in theory will be the first one without important chips shortages, they'll start publishing tv adaptations of their IPs, they'll release big exclusives like Spider-Man 2 or Final Fantasy XVI, pretty likely will make a strong year regarding SIE acquisitions and pretty likely will release PS Plus cloud gaming on mobile and tvs. Very likely they'll show or announce big 2nd party projects, many of them not released this year, with different important teams from console (in console the Firewalk/Deviation/Haven/Arrowhead games, in mobile/PC GaaS with different partners as could be the rumored NCSoft game).

Also, very likely it's going to be the year where they'll stop making first party crossgen games and the year where they'll show the first next gen only games starting to take full advantage of the next gen hardware. I don't think they'll release a PS5 Pro this time. All these other things will give them a bump.

And Factions. That GaaS could be as important as Fornite for Epic.

 

[digdug2]

It would be such a waste to release a pro console, considering so many games are still cross-gen. Dumping cross-gen would be a huge start. Let's see what these consoles can actually do.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It would be such a waste to release a pro console, considering so many games are still cross-gen. Dumping cross-gen would be a huge start. Let's see what these consoles can actually do.

Even cross gen games give me 4k 120

Give me the pro console with Spiderman 2 and turn on all the bells and whistles

 

[Son_of_Zardoz]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[sinnergy]

Yeah options are terrible now.

/s

Why would you want a nasty extra box next too your console ??

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Why would you want a nasty extra box next too your console ??

SUPPOSEDLY its not just going to be a box sitting there, SUPPOSEDLY its being designed to look like its supposed to be there and "attaches" to the console

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Why would you want a nasty extra box next too your console ??

Oh...you've seen the console? How do you know it won't fit right into the console's design?

 

[yurinka]

And Factions. That GaaS could be as important as Fornite for Epic.

Nah, I think it will be more similar to GT7 or MLB, or to other ND games. Depending on the size it could be even be a Lost Legacy-like title for TLOU, but seems it's going to be meatier than the previous ND games.

I think that if there's some Sony GaaS with CoD/Fortnite-like equivalent for Sony (but not a copy, it would be their own stuff), it could be the new IPs coming from Bungie (they are working on more than one new IPs), Deviation, Haven or Firewalk. Not all of them, but I bet that at least one of these games is going to be a big hit beyond the current 20M+ selling top (non-GaaS) Sony blockbuster. Maybe not in sales, but in revenue.

 

[HTK]

Hardware
- DualSense Edge
- PSVR2
- PS5 Slim?

Is it possible or even a good idea to also have a PS5 Pro later in 2023? I just can't see it happening, maybe 2024 makes much more sense.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Why would you want a nasty extra box next too your console ??

I don't believe Tom said that. It sounded more like it would become one with the console if that makes any sense.

 

[analog_future]

I honestly would buy a $699 Pro console that can handle "Quality" presets in games at 60fps and has a 2TB hard drive in a heartbeat.

 

[lachesis]

I am interested in how it will look honestly. I wonder if it will be like expansion bay type deal of sliding in the unit (like HDD bay of PS2) or entirely detached, stand-alone USB connection (hopefully w/o additional power brick) like old HD-DVD drive accessory for 360.

If they are keeping the current design language - how will it look... and if they are going to reduce the size of the whole thing etc.
My biggest complaint of my launch unit is how big this thing is, and how it sits so unstable horizontally.
(Thankfully, I don't have to look at it when I'm not playing - I just shut the door - I open it up when I am playing for air flow)

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I honestly would buy a $699 Pro console that can handle "Quality" presets in games at 60fps and has a 2TB hard drive in a heartbeat.

2TB Pro console that could run even current cross gen titles at 120 fps and new games at 60 with quality mode?

I would spend $1000 and not think twice

 

[DeepEnigma]

I would spend $1000 and not think twice

Don't give them any ideas. Let them price it in a similar model as they did last gen.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

Ps5 Pro?

No. PS5 Slim.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No. PS5 Slim.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Looks aweful, hope they go back to full black.

I think that is just concept art.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[Justin9mm]

So you got nothing but conjecture lol

You think it's conjecture, I call it a prediction. Only time will tell.

 

[Twinblade]

Sorry, but you're not considering the real life supply, distribution and marketing implications of implementing this strategy cold at the beginning of a new gen. It would've been a PR nightmare. At least now the market has gotten used to the idea of a digital console so that helps to ease their transition into the new revision next year. And with scalpers losing interest in the PS5 (coupled with the massive amount of stock coming next year), they won't be a factor for the new model either.

We are simply over thinking this shit. Just pure speculation at this point. On both sides of the argument.

I like the idea of a Playstation with the optional cd drive I can buy separately if I wanted.

