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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

akimbo009

Gold Member
Thousands of people went to war, and sacrificed a great deal, to save your country.

Try to be a little more understanding of that when you talk about what’s happening in Ukraine, eh?

Well.... Americans sell guns. Ukraine needs them. Don't see this cycle ending until Russia is a smear on uncle sam's boot.
 
If Taiwan even makes any move to join NATO you can be sure you'll have a China VS Taiwan situation happening just like a Russia VS Ukraine but worse, because the USA will step in for sure. Taiwan is pretty much under the protection of the USA anyway, so they're safe.
 
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winjer

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“If nothing is done in the current situation, then… the return of Russia’s economy to the level of 2021 could take about 10 years,” Sberbank CEO Herman Gref said.

Under its so-called “inertia” scenario, Sberbank forecasts Russia’s GDP to fall by 7% in 2022 and 10.3% in 2023 compared with 2021, when it grew by 4.7% to $1.77 trillion.

The decline would slide back into the single digits in the following years and reach -0.1% by 2030, according to a slide of Sberbank’s forecast at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), Russia’s annual showcase event for investors.

But Gref stressed that Russia has reoriented 73% of oil deliveries to eastern countries in April and May.
“External conditions have changed for a long time indeed, if not forever,” Central Bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina said at a SPIEF event Thursday. “It’s obvious to everyone that it won’t be as it was before.”

Gref said 56% of Russian exports and 51% of imports accounted for countries that have imposed sanctions against the country.

“This is a threat to 15% of the country’s GDP.”

The Kremlin has expressed confidence in its determination to ride out Western sanctions.

Sberbank, which holds one-third of Russia’s banking sector assets, suffered financing issues following tough Western sanctions aimed at cutting off Russian banks’ access to capital markets.

Sberbank said in March it was leaving the European market under pressure from EU sanctions, which were tightened in May to include its expulsion from the international payment system SWIFT.

Full blocking U.S. sanctions in April banned business with the bank and froze its assets in the U.S. financial system.

Gref said at SPIEF that Russia’s banking sector will likely suffer losses this year.
 

FunkMiller

Member
If Taiwan even makes any move to join NATO you can be sure you'll have a China VS Taiwan situation happening just like a Russia VS Ukraine but worse, because the USA will step in for sure. Taiwan is pretty much under the protection of the USA anyway, so they're safe.

I‘d say Taiwan is definitely much safer now. Beijing will look at how poorly Russia’s armed forces have faired, and then will look at their own, completely unproven and untested military, and have second thoughts about invading a sovereign nation who will probably also fight like mad to retain their independence. And it’s an island nation, making the whole thing even worse from an invasion standpoint.

China may want Taiwan, but the risk of making themselves look stupid through military failure will stay their hand.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Of course you do, your opinion is that of a petulant child. The world is coming out of 2 year paralysis due to Covid with high inflation on the horizon probably till at least 2024.
Add to that increase energy costs, and you have a real shit.
Nobody wants this war, and major countries will not die for Ukraine, since Ukrainians do not vote in German, French, etc. elections.

Ukraine cannot won without major EU support for years to come - sorry not sorry, get a peace deal going and focus on rebuilding.

The current invasion represents a breach of a previous accord, which means Russia cannot be trusted. Why do you think Ukrainians are fighting tooth and nail? They know treaties with Russia are written on wet paper.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member


Lithuania is blocking land transit to Kalingrad. Russia is all kinds of pissed but.. what are they going to do.

Also looks like a bunch of movement is happening including Black Sea fleet towards Odessa. Which should be fish in a barrel for Harpoons.

Definitely feels like a push though... Glory to the heroes.
 

Tams

Member
So the Russians are seizing terrority and blocking grain exports and yet only offering less than half what farmers were getting before? Not even enough to bother planting any crops.

Completely unsurprising, but so much for that 'life will be better under Russian rule' bollocks they've been trying to feed people.
 


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Atrus

Gold Member
No context in a language most of us here don't speak.

Good one, genius.

Meanwhile, a full upper body Nazi SS uniform tattoo doesn't need any translation.

The precursor to the National Guard were the Internal Troops, which had several special forces units.

Leopard “Bars” was one of them.

See special units: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Troops_of_Ukraine

Why they’re referencing the chief goat lover’s social media page with a photo of something he probably ordered online, I’m not sure.
 
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The pictured 'combatant' in that tweet has a BAPS tattoo on his ankle referencing some ukrainian unit.

Here's more emblems found on ukraine 'combatants':


If you can't figure out what that means, then I'm truly sorry for you lads.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
The pictured 'combatant' in that tweet has a BAPS tattoo on his ankle referencing some ukrainian unit.

