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Jim Ryan other Clone
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I have seen the first rant but this one is even more strange. In every part of our life we like watching beautiful things and people or people that are maybe not so beautiful but they have style. This hobo has nothing, she is dressed like homeless drug addict (i come from a region with many drug addicts and have regular experience how they look like) that want 50 cents to buy "food" or in corner to blow you for 5€. That is repulsive and disgusting. Sorry but you can't take time of your life to hear a junky talking or even taking him seriously. Now probably she is not junky but she looks like one and then she talks with this derogatory tone toward everything that she does not like ( even games).
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It's a funny thing because tv and movies have real life people dolled up and raking in big salaries, and viewers love it. Having Scarlett Johansson in make up, prefect hair and tight rubber suits in superhero action scenes is as unrealistic and sex driven as you can get. And so is every superhero stud who is good looking and often ripped. Yet people love them both. I'm sure writers and directors could dumb them down hiring worse looking actors/actresses and putting less make up and not bothering hiring hair stylists. But they dont.
People got to realize the ones who almost always complain about sexuality, good looks, bikini models (but notice they never complain about good looking hunks) are politically driven jealous people who are ugly, weird, or trying for career boosting brownie pts.
Notice how you never see hot women or guys ever complain about sexism.
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
Playing dumb is normally the sign of someone that can't argue the point being made and you're doing exactly that.
Read carefully please or disengage after this:
1- What sparked the heat on top of this person was previous shit takes culminating with the "Dead man walking". If you don't know what I'm talking about just say so instead of ignoring it.
2- Every public figure gets "mean" comments on the internet. It's nothing special about this particular individual, it's something that comes with putting yourself out there in a public forum, that will always atract trolls.
3- The rant you keep going on about non stop about her addressing the audience was the last straw in a pretty big haystack. Apparently you're blind to everything else before and all the legit criticism of this person's takes and hyperfocus on her looks and how some criticize those. THIS IS NOT THE POINT!!1!!one11!
So, in conclusion, stop muddying the waters, we already understand this person got extra amount of hate, so you're not making any brilliant point there. Maybe go beyond the superficial and check what that person did to get the heat in the first place.
The career path for this person clearly shouldn't be in a public facing setting, for whatever qualities that person has, this is not it as they can't take the pressure that comes with it. You're not going to change the internet, you can only change yourself and adapt.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If someone cant take the heat of the net, they shouldnt try being a media personality. Thats life. And as you said you cant change everyone, but you can change yourself.
Playing dumb is normally the sign of someone that can't argue the point being made and you're doing exactly that.
Read carefully please or disengage after this:
1- What sparked the heat on top of this person was previous shit takes culminating with the "Dead man walking". If you don't know what I'm talking about just say so instead of ignoring it.
2- Every public figure gets "mean" comments on the internet. It's nothing special about this particular individual, it's something that comes with putting yourself out there in a public forum, that will always atract trolls.
3- The rant you keep going on about non stop about her addressing the audience was the last straw in a pretty big haystack. Apparently you're blind to everything else before and all the legit criticism of this person's takes and hyperfocus on her looks and how some criticize those. THIS IS NOT THE POINT!!1!!one11!
So, in conclusion, stop muddying the waters, we already understand this person got extra amount of hate, so you're not making any brilliant point there. Maybe go beyond the superficial and check what that person did to get the heat in the first place.
There career path for this person clearly shouldn't be in a public facing setting, for whatever qualities that person has, this is not it as they can't take the pressure that comes with it. You're not going to change the internet, you can only change yourself and adapt.
It's like people getting unnerved their YT videos are getting bombed or getting shitty comments. Hey, thats the nature of the net. You could have the coolest video, where 1000s of people say it's awesome. But guaranteed you'll get some trolls saying he video sucks and fuck off! Or perhaps some honest answers where they didn't like it. Not everyone is going to like a creation with 100% acceptance.
