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Axios: Microsoft's Phil Spencer: Activision deal "well beyond anything I’ve ever done"

RevGaming

Member
They don't need to. Those pricing are subjective.


That is your opinion. Some people justify those prices, like they do for 70$ games.



You dont. Nothing justifies ratchet to be 70$ game.



Flight simulator is much better game. The fact that you are saying for honor, clouds your judgment.



Same for every MS games. Every game has budgets. It's not only on graphics, but on particular effects too. Psychonauts 2 had bosses fights. Those aren't easy to make on low budgets.



Those again are subjective.
60$, 70$ can be a turd experience.

In any shape was cyberpunk2077 justified 60$ price. Same for vanguard, battlefield 2042.
They do need to. It's not that subjective when the most popular games are valued around those prices. Agree to disagree.

I can agree with Ratchet. Too short, but if it was longer I would say it would be justified.

Critically, yes. Does anyone really care about an airplane simulator or puts them on their best games of the gen so far? Not really.

Yeah, that's why I said, they need to be quality too and not like bf2042 (which sold poorly which brings me to the two aspects they need to hit). High budget and high quality. They need to make some of those.

Your problem is that you think Flight Simulator and Psychonauts can go head to head with For Honor and Dying Light 2. Again, they need to hit on both aspects well (high budget and high quality).
 
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Punished Miku

Gold Member
Its odd you say Xbox aint going for the pinnacle of visuals, but then you list games where they are..?

Also starfield is not going to be a visual slouch the in game footage is showing higher geometric, detail and ray traced like reflections ( as noted by DF).

Also expect great visuals from Fable, avowed.

So thats

Gears 6
Perfect dark
Hellbalde 2
Fable
Starfield
Avowed

All going for state of the art visuals.

Thats more then sony has announced...
So the actual reality is that its sony are now behind on state of the art.
Spiderman 2 and wolverine are the only announced PS5 exclusives.
Im typing on my phone so its limited. They have some studios going for top tier mind melting graphics. Ninja theory, coalition, initiative. I forgot to mention forza but thats up there for sure. And I did forget Fable as well but that will be sick.

But they also have like 25 other studios with more varied budget and gameplay styles. And I think that's what makes them exciting for me.

And really any Bethesda game is going to be sick. Whether it's from ID software, Doom or Wolfenstein team, Bethesda game studios etc. Lots to get excited about.

I think what this guy wants is a Sony style graphical spectacle in a very certain way. And xbox really isn't doing that much and I'm grateful for that.
 

kingfey

Banned
Well that would be a shame if MS doesn't reach that. All of sony studios are making new IPs
One of the industry can reach the level of flight simulator ✈.
Each industry has its own advantages.

Sony are specificalized in SP games. MS dominates in the MP market, And Nintendo dominates the kids market.

You cant expect 1 companies to be in the same level as what other companies specificalized in. That will take them years to achieve that.
 
Yes Sony has been money hatting a lot of 3 party games to sell maximum of consoles and get the max money back, the money that will be used to give us games like God of war, ghost of Tsushima, ect.

Unfortunately can't say same about other companies.
Global warming has nothing on these takes.

Melting Hot Dog GIF
 

Andodalf

Banned
The only 70$ PS5 game I’ve bought was Rachet and Clank, and after getting the plat I can say I enjoyed it, but it was in no way worth 70$. Just not enough there. Felt closer to what was a smaller 40$ game in the past.

Forza Horizon has far more to it and wasn’t 60. Halo does too if you count the MP, and has the Benefit of not being 60$
 
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Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
Im typing on my phone so its limited. They have some studios going for top tier mind melting graphics. Ninja theory, coalition, initiative. I forgot to mention forza but thats up there for sure. And I did forget Fable as well but that will be sick.

But they also have like 25 other studios with more varied budget and gameplay styles. And I think that's what makes them exciting for me.

And really any Bethesda game is going to be sick. Whether it's from ID software, Doom or Wolfenstein team, Bethesda game studios etc. Lots to get excited about.

