Swift_Star
Banned
People are salty because a game that would prove their “get woke go broke” shtick is extremity successful, aren’t they?
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The Last Of Us Part 2 has sold over 10 million units earlier this year according to Neil Druckmann | Factions 2 is now a standalone multiplayer game
Swift_Star
Banned
So what’s you source again? Where are the receipts?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
TLOU: 1.3 Million in 7 days. 17 million in 5 years (by 2018)
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TLOU2: 4 million in 4 days. 10 million in 2 years (Fastest Selling PS exclusive ever btw)
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But you go ahead and live in your own realm where both games aren't blockbusters... Just because you don't think they are.
No one's buying this.
We all saw TLoU2 drop off the monthly charts faster than you can shake a stick. There's no way TLoU2 sold better than TLoU, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn, or God of War.
It was literally the game that informed Naughty Dog they were headed for catastrophe continuing on their current path. Congratulations to multiplayer gamers though.
Swift_Star
Banned
The most anticipated of all time? Source?
Swift_Star
Banned
I’d like to see some receipts.
All I’m asking here is for people to substantiate Their takes because we all know this conjecture and downplaying is coming from green rats and people that hoped that a “woke” game would flop.
None of these happened.
So, people:
That’s all I’m asking, folks.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Swift_Star
Banned
I like you, you showed the receipts. I want the haters to show theirs now.
Topher
Gold Member
You really think Druckmann's next project is going to be multiplayer?
ZehDon
Gold Member
Given that this was a sequel to the first game, who itself sold over 20 million copies and had incredible reviews, and the install base of the PS4 was monstrous by the time this released, I feel that even 10 million sales must still have underperformed. Sony' expectations couldn't have been half of the first game's total sales given Uncharted was posting significantly bigger numbers on a smaller install base.
With that said, anyone floating this as some kind of failure is really reaching. 10 million is a massive achievement for any game, and would easily render TLOUII a very profitable investment for Sony. The folks at Naughty Dog should be proud of releasing a full priced single player only game on one platform and posting these kinds of numbers.
With that said, anyone floating this as some kind of failure is really reaching. 10 million is a massive achievement for any game, and would easily render TLOUII a very profitable investment for Sony. The folks at Naughty Dog should be proud of releasing a full priced single player only game on one platform and posting these kinds of numbers.
Nautilus
Banned
Pretty much everything except the moment to moment gameplay, which was excelent.Enemy encounters become a bit tedious after a while, the games pacing is pretty bad.The overall plot is nonexistant, as most story reliea on carachter drama rather than a mix of carachter drama and development and plot reveals like the first game(even if 80% of the story was about carachter development). I hate novelas, and the game's story was basically a novela in videogame format.
What I also hated was the CONSTANT killing of carachters out of the blue. Got-like killing are fine, but one thing the game didn't understand as to why GOT got so famous doing it is because they only really killed carachters suddenly once every blue moon, and even then, most of the time it fleshed out the carachters first, and let them have an arc, before killing them off. In TLOU 2 all of aby's friends die without you really knowing them.The latino guy whose name I forget now was the best carachter in the game, and they kill him just like that, without any time in the spotlight.And for a friend of Aby, she gets over his death pretty quickly.
But what I hated the most was the SJW/leftist politics thrown(Ellie calling people bigots because shes a lesbian, constant stuff like that thrown in your face to make you feel bad if you think otherwise without any of the nuance this type of topic has) or topics being brought in a game that makes zero sense, like that tribal girl that wants to be treated like a boy(She was raised in an ultra religious group in which doing that is a big no-no; they are in the middle of a fucking war, and she thinks that doing something is a taboo is gonna go well with her people; and even after knowing all that, she stills go back to her house and murders her mother just because she can't accept her, because you know it goes against her beliefs and the island is getting invaded and her people massacred, and the game justifies as self defence. Completely unbelievable to happen given the circunstances, and it feels tackled on just to teach the player a "lesson" about being "accepting"). There are the other things, like the game trying to make me feel bad for the villain by trying to retcon the first game, when in the first game it was already pretty clear nobody was truly evil in the game, or making me fight ellie and almost kill her just because, and so many more.
And that's its biggest problem: The game feels actively like its trying to teach you a lesson, to make you feel bad for thinking differently from what it wants you to think, instead of just telling a great story.
The first game had all those morals and stories it wanted to tell, but it was all in service of the overall plot of the game. In TLOU 2 it feels the opposite, it feels like it is a series of lessons on how to behave in real life, instead of just being a work of fiction that is trying to absorb you in its tale.
Swift_Star
Banned
Have you read the Count of Monte Cristo? Because this game basically mirrors that book's ending (The book is mentioned in the game btw).
I really think you should get on with your literary references because only a person incapable of understanding stories and what is being said would think this.
Yeah, you didn't undersand the game AT ALL.
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Pelta88
Member
You know he doesn't have a single slice of info to back up his claim so why bother? Next he'll say Sony committed securities fraud by releasing fake numbers, just to back up his nonsensical claim that the game flopped.
He's invested in saying both game aren't gargantuan successes because that's the way he thinks it should be.