Most people probably dont give a shit if their YT video gets criticized, but some go into mental anxiety. It's one of those things. You can either keep it going and retry absorbing the hits, or cut the cord and do something else.
Look at pro athletes. A group of people getting attacked after every game by fans, by the media, by sports writers, by studio analysts, even sometimes publicly by their own coach or team owner. Overpaid bums, they suck, trade em, go retire, bench em you name it. POS player. It goes with the territory of the job.
On the other hand, if someone wants zero public criticism where nobody knows who you are and you got a 9-5 job, work in an office doing demand forecasting.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Exactly.
And on top of this the person in question shown a deep ignorance of the subject matter they were speaking about which normally would get criticized anyway. If at least they looked less arrogant about it I'm sure the backlash would have been much less. Just wrong career, that's all it is.
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Wildebeest
Member
Bad vibes news even if they are "cringe" as the kids say today.
ahtlas7
Member
I do agree. They should have just hired a female. G4 I mean.
Halo2redvsblue
Member
Doesn't matter if she gets harassed or not, Frosk rant and her colleagues defending her on it is the reason why G4 is probably going under again.
Rykan
Member
Nobody is ignoring it, it's just hardly relevant. Nothing, and I mean nothing, justifies personal attacks or attacks on the way she looks. It doesn't matter if she made a comment about your favorite plastic box that you don't agree with.
Sure, but there is absolutely a difference between the volumes of hatred and the kinds of hatred that is being spewed. It is very doubtful that the other hosts of G4 received similar amounts of hatred about the appearance or how fuckable they are.
The fact that is actually willing to speak about bullshit that you have accepted as common and normal is exactly the reason why she belongs just fine in a public facing setting.
Get woke something, something.
In all seriousness I used to love G4 back in the day. I used to watch the hell of their E3 coverage from 2008-2011. It's just not the same anymore. Like others have said we live in a Youtube world and this just doesn't really have a place or scratch that nostalgic itch.
In all seriousness I used to love G4 back in the day. I used to watch the hell of their E3 coverage from 2008-2011. It's just not the same anymore. Like others have said we live in a Youtube world and this just doesn't really have a place or scratch that nostalgic itch.
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harry mason 1989
Banned
Nvm
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Arkangelus0
Banned
The fact she is willing to speak on G4 was for generating drama And rising numbers, not because she cared about her messege
If she really cared about what she says, Why dont make a second rant when G4 a few weeks later sexualize Amouranth? G4 did everything she was supposed to be mad
Instead she remain SILENT
Frosk claimed she was fighting against sexism but the truth is she dont have a problem working And getting a paycheck for a sexist company, because she is an hipocrite
Bragr
Banned
I don't disagree with frosk or whatever she was called, it's fine to address sexism, but not like that. Grown people screaming and shouting random nonsense without thinking about what they are saying come off just as toxic as the people they are talking to.
That the G4 crew can't understand how bad that made them look, that they can't understand that people don't wanna watch idiots, no matter how good their message is, highlights why they are going down.
That the G4 crew can't understand how bad that made them look, that they can't understand that people don't wanna watch idiots, no matter how good their message is, highlights why they are going down.
qwertz12345
Banned
I think what you're trying to say is that there there's zero accountability - especially on major sites like Youtube and Twitter.
Having said that... there's certainly a degree of accountability on sites like Neogaf and Resetera... If only because it's so hard to actually get on to these sites in the first place... so people value their account more.
People say awful things about Zuckerberg on Facebook, because they know that they're not going to get banned.
If you said awful things about the mods on Neogaf or Resetera, you'd get banned in a heartbeat. That's accountability and fear that manifests in social control.
If people cared about their accounts (and if there was an element of fear), then there would be less awful comments on those sites.
Tis why people don't act shitty in real life... Because there's an element of accountability and fear that would result from bad behaviour - ie them going to jail.
