yazenov
Member
No theories are necessary. The game sold like shit on Xbox and the sequel was not approved. It's called Business.
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Octopath Traveler 2 will launch on February 24, 2023
No theories are necessary. The game sold like shit on Xbox and the sequel was not approved. It's called Business.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
It's not supposed to sell massive numbers when it's on Gamepass.
But it would potentially sell well on a sequel. It's the same theory behind suggesting DLC will sell well on Xbox GP games. Millions of people were exposed to the series. That's millions of people with a little bit greater chance of buying it. It LITERALLY doesn't even make sense to suggest sales data is the factor when it's been on a sub service.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What ? come on jack.
It's Nintendo's fault the game didn't release on PS platforms day and date.
As for why it didn't hit PS after 3 years, like Xbox, maybe Sony didn't want to pay and MS were happy to pay to get the game on GP ?
And now Sony are paying more to bring the game day 1 to PS and MS aren't.
Hey man pass me some of that good shit you're smoking too
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Captain Toad
Banned
Easily the highlight of the show for me. Day one.
GHG
Member
I've quoted posts that have said exactly that in this very thread. It's Nintendo's fault and then it's "bad business decisions from Square".
What ? come on jack.
It's Nintendo's fault the game didn't release on PS platforms day and date.
As for why it didn't hit PS after 3 years, like Xbox, maybe Sony didn't want to pay and MS were happy to pay to get the game on GP ?
And now Sony are paying more to bring the game day 1 to PS and MS aren't.
Hey man pass me some of that good shit you're smoking too
The Nintendo moneyhat isn't up for debate, it was announced as a timed exclusive. I've never once disputed that. It's what happened to the game after that initial deal expired that is up for debate.
New game skips xbox but appears everywhere else - Sony's fault.
Game appears on Xbox (and gamepass to boot) and skips PlayStation after an exclusivity period ends on on a different platform - nothing to see here, Xbox had nothing to do with it.
You guys are lost souls.
Saw it coming the moment the platforms were announced. It's so fucking predictable. Bunch of persecuted entitled cry babies.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Octopath Traveler has outsold Metroid Dread?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Punished Miku
Gold Member
It was the first HD2D game. I wouldn't be surprised if people were interested.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think anyone said that about Octo 2 in this thread. Literally we're all calling Square a dumb company here.
Like I said before, if the first Octo was a day and date release on Xbox then you would have a point. But the damn game released a full three years after its release and came out on Switch, PC and fucking STADIA before it. STADIA. STADIA !!! It's more likely that google paid to keep the game off of certain platforms, MS keeping a 3 year old game off of any platform is just a ridiculous notion.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
PlayStation won?
GHG
Member
You guys need to work on your coordination, you're slipping:
Yeah, the rational business decision to take yet another one of Sony's countless moneyhats
Second time I've been falsely accused of seeing things that haven't been said here. Try harder.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
GHG
Member
I know right.
Nautilus
Banned
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yeah, looks like I'll wait forever for you to tell us how Square projects that *checks notes* Diofield Chronicles (the fuck is that even) will sell gangbusters on Xbox and is thus getting ported to it, while Octopath 2, a sequel to a good game that was played by millions on Gamepass and thus certainly has some people looking forward to the sequel, is not worth a quick port from PC to Xbox
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NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Make it less grindy than the first, for God's sake. And no, there being a random-effect move in Octopath Traveler that could ridiculously multiply your exp gains but could also wipe out your own party without you having the chance to prevent it doesn't allow you to say "nah bruh, there was no grind in OT".
Too bad, because I enjoyed the game much more than I'd believe. Loved the characters, graphics, settings, music, and gameplay. The grind was really the game's biggest flaw, maybe the only true one.
OT2's party doesn't convince me at first, but I believe in SQEX's savvy. This could be a great game.
Too bad, because I enjoyed the game much more than I'd believe. Loved the characters, graphics, settings, music, and gameplay. The grind was really the game's biggest flaw, maybe the only true one.
OT2's party doesn't convince me at first, but I believe in SQEX's savvy. This could be a great game.
Nautilus
Banned
But the point of making a game is to turn a profit. If the game doesn't sell on xbox, and MS isn't willing to fork enough money that Square deems acceptable, why put it there?