In short, let him keep hating.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What are you proving here? That TLoU2 sold well? Yeah, we know.
Swift_Star
Banned
I like to watch people spinning. It's funny, sad and pathetic all at the same time.
Nautilus
Banned
Lol.
Someone likes something, you are fine and cool.If you didn't understand it though, you are DUMB!Your tastes are shit, because the story it was told is TRANSCENDING ILLUMINARY LITERATURE OF HIGHEST ORDER!
I didn't like it, and that's my opinion. Just like you can have a shit opinion and that would be fine, I can have mine and be right, bevause in my perspective, TLOU 2 story is a piece of flamming shit.
squarealex
Member
Many people include me have re-buy TLOU1 after the remaster on PS4 + all many users went from 360 to PS4-era buying the game...
For TLOUp2, is not bad, is very good even... but I expected "more" for a game like TLOU on title... thanks maybe the shitstorm and other whining stuff... I suppose..
Uncharted is "more" large audience than TLOU... so I don't think is good to compare...
For TLOUp2, is not bad, is very good even... but I expected "more" for a game like TLOU on title... thanks maybe the shitstorm and other whining stuff... I suppose..
Uncharted is "more" large audience than TLOU... so I don't think is good to compare...
Swift_Star
Banned
Nah, you're wrong but that's ok, really:
Go on, keep not understanding stories, it's fine.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No, I think Naughty Dogs cash cow is going to be multiplayer going forward. Druckman will take 6 years and an insane budget to sell another 10 million copies of some single player game and Sony leadership will encourage him to find another position within the company as it focuses more efforts on GAAS.
Topher
Gold Member
I think you are wrong. Sony is expanding, not redirecting. Yes, Gaas is part of their expansion. You make it sound like they are abandoning single player and TLOU 2 is the reason why. I think that's absurd.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It didn't drop off the monthly charts faster than you can "shake a stick." That's what I'm proving.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Deserves to sell like… twice as much. The hate campaign was and still is pathetic.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Then why are they making a new single player IP.....
Nautilus
Banned
It seems you don't even understand the definition of an opinion.But I guess it should be expected, given that you are the sort of person that likes the kind of experience that TLOU 2 provides.Nah, you're wrong but that's ok, really:
Go on, keep not understanding stories, it's fine.
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ComputerBlue
Member
Next fucking year, fuck that I want it now!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If you didn’t like it, why do you want to talk about it so much. Just move on, and not have to feel the burden any longer.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
According to WIki, LoU 1 sold 8M copies in 14 months across PS3 and PS4 by Aug 2014. Add in another 10 months of sales of sales (including Christmas 2014), and no doubt it cleared 10M by June 2015. It was at 17M by 2018.
And that was across a user base of PS3 and PS4 which at that time was about 100M total sales. And the PS4 game was a remaster, not even a sequel.
LoU 2 sold the past two years when PS4 was around 110-120M. And it's the big splashy sequel.
Although there's no exact stat showing how many LoU 1 copies sold at the two year mark, sales for LoU 2 is good, but not impressive at all. It should be way more than LoU 1. It's not. I wouldnt be surprised if LoU 1 sold more in the same time, but only Sony knows.
Nautilus
Banned
I do for the same reason we all are here: Its fun to talk about videogames.
But there are two other reasons I talk about games I don't like:
1) For people to know what they are really getting into when they buy said game.
2) Because I want devs to do better.I love the first TLOU and I wanted the second game to have the same quality as the first.So in the hopes that the third, fourth, fifth, etc. games go back into being quality games, me and the others who feel the same have to speak up so that Sony and Naughty Dog listens.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
The first game was 1. Bundled like crazy, and 2. And two different platforms
We have a game in less than two years selling more then 10 million with no bundles....
Swift_Star
Banned
He is looking for validation. It's terrible to be wrong when no one agrees with you.
But, you know, he's still wrong lmao.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Define quality, because it has great sales, amazing gameplay, a gripping and different story on perspective, hate and loss, the most game of the years awarded to a video game to date, and also winning the true game of the year award
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
They're not expanding on single player.
They're planning to invest what, 15 - 20 percent more into single player games by 2025 right?
Cost of AAA single player games is going to skyrocket in that timeframe.
Sony is coasting on single player while the real focus of growth is on GAAS.
Topher
Gold Member
Nah.....I haven't seen people go after any game they didn't like as they have with TLOU 2. Simply put, your opinion is fine, but it is a very loud and vocal minority. Frankly, it seems that minority is hell-bent on outshouting any positive news the game receives. It is bizarre. I've never seen any other game receive the amount of sheer hate that TLOU 2 receives.
They are expanding into multiplayer. Single player isn't going anywhere.
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Nautilus
Banned
What do you mean?
Quality game is something that's enjoyable, and that's not TLOU 2, which is shite.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
This sounds like a you problem, again it has high sales, critical acclaim for awards, the goty award etc if it doesnt appeal to you then its not for you. Much like how we always preach not everything us for everybody when people try to be so inclusive where everyone has to have fun and meaning
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kyliethicc
Member
Skifi28
Member
How fast can you shake a stick anyway?