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It's all in the wrist
Member
He says the show floor was loud as hell, and he did interviews for too long. He was overly stressed. I remember those interviews. He was so ready for them to be over.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
Not a surprise. No-one watches a show like G4 to be reprimanded, maligned and talked down to by an activist pushing her own personal and political agenda. That applies in general regardless of your persuasion.
To all the do-gooders in here attempting to defend this form of activism. I'd bet you would have a similar reaction if some mens rights guy on G4 publicly went on a rant slamming women. At some point you will realise that antagonistic and divisive outbursts may not the best way to conduct yourself when you represent a brand. We all have to toe the line, regardless of how perceived injustices in the world hurt your little heart. Even if you are a spoiled, overly sensitive defender of the oppressed; that doesn't mean you play by a different set of rules.
In general, I'm tired of these people telling me that I am immoral and a bad person because I don't agree with whatever outraged, virtue signalling topic of contention is the news of the day. This, if you're not with us you're against us type of language has to end. It is manipulative, divisive and unnecessarily raises tensions. Just let G4 be about games, accept that people like different things and try to have a little more self awareness.
To all the do-gooders in here attempting to defend this form of activism. I'd bet you would have a similar reaction if some mens rights guy on G4 publicly went on a rant slamming women. At some point you will realise that antagonistic and divisive outbursts may not the best way to conduct yourself when you represent a brand. We all have to toe the line, regardless of how perceived injustices in the world hurt your little heart. Even if you are a spoiled, overly sensitive defender of the oppressed; that doesn't mean you play by a different set of rules.
In general, I'm tired of these people telling me that I am immoral and a bad person because I don't agree with whatever outraged, virtue signalling topic of contention is the news of the day. This, if you're not with us you're against us type of language has to end. It is manipulative, divisive and unnecessarily raises tensions. Just let G4 be about games, accept that people like different things and try to have a little more self awareness.
Queso de Grande
Member
G4 was a product of its time. It will never work the same way again. We all knew this was doomed when we saw who was involved.
Wasn’t G4 or Attack of the Show caught using viewer bots to try and raise their YouTube views?
Wasn’t G4 or Attack of the Show caught using viewer bots to try and raise their YouTube views?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
1- Who gives a shit if trolls on youtube comments are mean to this person? It's their job to ignore that shit. They start the troll bait and then can't handle the heat which clearly shows this person's vocation is something other than being a "controversial" public figure even if for a small subsection of the internet.
2- Can you show me the instrument you used to measure the volumes of hatred people receive? Would be great to see what tool you used to conclude how much more or less hatred they received compared to anyone else. Again, this person had especially shit takes compared to other hosts and used the type of arrogance that requires some backbone to defend. You can't go out acting like a tough guy and then come back crying because people are mean on comments
.Still not sure why we're here discussing "mean comments" anyway, I didn't make those, so argue with someone who did, I have nothing to do with that shit.3- This person basically gave the trolls exactly what they wanted, a reaction, and like sharks, when they smelled the blood I'm sure it only intensified the trolling. That's why everyone knows you don't feed the trolls. One more proof this person wasn't ready to be a public figure.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.
In gaming, it seems a lot of gamers, gaming employees and media staff love the political slant to it. Its just one of those industries lots of people have social media and love to air out to the world their godly opinion about life. But guess what? Some people dont care and just want to play games.
It's like sports. No matter how much they want to infuse BLM or military salutes or whatever into their telecasts, some people just want to watch the game, hear the analysts during intermission talk about the game, sabermetrics or out of town scores. As opposed to hearing about diversity training and the 56th parachute battalion honouring Sergeant Sam Smith currently holed up on a mountain in Afghanistan.
I just want to watch the game. For you hockey fans, remember back in the 80s and maybe early 90s when youd be watching your local game (Leafs here) and then during intermission they could only yap for so long so then they'd go to an out of town feed for 5 minutes where we'd be watching tail end of the 1st or 2nd period of the Habs or US game playing concurrently? It was a regular feature. You dont get that much anymore. It then changed to usually full out studio crew analytics. Then it changed to one part analytics and replays, and one part diversity month or whatever the hot topic politics currently is.