People, the game sold more than 3 MILLION units. This is a potentially big franchise on the making for Square. Giving it for free on Gamepass, without MS paying a fortune(and even then it might not be worth it, because of people, like the ones in this forum, demanding the game for free because of... reasons.Entitlement, I guess?), Square won't put it there. It's simple.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I was ridiculed by @sejutsausage or whatever the fuck he’s called for saying that MS likely moneyhatted this game for Xbox. Gotta say, I still think I’m bang on.
MS probably paid for the port job, for it to be on Game Pass and not on PS. SE have looked at the interest in the game and thought ‘fuck that noise’ for the sequel. So until MS come along with another suitcase of cash it won’t be worth their time.
MS probably paid for the port job, for it to be on Game Pass and not on PS. SE have looked at the interest in the game and thought ‘fuck that noise’ for the sequel. So until MS come along with another suitcase of cash it won’t be worth their time.
Nautilus
Banned
Didn't think there was any grind. If you take your time with the game, its hardly a challenge outside of the final boss.
*shrugs*
Banjo64
cumsessed
Just get an Oled bro - Nintendo is love.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I can't.
And it makes no sense to money hat a 3 year old, already multi-platform game.
But stranger things have been suggested on this forum before as well.
Time to change the avatar
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
80 hours, and still a lot of time was saved thanks to a couple of very lucky dances.
There's taking your time, and there's the game being ludicrously stingy with Exp. 80 hours to finish the main campaign isn't normal, even if there's 8 characters. And the grind for the final boss was something else (for beating it without one hell of a grind you'd have to have a perfect strategy and get very lucky with the boss's final form).
Banjo64
cumsessed
It’s times like this when I wish there was a
reaction on GAF
GHG
Member
Yeah, looks like I'll wait forever for you to tell us how Square projects that *checks notes* Diofield Chronicles (the fuck is that even) will sell gangbusters on Xbox and is thus getting ported to it, while Octopath 2, a good game that was played by millions on Gamepass and thus certainly has some people looking forward to the sequel, is not worth a quick port from PC to Xbox
Here's a novel idea:
Why don't all of you get together and purchase the first octopath traveller on Xbox to show them how wrong they are with this decision?
If you want Japanese publishers to not skip xbox then you need to put your money where your mouth is.
I can do you one better, how about an offer like that for multiple older games? :
Epic Games Offered Sony $200m For PlayStation Ports On Its Store
Currently, only three PlayStation games have been ported to PC.
And the situation with the first octopath traveller is even more simple. We know money exchanged hands between xbox and square, if not the game would not have appeared on gamepass the day it arrived on the platform.
To suggest this kind of thing happens everywhere apart from with a particular platform holder is downright stupid.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
3 pages of octopath discussion. people must be hyped for this.
nope, it's just more console wars autism.
nope, it's just more console wars autism.
Banjo64
cumsessed
where are you getting ‘played by millions from’? How many player more than 10 minutes? SE will have that data.
Also, did a single person on GAF buy the game for Xbox? I think it’s sold less than 100k on the platform.
So what are SE left with? Whatever MS paid them initially. So here’s what they’ll do, rather than make the game for Xbox for free - they’ll wait until MS come along with a wad of cash again.
Xbox just isn’t the platform for these games. I have Game Pass and have never started Octopath Traveller but still consider buying it for my Switch. Factos.
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GHG
Member
My argument remains the same. They have the data from the first title. You guys didn't buy it. All you're doing is speculating that millions played it via gamepass when you have nothing to support such a claim. And now you're pointing the finger because the sequel is skipping Xbox.
Let me put it this way, even if we go with the theory that Sony are paying for them to specifically keep the sequel away from Xbox at release - if the first game did really well on Xbox then no amount of money could persuade them to do so. The amount of money that would need to be brought to the table to even initiate discussions would be prohibative and no discussions would take place.
Once again, you're your own worst enemies.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
No one is claiming it's going to be a smash hit on Xbox. It's a niche genre. But 20 million + people had access to the game. The game has only sold 3 million copies so far across all systems, which is really good.
Of all the games SQEX is putting out that are niche AA games, this obviously has the highest profile on Xbox due to being on Gamepass and 20 million people having a chance to see it.
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Menzies
Banned
Interesting, thanks.
