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If it’s on GamePass ill check it out. Otherwise, hard pass. Two year delay and it will be 42 years before the remake is finished anyway.
Cuphead was exclusive for 3 years for exampleSorry to ruin your MiCrOsOfT too moment, but they never moneyhatted 2 year exclusives. You fanboys would even lose your shit when they had 3 month timed CoD DLC.
Where is Dead Rising 3? The Last Remnant was also timed-exclusive for 10 years and Mass Effect 1 was blocked for 5 years too. BuT SoNySorry to ruin your MiCrOsOfT too moment, but they never moneyhatted 2 year exclusives. You fanboys would even lose your shit when they had 3 month timed CoD DLC.
You look like the only fanboy losing your shit here.
Microsoft have moneyhatted just as often as anyone else. Don't pretend otherwise.
Cuphead was exclusive for 3 years for example
Cuphead is lifetime exclusive on Xbox for the console space, but in the PC space it’s going to be on every platform we can. So we’ll launch on PC and look into Mac and Linux thereafter.
But without Microsoft’s help and support, it would be hard to get to where we’re at today. For my brother and I to dump so much into this game and remortgage our houses and just put everything possible in to make this, it would’ve probably never happened, because it would have never reached the audience without the tons of marketing push that Microsoft’s been doing.
Our original idea was much smaller scope, eight to 10 bosses, nothing really crazy, and it would have just been a small indie game. But the current scope, thanks to Microsoft, is exactly what we dreamed of. So it’s a double-edge sword. Sure, Sony fans aren’t going to be able to buy Cuphead on their system. But at the same time, the people who do get to play Cuphead will get the full experience and not the smaller portion a three-man team was trying to pull off.
Where is Dead Rising 3? The Last Remnant was also timed-exclusive for 10 years and Mass Effect 1 was blocked for 5 years too. BuT SoNy
Square Enix also had another exclusive on Xbox called Infinite Undiscovery. We are still waiting for that. Phil please!
Oh yeah so you have no problem justifying timed exclusive for Xbox but not playstation...Yeah I get how you think now...Keep warring some of us just want to point that all constructors do this but you can justify it only for one.I think it speaks more about you than anybody else.It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
I don't understand why FF7r potentially coming to Xbox bothers you so much, lmao.
Cuphead? You mean the game from the devs who said this:
And even still, with all that from the devs themselves, it was, reportedly, Microsofts involvement that helped get the game multiplatform in the end? That game?
Probably the worst example you could use.
You clowns don't even take a few minutes to do research before you need to jump and defend your faceless corporation.
Dead Rising, the franchise that Capcom Vancouver have gone on record to say that Microsofts involvement with the IP (and publishing/marketing) are the reason it continues to even exist (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point)? Sony doesn't care about DR in the slightest. Microsoft probably only cared because they can't get their hands on anything else.
Mass Effect 1, that was partially funded and fully published by Microsoft and has "Microsoft Game Studios" in its start up menu? Pre-EA, when MS was too stupid to purchase the company/IP for peanuts and instead Bioware merged with Pandemic Studios which was bought out by EA and therefore Bioware = EA?
And lmao @ talking about Infinite Undiscovery, a game so bad that SE disowned the game and forgot it ever existed. Let's compare all this to games that are 100% fully developed and published by their companies to be moneyhatted with the sole intention of keeping it off the competitions console for 1/2+ years. Nobody is saying Microsoft hasn't done any form of moneyhatting but the desperation portrayed tontry and compare the two is hilarious.
Whats next, Titanfall, the game Respawn took first to Sony but was denied and told to put it on PSVita because they didn't want to send PS4 devkits since it was a secret at the time?
Yup. Glad you have that self awareness to laugh at yourself.It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
You're right Titanfall is another example.It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
I don't understand why FF7r potentially coming to Xbox bothers you so much, lmao.
Cuphead? You mean the game from the devs who said this:
And even still, with all that from the devs themselves, it was, reportedly, Microsofts involvement that helped get the game multiplatform in the end? That game?
Probably the worst example you could use.
You clowns don't even take a few minutes to do research before you need to jump and defend your faceless corporation.
Dead Rising, the franchise that Capcom Vancouver have gone on record to say that Microsofts involvement with the IP (and publishing/marketing) are the reason it continues to even exist (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point)? Sony doesn't care about DR in the slightest. Microsoft probably only cared because they can't get their hands on anything else.