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*Nightwing
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To the few who don’t comprehend what common knowledge is or why you don’t read comments on YouTube/Twitter/insta videos you post, let alone go on unhinged rants holding your viewers accountable for said trolling they didn’t do, and if this helps enlighten you few, welcome to 2022 with the rest of us:
And obligatory trolling of my own for G4 itself:
And obligatory trolling of my own for G4 itself:
Fattious Floyd
Neo Member
Sessler used to be one of my OG favorites...now he's just a bitter old husk of his former self.
TheGodfather07
Member
G4TV are still around?
ReBurn
Gold Member
The entire reason for productions like this is to present to the audience. If it's not for the audience then who is it for?
I guess the audience they got (and alienated) wasn't the one they wanted. But the one they wanted apparently wasn't interested enough to like, subscribe, and keep them employed. So maybe they should have done a better job of understanding their audience. "Yes, it also equally happens to these men but when it happens to me it's sexism" was a braindead take.
Fattious Floyd
Neo Member
Morgan Webb was great!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The sexism slant is stupid to begin with because the crusaders are one-sided. You never see any add in super hunks to the mix saying it's sexist even though like 0.5% of guys are good looking ripped studs. There's 100x more average looking guys and beer gut slobs.
With anti-racism initiatives, it's typically a holistic approach to the entire idea involving anyone.
As for the sexism seque she added in the clip, it's s dumb thing to do but thats what you get with emotional people begging to spill their life story to anyone even during times it shouldnt be done.
Anyone here sit and listen to speakers at work? The people who present anything from motivation speeches to business related info, research and tactics? I have. Way too many times and half the time its boring as hell or useless.
But, at least I have never seen one person or group of people do their presentation and derail it with a political topic. It stays on topic and there isnt a hot topic that might aggravate viewers.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Gotta admit I like the lead up to the return of g4 then the actual return. I watch some of there stuff but so many other places do the same thing as g4 used to do so kinda lost in a sea of sameness now. I did like that god of work thing recently and some of them other projects like that since return.
Rykan
Member
Again with the normalizing of shitty behavior. No it's not "Their job to ignore that shit". It's never been their job to "ignore that shit" and the fact that she actually spoke about it is in no way evidence that "She can't handle the heat".
Oh get over yourself. It's pretty fucking obvious that women have a much larger target on their back and are also more prone to targeted harassment than men do when it comes to gaming. We've seen that shit in "Gamergate". You don't even need to look further than this thread: The vast majority of the posts here are about her and to be more exact: About the fact that she pushed back against harassment. People are literally upset with her because she asked not to be harassed. What the fuck does you having saying "Mean comments" have to do with it? You're out there justifying shitty behavior because she had a take about your favorite plastic box that you disagreed with.2- Can you show me the instrument you used to measure the volumes of hatred people receive? Would be great to see what tool you used to conclude how much more or less hatred they received compared to anyone else. Again, this person had especially shit takes compared to other hosts and used the type of arrogance that requires some backbone to defend. You can't go out acting like a tough guy and then come back crying because people are mean on comments
Not feeding the trolls has never worked. Shit like this becomes more and more normalized if nobody speaks out against it.
I'm a professional Football player. I walk towards the field. 5 people from the audience are throwing plastic bottles at me. I turn towards the audience and tell them to stop throwing plastic bottles at me. Am I now accusing the entire audience of throwing plastic bottles? Am I telling everyone to stop throwing plastic bottles at me? Of course not.
The men most likely don't get constant comments about their appearance or how "fuckable" they are.
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
not for long
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The problem with Frosk is she cant take the heat from a social group (gamers). And that's due to being weird and annoying loud. If this is the way Frosk always talks and waves her arms in a very one part lecture, one part annoying way, no wonder she gets flamed.