Nautilus
Banned
It is indeed loud, but that's because its the majority of gamers that are unhappy with the game.
If it was indeed a minority, the game would have kept it record of being the fastest selling PS game, not falling way behind many if not most of the higher efforts Sony has put out these last few years.
If it was indeed the minority, it wouldn't be common to notice that most of the videos talking about TLOU 2 talks badly about the game.
You guys are living in denial, but the truth is simple: The game was badly received by the fanbase, and casual gamers thought it was at best, a very gourgeous "ok" experience.
Nautilus
Banned
That's what I have been saying?People like you are entitled to have bad opinions like thinking this game is something good and that's fine.There are all sorts of people with all kinds of weird tastes after all.
Just as me and most people are entitled to think this game is trash.Simple as that.
Topher
Gold Member
Nonsense. I can find a YouTube that agrees with me on anything I want. I don't need silly anecdotal and irrelevant evidence. GOTY awards, including Reader's Choice awards for TLOU 2 tell me you are the minority. I get the politics pissed you off, but that is blinding you.
- The Last of Us Part II - 321
- Media Outlets: 208 | Readers' Choice: 113
2020
We're tracking Game of the Year (GOTY) awards from around the world. Discover what media outlets and players voted as the best titles every year.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
and your entitled to your terrible opinion that the game is bad yet cant guve me a reason why and I swear to god if its POLITICS IN MAI GAMES
I want to see your gamer tag so i can personally scan games you have played that have politics in them because most AAA titles gave some sort of political agends no matter what it is. If your upset because you pappi got got well hate to break it to you Joel had it coming anyways.
Anyways i have facts, 10 million sales in less than 2 years
Fastest selling ps exclusive in a 4 day window
highest awards achieved
Goty nominee and winner
All you have are.....feelings, give me the facts homie, give me facts. Not feelings or opinions, i want them facts and receipts
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Nautilus
Banned
You can find a youtube video for anything you like that "validades" any point you want to make(which validades nothing actually, since the quality of a product always depends on the perception of a individual, and there is no two individuals that think exactly alike).Nonsense. I can find a YouTube that agrees with me on anything I want. I don't need silly anecdotal and irrelevant evidence. GOTY awards, including Reader's Choice awards for TLOU 2 tell me you are the minority. I get the politics pissed you off, but that is blinding you.
- The Last of Us Part II- 321
- Media Outlets: 208 | Readers' Choice: 113
2020
We're tracking Game of the Year (GOTY) awards from around the world. Discover what media outlets and players voted as the best titles every year.www.gameawards.net
It doesn't mean that's the opinion of the majority, or that the majority of the videos talks positively about it, because it doesn't.
Topher
Gold Member
I agree, but you were the one who brought up YouTube as some kind of evidence, not me. I don't think random Youtube videos are evidence of anything. I think the GOTY reader's choice is all the evidence I need.
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El Pistolero
Banned
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
These two posts just cancel each other out, lol your being messy now. Back to the bushes for you, wait till part 3 comes out so I can hear you bitch for another two years. Druckmann is living rent free in your head
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Nautilus
Banned
Good god, seems someone stole your candy and that got you mad.
I made myself pretty clear as to why I didn't like the game.I probably made the longest post of this thread just about this topic.Go read it again if you already forgot about it.
There is nothing objective about an opinion.I think its shite and that's it, just as you think its the second comming of Jesus and that's it.I'm certainly not in the minority if the responses in this thread and overall responses on youtube is anything to go by.
As for why I think the game underperformed(bit not bombed), me and others have made it pretty clear: Given the graphics, animations and how much marketing the game had, it sold half as much as Spiderman, God Of War 4, etc.A new IP like Ghost of Tsushima, which probably had a fraction of the budget, sold as well as TLOU.Factions, which was supposed to be free with the purchase of TLOU 2, was removed from the game and its probably now a 70 dolar GAAS game, which in my opinion is the best way to cover up the profits that Sony never saw with TLOU 2, given that they know they can sell millions of units of the Factions game, and not cost as much as TLOU 2, as the game will probably reuse a lot of its assets and technologies.
And thats it homie, that's your "facts" and "receipts" about my own opinion on a game lol.
For fucks sake, facts and receipts for an opinion... Next time I'll have to prove why I like more blondes than brunettes with concrete facts.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Tlou2 was even inside the top 20 of the best selling games in Europe in April or may this year while Ghost of Tsushima wasn't anywhere to be seen even after its re-release.
The way people are in denial in here lmao
Nautilus
Banned
...Where it contradicts?You gotta have to buy yourself some glasses homie.These two posts just cancel each other out, lol your being messy now. Back to the bushes for you, wait till part 3 comes out so I can hear you bitch for another two years. Druckmann is living rent free in your head
And yeah, he lives there rent free. And honestly, I'm happy for it, because I'm having a great time laughing at him
Nautilus
Banned
Good for you. I personally prefer to watch small channel review, instead your IGN and Gamespot that gives Pokemon a 9 score every freaking year.
But hey, thats me.
Topher
Gold Member
What part of "Reader's Choice" did you fail to understand?