Mass Effect 1, that was partially funded and fully published by Microsoft and has "Microsoft Game Studios" in its start up menu? Pre-EA, when MS was too stupid to purchase the company/IP for peanuts and instead Bioware merged with Pandemic Studios which was bought out by EA and therefore Bioware = EA?
And lmao @ talking about Infinite Undiscovery, a game so bad that SE disowned the game and forgot it ever existed. Let's compare all this to games that are 100% fully developed and published by their companies to be moneyhatted with the sole intention of keeping it off the competitions console for 1/2+ years. Nobody is saying Microsoft hasn't done any form of moneyhatting but the desperation portrayed tontry and compare the two is hilarious.
Whats next, Titanfall, the game Respawn took first to Sony but was denied and told to put it on PSVita because they didn't want to send PS4 devkits since it was a secret at the time?
I'm not sure there's is as much difference as one would initially think.Now I can finally stop watching Tifa porn and actually play with the real thing.
Oh yeah so you have no problem justifying timed exclusive for Xbox but not playstation...Yeah I get how you think now...Keep warring some of us just want to point that all constructors do this but you can justify it only for one.I think it speaks more about you than anybody else.
You're right Titanfall is another example.
You think Sony didn't help the development and marketing of games like SF6 and FF7R?
Sony also "partially funded" the development with their moneyhats. That's the whole point.
All MS moneyhats flopped? But I thought you said they moneyhatted Mass Effect, despite being proven wrong with facts? The game and its two sequels went on to be critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Titanfall, by your words? The first game broke records and did better then the multiplat sequel did with a vastly larger install base (although that's partially on EAs fault for sandwiching it between BF). Cuphead (according to you lot) flopped? You said all, now watch you twist and squirm and single out specific games. And the fact that you need to randomly blurt that out like you needed to get it off your chest speaks volumes.All the MS moneyhats flopped and the series died. Very helpful indeed
Yeah, devs are lying because angry internet fanboy says so.The only reason Microsoft kept publishing those games from third-parties was to block Sony.
They did the same with Ninja Gaiden 2. Even worse than moneyhats. The games couldn't release on PS. They had to do remakes and remasters.
I know about that, I was part of the people that helped them change their mind here, because they were here (I don't know if they are still here) and were pretty open to talk about the game....Except all I did was literally quote the devs verbatim on why the game was exclusive. Even aside from the fact this came from the horses mouth, people who had been following Cuphead, you know, actual fans, knew the game was originally going to be released with far less content due to it coming from a 3 man team and limited resources. How that compares to an AAA game like the OP is about, FF7R, that Sony did not help develop or fund in any capacity, shows the mental gymnastics some will jump through.
When rats don't even need to be baited, you know it's bad. So, Respawns letter on exclusivity was a lie? Sony never denied the accusation that they turned the game down. Just a coincidence? You say the ONLY reason Microsoft publishes games is to block Sony. So everything said by these devs are lies? Because a rabid fanboy on the internet says so?
Street Fighter...6? Freudian slip damage control before the game is even announced PS5 exclusive? At least wait until the SoP
Show me proof that Sony helped develop FF7R. I'll wait.
And "help marketing?" Lmao, they have the marketing rights. Marketing rights are paid for, contractually, for good reason. Trying to equate that into development or publishment reeks of desperation. I would understand if they published the game, but they did not.
Well, as if it wasn't already obvious with my last response, this takes the cake. You don't partially fund with a moneyhat. That's not what a moneyhat is. Did Sony partially fund Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, and almost Starfield? FFXVI? Forspoken? CTR? Bugsnax? RE7, CoD and Destiny DLC?
I'm sure you'll keep moving them goalposts, though.
All MS moneyhats flopped? But I thought you said they moneyhatted Mass Effect, despite being proven wrong with facts? The game and its two sequels went on to be critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Titanfall, by your words? The first game broke records and did better then the multiplat sequel did with a vastly larger install base (although that's partially on EAs fault for sandwiching it between BF). Cuphead (according to you lot) flopped? You said all, now watch you twist and squirm and single out specific games. And the fact that you need to randomly blurt that out like you needed to get it off your chest speaks volumes.
Yeah, devs are lying because angry internet fanboy says so.
You link a Gamefaqs post (lol) that has a link to gamer.blorge.com (lol) that says "Console manufacturers sign a binding contract to pay for the marketing and manufacturing costs of the studio’s game in exchange for an indefinite exclusive deal with the studio."