Here's more emblems found on ukraine 'combatants':


If you can't figure out what that means, then I'm truly sorry for you lads.

Your proof that he’s Ukrainian is the generic word “Leopard” on his ankle? Even though the animal naming convention is shared both by the Nazis and Soviets? It could even be a prison tattoo:


There’s also no indication that the TikTok brigade took those off of combatants. Just because I buy replica SAS badges doesn’t mean I killed SAS soldiers.
 
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akimbo009

Gold Member
The pictured 'combatant' in that tweet has a BAPS tattoo on his ankle referencing some ukrainian unit.

Here's more emblems found on ukraine 'combatants':


If you can't figure out what that means, then I'm truly sorry for you lads.

What's your end game here, huh? You loving Russia here or hating Ukraine?
 
What's your end game here, huh? You loving Russia here or hating Ukraine?

Don't throw your shit at me. Just because I've pointed out an obvious propoganda doesn't mean I'm loving or hating someone.

It's obvious an ukrainian combatant - most of them have nazi simbolic tattoos:

 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Don't throw your shit at me. Just because I've pointed out an obvious propoganda doesn't mean I'm loving or hating someone.

It's obvious an ukrainian combatant - most of them have nazi simbolic tattoos:

I like that you are ignoring far bigger propaganda, which has been going on for year. Also Nazis are literally in any country alongside Tankies. Yes they are Ukrainian nazis, but they didn't atracked anyone.

Also they are far more Russians who are nazis, which is well known. Wagner group, etc
 
I like that you are ignoring far bigger propaganda, which has been going on for year. Also Nazis are literally in any country alongside Tankies. Yes they are Ukrainian nazis, but they didn't atracked anyone.

Also they are far more Russians who are nazis, which is well known. Wagner group, etc
Sorry laddie I'm not psychic, but maybe you will tell us all what that is.
 

Tams

Member
The pictured 'combatant' in that tweet has a BAPS tattoo on his ankle referencing some ukrainian unit.

Here's more emblems found on ukraine 'combatants':


If you can't figure out what that means, then I'm truly sorry for you lads.
Well, it seems my Bolshevik detector isn't broken.

Go back to tending your хозяйства населения. You'll be needing the cabbage for your borscht this winter.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Don't throw your shit at me. Just because I've pointed out an obvious propoganda doesn't mean I'm loving or hating someone.

Why are you so keen to highlight Ukrainian propaganda?

It‘s well established that propaganda is a tool in any warfare from any side.

Are you claiming that the evidence of what Russia is doing in Ukraine is propaganda?

Are you saying Russia are justified in their invasion because of some Ukrainian troops?

Honestly. Just grow a pair and be clear about what you’re trying to claim.
 
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Why are you so keen to highlight Ukrainian propaganda?

It‘s well established that propaganda is a tool in any warfare from any side.

Are you claiming that the evidence of what Russia is doing in Ukraine is propaganda?

Are you saying Russia are justified in their invasion because of some Ukrainian troops?

Honestly. Just grow a pair and be clear about what you’re trying to claim.

Oh I didn't know this thread is devoted purely for propaganda. Carry on then comrade.
 

Artoris

Gold Member
No context in a language most of us here don't speak.

Good one, genius.

Meanwhile, a full upper body Nazi SS uniform tattoo doesn't need any translation.
"Meanwhile, a full upper body Nazi SS uniform tattoo doesn't need any translation."

I think you need a psychiatrist to translate that
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
This is going full stupid as the US has had to bail Russia out of famine twice in little over a century, but I guess going full holodomor is on the table.
That was during/after WW2, Holodomor was prior to that...and second time, that was when, I haven't heard of that? However the situation is that, these countries mainly supply poorer regions, where this would lead into war and mass immigration, which is something Russia wants, because it will destabilize those regions, like EU, etc.
 

niilokin

Member
"they both have neo nazi symbols", what difference does it make in the end? some nationalist hooligans defending and dying for their country versus actual invaders coming to commit genocide? symbols don't mean shit in the face of actual evil. nazism is about killing innocents, persecution, taking land by force not about some "stolen" norse,teutonic symbols used for tough guy imagery.

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MrA

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That was during/after WW2, Holodomor was prior to that...and second time, that was when, I haven't heard of that? However the situation is that, these countries mainly supply poorer regions, where this would lead into war and mass immigration, which is something Russia wants, because it will destabilize those regions, like EU, etc.
I know Holodomor was pre ww2, as far as the 2 bail outs 1917 and 1973, so its been about 50 years so I guess they've forgotten how easily their food supplies can fail
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I know Holodomor was pre ww2, as far as the 2 bail outs 1917 and 1973, so its been about 50 years so I guess they've forgotten how easily their food supplies can fail
Oh I didn't know that, I was informed about supplying food when they were fighting during WW2, but it wasn't probably "bail out" but just "help". So thank you.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
Don't throw your shit at me. Just because I've pointed out an obvious propoganda doesn't mean I'm loving or hating someone.