Money exchanged hands for GamePass, this we know. Not sure what else transpired really. Maybe they wanted to test out streaming markets as its also on Stadia?
I do wonder about how much effort really goes into a port for a game such as this to justify sales targets. I don't understand the move to create an audience through GamePass and then...not even test the waters for sequel sales??
saintjules
Member
My biggest gripe with the first game was how all the characters didn't come together for one major storyline after their separate origin stories concluded. SaGa Frontier I also did this. And I remember in OT they didn't interact with each other in the party.
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Not here trying to get you in a twisted gotcha. I was here pointing out the ridiculous narcissistic notion that a $70B deal was the fault of Sony for going after third party exclusives when MS clearly do too or that it's Sony's fault for the lack of big third party games on GP this year but that seemed to strike a nerve with you specifically (and the always obvious xbox fanclub).
You can't really admit that these type of games don't sell very much on xbox though. You've clung on to the idea that it must be Sony's fault an xbox port doesn't exist.
Nautilus
Banned
I didn't get lucky. I just took my time with the game, made most quests that were interested, and avoided skipping battles. I never stopped my progressed and grinded. I was either good with the game, or you just sucked with it.
Same for the final boss. Died 6 or 7 times, but found a strategy that worked. I understood how the battle system worked, and never had to rely *too much* on luck of any given move that had a % to work or something(luck is always a factor in any game). Never used that dance move for example. Too much of a gamble.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Xbox isn't the platform for these games, yet Square are delivering Xbox ports for games that are way more niche than a sequel to Octopath Traveler. Really makes you think.
You are yet again not adressing the main argument. Why are they porting games that are more niche than Octopath 2? Do you honestly think that they expect Diofield Chtonicles to sell way more than Octopath 2?
Pure speculation, not convincing.
Nautilus
Banned
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I've had a lot of caffeine today. I'm feeling feisty I guess.
I was going to get the game on Switch anyway since I got part 1 on Switch.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Right, literally no one is denying that MS paid money to get the game on game pass. Even you yourself in this post have said the same and dropped the ludicrous part about MS paying to keep the game *off* of PS platforms. Those two points are not mutually exclusive.
Glad we're all on the same page and we can drop this petty squabble now.
That being said, if this isn't announced for Xbox in the TGS showcase, will just pick up the PS4 or PC version whichever goes on sale first. I liked the first game but not that much to pick the sequel up for full price.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
It had sold 2.5m copies a couple of months before it even released on Xbox. So 500k sales are split between Switch, PC and Xbox and I think it’s safe to say Switch took the lion’s share.
It could be projected to 500m people but it doesn’t matter if the bulk of the income comes from Switch. Anecdotally I view Octopath Traveller and Triangle Strategy as essentially second party Nintendo games, I don’t think of Xbox at all.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Live A Live sold 500k. HD2D game. It's a niche genre, but this one is doing very well.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Maybe it’s a passion project like when a millionaire A lister decides to act in the local pantomime.
Feisty is good! Challenging views is healthy!I've had a lot of caffeine today. I'm feeling feisty I guess.
for the Switch.
Menzies
Banned
It is frustrating to continue to witness the same thing play out again and again.
JRPG comes to Xbox, then the sequel doesn't, then they randomly throw another game at Xbox, then the sequel doesn't, and everyone makes the same comments about "well it doesn't sell so why would they?"
It's relatively at the start of a new gen, and Xbox was seeing a mild increase in interest in Japan finding an audience, and the same carousel goes round and round.
Here's a counter - what are they doing to foster an audience on the platform to have the sales expectations that they have?
JRPG comes to Xbox, then the sequel doesn't, then they randomly throw another game at Xbox, then the sequel doesn't, and everyone makes the same comments about "well it doesn't sell so why would they?"
It's relatively at the start of a new gen, and Xbox was seeing a mild increase in interest in Japan finding an audience, and the same carousel goes round and round.
Here's a counter - what are they doing to foster an audience on the platform to have the sales expectations that they have?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Square Enix are probably making strategic deals to keep games on, and more importantly off, of platforms.
Star Ocean, Diofield and Crisis Core Reunion are coming to Xbox, meanwhile the game that follows Crisis Core Reunion is not on Xbox, the sequel to Octopath, which was on XBox, is not coming to Xbox.
It's bizarre.
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