 

[THE DUCK]

Your right. Consumer choices really is so 1995. In 2022, corporations own your asses and you will like it. They will convince you the old way is old fashioned while taking away choices from you. What's wrong with keeping the option there? Why the fuck would anyone want them to take away disc drives and physical media altogether?

Wow that's a cynical view. You spend money to get access to things. You just dislike the idea that you can't own it forever. That's fine, I could care less. I haven't used a disk in forever and won't be any time going forward.
I'm not taking it away, in fact they are still offering you the option. How on the earth is giving you an external drive taking away something? You still have choices.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[Duchess]

Don't know why it's such a big deal about the PS5 having a detachable drive. A lot of other consoles have done so.

 

[Duchess]

In all seriousness, it sounds like the plan for Sony is now:

2020 - PS5 and PS5 DE
2023 - PS5 Slim, with optional optical drive. Original PS5 and PS5 phased out.
20?? - PS6, no optical drive, but supports the above as an optional extra.

 

[gothmog]

So we get a slimmer PS5 and a drive to add on. Seems like literally what customers were asking for. I imagine this is going to sell better than any price reduction.

 

[Panajev2001a]

… https://www.semianalysis.com/p/tsmcs-3nm-conundrum-does-it-even this is why. Semiconductors scaling is slowing down to a crawl , a larger jump in performance is needed to deliver a visible jump in games (especially Pro consoles where devs will mostly try to brute force their way out of problems), and getting performance improvements is harder and more expensive.

I say, save money for XSX2 and PS6 R&D (entering a recession maybe work on retention packages for your staff too instead of spending lots of money on an expensive Pro variant few people will actually buy) and ship slim consoles that are easier to manufacture if you have extra to spend (you need to drive a bit more volume to make it worthwhile to devs to migrate more and more games away from the cross gen pit).

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

In all seriousness, it sounds like the plan for Sony is now:

2020 - PS5 and PS5 DE
2023 - PS5 Slim, with optional optical drive. Original PS5 and PS5 phased out.
20?? - PS6, no optical drive, but supports the above as an optional extra.

2020 - PS5 and PS5 DE
2023 - PS5 Slim, with optional optical drive. Original PS5 and PS5 phased out.
2024 o 2025 - PS5 Pro, with optional optical drive.
20?? - PS6, no optical drive, but supports the above as an optional extra.

 

[WitchHunter]

I don't understand how they didn't think of this right from the beginning. They could have avoided 2 separate SKU, 2 separate assembly lines, molds, licenses, patents. djeez.

Because of market protecc forces that try to position their product With things like wow it looks like a vagina or a router... They needed to establish their presence. Now they could even sell dung balls with a silk ribbon people would buy it no matter what.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

The new rumor:

The possible future PS5 Slim console with double SSD storage? (The current PS5 Fat console with PS5 internal SSD hard drive, whose capacity is 825 GB and only SSD storage.)

 

[MasterCornholio]

The new rumor:

The possible future PS5 Slim console with double SSD storage? (The current PS5 Fat console with PS5 internal SSD hard drive, whose capacity is 825 GB and only SSD storage.)

I believe memory has gotten cheaper. Its why I was able to get a 1TB NVME for less than 100$ at the beginning of this year. I can definitely see Sony increasing the capacity.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

I believe memory has gotten cheaper. Its why I was able to get a 1TB NVME for less than 100$ at the beginning of this year. I can definitely see Sony increasing the capacity.

I have an idea! It is if console PS5 Slim double storage SSD 825 GB × 2 = 1.65 TB

 

[TheUndeadGamer]

Not to derail the thread but I’m wondering why there are not rumors of a slim Series X.

 

[Neo_game]

I am not sure about doubling the storage, it is not going to cheaper.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Because then people who don't need the disc drive would have to pay $100 more? I get from Sony's perspective yeah it would be great to make everyone pay $500, but this lets each person decide.

I would assume the point would be to drop the $500 SKU.

It's smart. If the goal is to transition people toward digital, making the digital-only version the universal entry point serves that goal better. People won't be as afraid to buy the digital version because they know they can always upgrade later, but fewer probably will.

Plus it saves the problem of trying to gauge the exact demand for each SKU.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not to derail the thread but I’m wondering why there are not rumors of a slim Series X.

Series X is already a slim compared to the PS5

 

[crackajack]

Series X is already a slim compared to the PS5

Isn't the volume barely different? Proper slim would slim down the X to S size. Or at least L size.

 

[twilo99]

I honestly would buy a $699 Pro console that can handle "Quality" presets in games at 60fps and has a 2TB hard drive in a heartbeat.

Quality presets should cost at least $849, we don’t want the company to be losing money.

 

[twilo99]

Not to derail the thread but I’m wondering why there are not rumors of a slim Series X.

Sony left a lot to be desired when it comes to packaging so there is obvious room for improvement, improving on the X design is much harder since it’s already very good.