Is this it, your last ditch attempt? Did you even read what you linked? 13 years ago a company signed a binding contract stating in exchange for fully publishing and marketing a game, it has to be exclusive for an indefinite amount of time? Microsoft and Sony both do this til this very day, notably with indies because publishing AAA games is expensive as fuck and a lot of work. Did Sony publish and pay for any of the manufacturing costs of FF7R, the game the OP is talking about? I'll wait.
Ff remake is on PC. It was removed from the console exclusive list.What? Lol
Buy a ps5 and be happy.Sorry to ruin your MiCrOsOfT too moment, but they never moneyhatted 2 year exclusives. You fanboys would even lose your shit when they had 3 month timed CoD DLC.
I know about that, I was part of the people that helped them change their mind here, because they were here (I don't know if they are still here) and were pretty open to talk about the game....
But I don't get how you can say that what they are saying verbatim is true since the game did come out on ps4, so since this info is factually wrong in your quote what else is ?
And another interesting thing is how do you know that FFVII wouldn't have been different without sony's involvment ?Because (and I will reuse some of the argument made by the cuphead dev), it gave them funding, so more freedom to implement things or even more leeway about dev time, gave them visibility (it was called the E3 of dreams)...So 2 exact same points made by the cuphead team that you quoted yourself.So sure Square has way more financial freedom than the cuphead devs, but did sony helped them getting visibility? Yes....Did it help funding the game ? Yes...Did it help the game scope? ...Probably neither you or me have any proof of it but I tend to believe that getting payed in advance helps.
Now you might think "so then you find it OK for sony to moneyhat games"...The answer is no this is not a justification of anything but it is simply using what you used as a justification for when MS does the same.If those arguments don't convince you then the problem comes from bias and not objective truth.
It does not mean that what sony did was not shitty, it just means that what MS did was shitty too no matter how you defend it.
You wanted example I gave you one, you use some arguments to defend it and I used the exact same arguments to another game now tell me what is the difference except that 1 is moneyhatted by Sony and the other by MS?
You see I don't make mental gymnastic to justify one or the other I just showed you with your own arguments that those deals were shitty.
No if you want a rebutal of my post you will have to fight your own arguments which ultimately destroy your own argumentation...
yeah and i said its because is full console exclusive. it would be misleading being thereFf remake is on PC. It was removed from the console exclusive list.
Don't worry take a step back, all the time you need and you'll see that it is yourself you are fighting....Because you feel the need to go on a long rant and ad hominem when I simply corected your post saying that MS doesn't do long timed exclusive by giving you a literal example of a 3 years timed exclusive...You went to justify it because you need to defend your favorite company, I don't, that's why I said both companies were shitty in that regard, which unsurprisingly triggered you.That's the neat thing with bias , you always think yours are justified, I've heard stories of pro life people going through abortions without seeing the least bit of irony there....Just like you here.The worst thing about fanboys like you is that you believe your own shit. You're not trolling, you legitimately believe your own verbal diarrhea.
I stated a verbatim quote from Studio MDHR, period. It releasing on PS4 three years later doesn't negate that. The fact that you're asking what else could be wrong with my quote when it is factually known that the devs had to remortgage their houses to pay for the development of the game is ridiculous, especially because the devs posted straight to this website reguarly. Microsoft coming in and funding the game to be greater than originally visioned, publishing the game and allowing them to keep the IP literally has zero correlation to Sony and FF7R.
The fact that you have the testicular fortitude to say Sony helped visibility, funding and increasing FF7R's scope thanks to the moneyhat (with no facts aside from talesfromyourass) and that this is in any way comparable to Cuphead is mind-boggling. Literally calling these devs liars, and literally ignoring what we factually know about the studios hardships.
And you think you're not using "mental gymnastics" and that that you're using my argument against me? I don't know if this is more hilarious or more sad, lmao.
G-d of war is there.yeah and i said its because is full console exclusive. it would be misleading being there
Don't worry take a step back, all the time you need and you'll see that it is yourself you are fighting....Because you feel the need to go on a long rant and ad hominem when I simply corected your post saying that MS doesn't do long timed exclusive by giving you a literal example of a 3 years timed exclusive...You went to justify it because you need to defend your favorite company, I don't, that's why I said both companies were shitty in that regard, which unsurprisingly triggered you.That's the neat thing with bias , you always think yours are justified, I've heard stories of pro life people going through abortions without seeing the least bit of irony there....Just like you here.