It's obvious an ukrainian combatant - most of them have nazi simbolic tattoos:


Most Ukrainian combatants do not have Nazi symbols tattooed on them. Neonazism is also not specific to one country and is rife among Russian Imperialists, which include those in the DNR and LNR who use symbols like the imperial Russian flag or double-headed eagle.


Your take of the Ukrainians being Nazis is an overly simplistic one based on Russian propaganda, which often projects onto others what they themselves are doing. That you consume material from a known liar like Ramzan Kadyrov, shows a very low threshold for scrutiny when it comes to information.
 

Relique

Member
The pictured 'combatant' in that tweet has a BAPS tattoo on his ankle referencing some ukrainian unit.

Here's more emblems found on ukraine 'combatants':


If you can't figure out what that means, then I'm truly sorry for you lads.
Oh I didn't know this thread is devoted purely for propaganda. Carry on then comrade.
To be fair you have no real leg to stand on about the BARS tattoo.

As a Russian language speaker I can tell you that БАРС is an abbreviation of "Боевой Армейский Резерв Страны" which literally just translates to army reserve. Every Russian speaking country has a BARS unit because they're just army reservist. Showing a badge of the Ukrainian BARS doesn't really prove that the Nazi bitch is Ukrainian. In fact, if you just google БАРС most of the links you find are recruitment pages for the Russian Army reserve. Never mind the fact that it also just means Leopard and the tattoo could just be that.

I am not saying there aren't Ukrainians with Nazi iconography. Russians have them too. There are Neo-nazis everywhere. But basically you stirred shit up in here while not really knowing what you're talking about.
 
To be fair you have no real leg to stand on about the BARS tattoo.

As a Russian language speaker I can tell you that БАРС is an abbreviation of "Боевой Армейский Резерв Страны" which literally just translates to army reserve. Every Russian speaking country has a BARS unit because they're just army reservist. Showing a badge of the Ukrainian BARS doesn't really prove that the Nazi bitch is Ukrainian. In fact, if you just google БАРС most of the links you find are recruitment pages for the Russian Army reserve. Never mind the fact that it also just means Leopard and the tattoo could just be that.

I am not saying there aren't Ukrainians with Nazi iconography. Russians have them too. There are Neo-nazis everywhere. But basically you stirred shit up in here while not really knowing what you're talking about.
Was totally not my intention. I understand how sensitive one must be when their country is being invaded, I would be too. Just my impression from seeing videos of mariupol surrender where these types tattooed from head to toenail in nazi symbolism. Carry on laddies.
 

ratburger

Member
The Wolverines, the squad that Zabielski belonged to, is in disarray, Nettles says. “Only three of us remain now from the original thirteen,” he says. “The deaths and injuries have been in vain because it is an absolute shit-show out here,” he continues. “We had a two-hour firefight that later turned out to be against Ukrainian special forces. It is unbelievable what goes on here.”
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“The media only tells one side,” he goes on. “I am here. I see the reality. Bridges blown up while friendly forces are still on the other side, no communication between units, friendly fire all the time.”
 

Tams

Member
MightySquirrel MightySquirrel Not sure why you reacted like that. If you'd read the article, you'd have found out the Russians were utterly incompetent there.

And nothing in the article is of any surprise. A country that's suffered from corruption for pretty much all its history, was hoping to not be invaded, is grossly outnumbered and until recently utterly out-equipped, and then has to try and integrate foreign soldiers into its military in a short time frame, has had major problems. No shit Sherlock.

All in that article seems like pretty standard warfare to me. Some things even a seasoned and experienced military might blunder.
 

TwinB242

Member
The situation south of lysychansk is really bad at the moment, Russians are close to encircling Ukrainian forces in Zolote, Hirske, and Novoivanivka. There aren't any available roads out either, so they'll have to retreat through a bunch of fields and forests.

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Atrus

Gold Member

Keep in mind that the information was from Seth Harp who was going to disprove the “debunking” of biolabs (but never did the follow up he mentioned in his April 6th tweet), did an interview with Andrei Biletsky to push the
Azov -> Nazi angle (April 7), and was absolutely sure the Foreign Legion was a myth (April 20, April 24) and a Ukrainian psyop which he wrote about in Harpers magazine here: https://harpers.org/archive/2022/07/searching-from-the-ukrainian-foreign-legion/

The proof of his tweet history to my references is here:

This is not to say that this piece of news is inaccurate or couldn’t exist many times over in this conflict, but as can be seen in some of his reporting it may not be properly researched or vetted.
 
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