If the other female hosts she's talking about are way better looking and get less lashback, too bad. Thats life. Blame G4 for hiring good looking women as the other hosts. Better looking people get treated better because people enjoy watching good looking people. Same goes for movies, tv shows and music videos with women dressed sleazy.
Look odd and act odd and that's going to be the worst combo you can show to the average viewer in media. If the media personality wants to put themselves out there looking for attention, hey they got it. But if you want the best feedback, do a good job, dont be annoying and look good. Nobody expects every person to be Mila Kunis, but even in her worst day with zero make up, bed head and having a slight moustache, people would still like her because she seems like a nice person in media and isnt loud. Look and act professional when you got a job in public view and you'll get less flak.
Thats how life is.
If the other female hosts she's talking about are way better looking and get less lashback, too bad. Thats life. Blame G4 for hiring good looking women as the other hosts. Better looking people get treated better because people enjoy watching good looking people. Same goes for movies, tv shows and music videos with women dressed sleazy.
Look odd and act odd and that's going to be the worst combo you can show to the average viewer in media. If the media personality wants to put themselves out there looking for attention, hey they got it. But if you want the best feedback, do a good job, dont be annoying and look good. Nobody expects every person to be Mila Kunis, but even in her worst day with zero make up, bed head and having a slight moustache, people would still like her because she seems like a nice person in media and isnt loud. Look and act professional when you got a job in public view and you'll get less flak.
Thats how life is.
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MALpractice311
Member
Well, that didn't take long. This revival never stood a chance. G4/TechTV were successful for their time period because there was no other gaming/tech media on TV. The explosion of Youtube has basically supplanted the need for G4-like programs. Berating what little audience they had probably didn't help either. As to the whole Froskgate, here's my original take on it from when it first happened...
Setsuna Mudou
Member
It's already normal behavior, what are you talking about normalizing? It IS normal!
In any online comment section for the last 25 years you will have an anonymous mob of people saying whatever trollish things they want. This person's stupid stand did nothing to fix it, if anything it just caused more of it. I think it's complete bullshit that some people decide to attack on "looks", because for me it distracts from the main issue. Having someone that shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject matter, giving opinions like they are an expert and someone that should be taken seriously.
Not feeding the trolls does work, that's why there are block and ignore buttons on comment sections. That's why there are moderators, to kick out anyone that comes to the chat or comments section in bad faith. Basically what that person did was empower the trolls that were making stupid comments and ignore all the legitimate criticism that was thrown. Why did they do that? Well because it's easier to distract from the valid points calling into question their competence by only focusing on the ridiculous few making bad taste comments.
And using your own argument against you, as a football player you are paid VERY well not just because of your athletic skills but also to deal with the bad side of the fame. If a bunch of people are booing and insulting you, you are supposed to keep your focus and do what you're paid to do. If you turn around on the mob and start antagonizing them back, you'll not only be chewed up and spit out, but most regulatory sport commissions would penalize you for antagonizing/provoking the fans. This sort of exposure is not for everyone, some people are not made for it and in those cases they should pursue different careers. You don't have the right to only get positive attention when you put yourself in the public eye, expecting that treatment is childishly innocent at best.
I'm pretty sure the men get those comments and many others. I think she was complaining about the comments saying how "unfuckable" she was, not the other way around, otherwise she probably wouldn't be complaining about it. Also the "target" on the back of women is the same one that has thousands of lonely guys throwing money at girl game streamers for absolutely nothing. As I said before, you have to take the bad with the good. If you can't take it, change the career to a non public facing one.
Please stop making this about fucking troll comments, it's about something else entirely.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
I gave up halfway through....but Frosk.....I guarantee Olivia and Jessica played up their hotness for the crowd. Sex sells and they knew it...and have moved on to better things,,,,,,,,,,unlike you.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good points.