The difference is I am not defending sony, I am simply showing how your justifications for MS is not one and can totally be aplied to almost any timed exclusive.But you didn't see that right ?You saw that as an attack to MS instead of an attack to a business practice, you saw that as a personal attack because the company you care about was doing the bad practice...I criticized both yet I am a warrior.....I didn't attack you personaly and you did, yet I am the warrior...
Do you see a pattern there ?Now maybe start a little introspection or simply grow up.
Oh so Cuphead wasn't a timed exclusive of 3 years then?Stop lying. Anyone can scroll up and see that I never said that. I said they don't moneyhat 2 year timed exclusives. You did not correct anything by mentioning Cuphead, which I refuted your claim with facts straight from the devs themselves. How can it be a moneyhat if the devs are saying the game wouldn't exist without Microsofts involvement and literal funding? This is like saying Spiderman is a moneyhat from Sony. Pay attention next time.
You say I went on a long rant just because I used actual facts versus your made up claims? The only difference between post length between me and you is you write a sloppy wall of text rant with terrible punctuation all jumbled together, and mine is spaced out and easier to read. Talk about self-reflection and introspection...
And now you're comparing me to pro-life abortionists? Sorry, will you accuse me of ad hominem again if I saw you sound like a rambling old man yelling at the clouds incoherently? Because you think you make sense when in reality you're making a fool out of yourself. Stop being a hypocrite, and own up to the fact your Cuphead example got shut down.
Oh so Cuphead wasn't a timed exclusive of 3 years then?
Glad to learn that , no matter how you justify it....
I don't compare you to pro life abortionnist, I used it as an example about how your bias (in the general sense of your) always seems justified to you.I think you are getting a bit emotional, don't worry man we are just talking about timed exclusive but I see that it strikes a nerve with you.
And you are the one saying that FFVII would've been the same without sony's money, I say that it is a speculation, hence the probably part.It is impressive how you unerstood so little of my post while being insulting....Maybe if you weren't so moved by this discussion you would see that you are just trying to justify facts, others have shown examples and again you were adamant to defend Xbox....It's okay, you will be fine, Xbox can do shitty practices, sony and Nintendo too and I won't get emotionnal about it.Because they're not my friend , nor yours oonce again I am not saying sony==good, Ms == bad I am just saying timed exclusives are shitty but they are OK to you as long as it is Xbox and that's fine you have the right to have your own bias just like me and anyone (except for ouya fans, they deserve Hell).Now if you want to talk constructively I'd be happy to but burrying your head in the sand attacking anyone disagreeing is not an interesting discussion.I will now let you probably get angry (see that the probably means speculation, I am just clarifying since you had trouble getting the nuance in my earlier post) otherwise you will just join my ignore list, I have been civil and level headed and I expect the same from any user here.If I had been vindicative from the start I would've understand your agresivity but nothing here justify it.Now feel free to call anyone a warrior but right now you are definitely looking like one....That's not a good thingand I encline you to change that behaviour for a future constructive talk.Have a great night or great day (I don't know where you live) on that I will hit the bed.
You are lucky I take my time before sleeping, so I can answer one last time.Have I been playing the victim ?That is all you get from this ?Do you know how to answer simple question then maybe?Was cuphead a timed exclusive of 3 years.My first post to you wa litterally cuphead was exclusive for 3 years ....Is it not factual ?You said Ms doesn't do years timed exclusive I provided an example.Do you understand that finding it justified doesn't change anything, it is still a timed exclusive right ?...do you even know what a moneyhat is? You keep rambling incoherently, ignoring actual facts, while talking about striking nerves and other random nonsense. Providing links, quotes, et al. does nothing because it's ignored and the goalposts moved. Your example got debunked, period. Cover your ears and close your eyes if you want.
It's always the same with you lot. Ramble on about nothing, ignore facts, "counter" said facts with made up nonsense, then play the victim and dip out. And you specifically do it on a forum where you scarcely get called out for your bullshit, too. Also, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and tell someone proving you wrong with facts that they're "attacking" you when the majority of your post is talking down to them, insults ("strike a nerve, emotional, triggered," etc). and patronization. Just a little tip for you before bedtime.
i like how they were like who tf is Rand lolSnitch said it isn't him who said it
And still do.Microsoft have moneyhatted just as often as anyone else. Don't pretend otherwise.