I brought up athletes too in one of my old posts where they get grilled after every game. And we all know when a team loses or a player is in a slump every fanbase thinks they are the shittiest player on earth.
Even though some athletes lash back at fans (which always creates a stir and is seen as unprofessional) it's actually surprising that out of the 1000s of pro athletes getting grilled and criticized by every fan and sports writer or analyst how cool headed 95% of them are, even though most of them seem dumb as rocks. Youd think theyd all be going nuts on Twitter flaming back at sports analysts and fans, but most can handle it and just forge ahead playing the next game on the schedule.
If they can handle the heat, Frosk should be able to too.
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Mobilemofo
Member
I believe it's the 4th "Golden area" in a ladies pleasure zone. I could be wrong tho.
lovetalkgames
Banned
The contradiction in G4 finger wagging something they helped spearhead with hosts like Olivia Munn is why this rant is so off-base. You’re talking about a woman who helped lead the charge in models using video games and nerd culture at large to push their own career. It’s an entire genre on twitch damn near. Yet somehow the viewers are the ones at fault?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I had to google who Olivia and Jessica are since Frosk feels inferior to them (I dont watch G4). Hey ya, they are way better looking. I agree with any gamer posting that they are more bangable. I bet most guys do too unless someone has a fetish preferring weird and annoying women with bad teeth, nose rings and tattoos all over. I dont.
In fact, I wouldnt even compare them as more bangable. I'd rephrase it as Frosk is unbangable.
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Timberwolf25
Member
Stunts like this
were part of what made the old G4 great to watch. It wasn't all eye candy stuff too, the hosts were generally funny with good chemistry. Even awkward Sessler paired well with Morgan Webb.
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lughnasadh123
Member
Trying to resurrect G4 in the age of digital is like trying to start a Dunder Mifflin. It's dead, man, let it go.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Just for giggles.....here is an odd but really well done episode of X-Play.....with Morgan and Adam
X-Play: The Musical
X-Play: The Musical
scoobidoo112
Member
Stunts like this
were part of what made the old G4 great to watch. It wasn't all eye candy stuff too, the hosts were generally funny with good chemistry. Even awkward Sessler paired well with Morgan Webb.
What an utterly disgusting display of sexi...wait, hold on, I'll be right back, got to check out the newest Marvel movie...
Gosh he looks hot. And look at his ass! Woo!
Anyway, as I was saying, people who liked that disgusting old G4 show are misogy...oh, hang on, there's a really cool movie on TV right now...
Look at those sexy abs, so hot!
Anyway, you are all disgusting, sexist... wait where did you go?
No please, come back, don't leave!
I'm just fighting for equality, what do you mean you don't like me?
Please watch my show!
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I still don't understand what demographic they thought they were capturing with the G4 relaunch. It worked in the 00's for lots of reasons, Olivia Munn being a breakout star helped, but I think it was more because the Youtube wasn't around, and it was the best way to consume gaming media/culture on TV. Product of a bygone era. Their most beloved show was/is xplay, a relic from TechTv. That says it all, really. I think people just care about the games, but they thought the personalities were strong enough.
It seems like Comcast is desperate to capture the gaming audience build a home for esports, but made a huge miscalculation by leaning on retired brand without accounting for it being a failure.
It seems like Comcast is desperate to capture the gaming audience build a home for esports, but made a huge miscalculation by leaning on retired brand without accounting for it being a failure.
MrTroubleMaker
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fart town usa
Gold Member
Of course they are. It could have potentially been big if they started when YouTube was still developing as a platform.
Young people weren't around for G4, that shit was like Tomb Raider 1 era. They joined the YT game way too late and then blew up the community a few months in.
Sessler is also unhinged and I don't want to give clicks to anything he's associated with.
Young people weren't around for G4, that shit was like Tomb Raider 1 era. They joined the YT game way too late and then blew up the community a few months in.
Sessler is also unhinged and I don't want to give clicks to anything he's associated with.
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