Yes, Naraka was announced last year on PS5 with video footage and promo by IGN but yesterday it was announced as a console launch exclusive on Xbox only! The PS5 version must be done by now but Phil moneyhatted it and blocked the release on PS once again.And still do.
Games from their 'showcase' just yesterday lol.
Kingdom hearts is on Xbox.. lets hope they dont do the same douchebag move with kh4At this point if you want final fantasy, kingdom hearts or Japanese games in general, why the hell are you buying an Xbox?
All the KH and almost all FF games are available on Xbox. It's more likely that KH4 will be on Xbox than that it won't.At this point if you want final fantasy, kingdom hearts or Japanese games in general, why the hell are you buying an Xbox?
Typical fanboy drivel.At this point if you want final fantasy, kingdom hearts or Japanese games in general, why the hell are you buying an Xbox?
Typical fanboy drivel.
As already stated, the series you listed are almost entirely already on Xbox - pretty sure Xbox is the only current console that plays the FFXIII Trilogy too.
For Japanese games in general - stuff like Radiant Silvergun, Orta, and Otogi is still only on xb.
All the KH and almost all FF games are available on Xbox. It's more likely that KH4 will be on Xbox than that it won't.
Look, I don't disagree with you, but I wouldn't be shocked that if KH4 follows FFXVI route with some timed deal. They just don't move that much units on XB for Square and I think if anything they are fucking hoping Sony comes knocking with some deal.
With KH3, XB only accounted for 18% of sales
UK Sales Charts: Kingdom Hearts 3 Dominates on PS4
Sony's system accounts for 82 per cent of saleswww.pushsquare.com
I don't doubt KH sells more on PS compared to Xbox, but that link is the dreaded UK physical boxed only charts and we've seen many examples that Xbox tends to favor digital sales in the UK over whelmingly (Elden Ring is 80~ % digital on Xbox if I'm not mistaken). Besides, KH3 (and both 1.5 and 2.5 for that matter) were on Game Pass for a year each as well, so Square has no issue doing business with MS.
The only thing that will prevent Kh4 from launching on Xbox, at the same time at least, is a straight up timed exclusivity money-hat from Sony, ala Forspoken and FF16.
If its doing so well, why take any money in the first place for a timed deal?
So I think its not doing that great and they are open to those deals BECAUSE its only a small percentage and what Sony might be offering might make more sense for them. Those begging for that content on XB have waited long enough, that they'll wait the year anyway. If they didn't buy those IP day 1, it might not matter to Square WHEN it comes out on a lessor install base.
I don't think there's any other reason other than business deals, money exchanging hands, why games like Forspoken and FF16 are timed PS5 exclusives. I doubt Square is just putting out those two on one console only for any other reason.
At this point if you want final fantasy, kingdom hearts or Japanese games in general, why the hell are you buying an Xbox?
As....well XB gamers will buy it that want it, as the few that do want it waited anyway. So to Square, it doesn't matter if they are getting it day 1 or day 365, it was likely always going to be a low number.
If all 3 of the modern Persona games can come to Xbox, any Japanese game can come to Xbox lol.
Capcom ported Onimusha 1, then stopped with 1.
Konami with MGS2, then stopped.
Yes, Naraka was announced last year on PS5 with video footage and promo by IGN but yesterday it was announced as a console launch exclusive on Xbox only! The PS5 version must be done by now but Phil moneyhatted it and blocked the release on PS once again.
I don't see any outrage about it as usual because it's on Xbox. Why always the double standard?
So they put it on PC and Xbox with MS funding but that isn't a moneyhat? I'm a bit confused at the distinction between this and what Sony does with their timed exclusivesHow can it be a moneyhat if the devs are saying the game wouldn't exist without Microsofts involvement and literal funding?
Surprised by the introduction to a 25vyear old game? Of I'm honest, you should probably try and figure out what your buying. If you did that, there would be nothing to ruin.I just bought this on PC 2 days ago. It was on sale.
Question, was Final Fantasy always so...corridor-y? Maybe it's the 3rd person view rather than the isometric(?) classic view that makes it feel that way. It's kinda ruining it for me if I'm honest.
which never really took off in sales or for generating revenue for publishers in the first place.
Newsflash dude. It's a remake of a 25 year old game, which I played and beat multiple times. The orignal did not feel so linear, at least from my memory. That's why I asked a question.Surprised by the introduction to a 25vyear old game? Of I'm honest, you should probably try and figure out what your buying. If you did that, there would be nothing to ruin.