I think what this guy wants is a Sony style graphical spectacle in a very certain way. And xbox really isn't doing that much and I'm grateful for that.

But they are though? I just stated the games where they are, plus you mention id who are probably the most technologically gifted devs there is.

There is no "sony style" , Microsoft are doing games which will have some of the best visuals.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
I can see that, but I'm not tired of them and I want MS to join in hehe.
SQEX chased that style with Tomb Raider and Guardians of the Galaxy. Most dont seem to have any fondness for 2nd place. I think its a fools errands to spend so much on those bloated budgets. Let Sony have it and try to make something new. Sony is going to keep making those games.
 

RevGaming

Member
Im typing on my phone so its limited. They have some studios going for top tier mind melting graphics. Ninja theory, coalition, initiative. I forgot to mention forza but thats up there for sure. And I did forget Fable as well but that will be sick.

But they also have like 25 other studios with more varied budget and gameplay styles. And I think that's what makes them exciting for me.

And really any Bethesda game is going to be sick. Whether it's from ID software, Doom or Wolfenstein team, Bethesda game studios etc. Lots to get excited about.

I think what this guy wants is a Sony style graphical spectacle in a very certain way. And xbox really isn't doing that much and I'm grateful for that.
To be fair. High budgets doesn't only mean graphics. Gameplay mechanics, content, voice acting, story, cutscenes etc. too.

I know he replied to another person, but I wanted to be clear when I meant high budget.
 

RevGaming

Member
One of the industry can reach the level of flight simulator ✈.
Each industry has its own advantages.

Sony are specificalized in SP games. MS dominates in the MP market, And Nintendo dominates the kids market.

You cant expect 1 companies to be in the same level as what other companies specificalized in. That will take them years to achieve that.
Sony is worse than MS in multiplayer games, but MS doesn't dominate MP (Yes, I KNOW THEY GOT CALL OF DUTY BUT HEAR ME OUT LMAO).

Gears, Halo and Forza weren't as popular as COD, the battle royales, Destiny and Overwatch and still aren't. They did dominate on xbox 360, but they lost a lot of ground.

but now they have cod, but still. Too many options out there that are just as big or bigger.
 
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Punished Miku

Gold Member
But they are though? I just stated the games where they are, plus you mention id who are probably the most technologically gifted devs there is.

There is no "sony style" , Microsoft are doing games which will have some of the best visuals.
But they're not out yet. When they come out then yes it'll be nice.

Bethesda is like a half step above Ubisoft graphically on average. Its AAA. But Sony first party stuff always goes for more bells and whistles than them. Maybe first party Bethesda funding will bridge that gap.
 

kingfey

Banned
They do need to. It's not that subjective when the most popular games are valued around those prices. Agree to disagree.
Then you play few games. Because majority of games either justify their price, or they don't. It's all comes down to the player experience with that game.


I can agree with Ratchet. Too short, but if it was longer I would say it would be justified.
The point is,, they shouldn't have priced it at 70$. That acts destroys the notion that games are worth 70$, because of their quality. It shows it shows companies are the one who sets their pricing. Not the experience.


Critically, yes. Does anyone really care about an airplane simulator or puts them on their best games of the gen so far? Not really.
Anyone that doesn't game on consoles only. The game is one longest running franchise in the gaming industry. It has been PC exclusive for a long time.


Yeah, that's why I said, they need to be quality too and not like bf2042. High budget and high quality. They need to make some of those.
High budget quality doesn't always give you good experience. There are alot of things, which makes a game good. And that is the experience the game gives you.

Deaths floor, it takes 2 gives much more experience than ratchet and Clank, cyberpunk2077, and battlefield 2042. Yet their price is cheap, compared to those games.


Your problem is that you think Flight Simulator and Psychonauts can go head to head with For Honor and Dying Light 2. Again, they need to hit on both aspects well (high budget and high quality).
Have you seen the Metacritic for these 2 games. One was technical achievement, while the other was goty contender.

I dont get, how you think those 2 are worse than for honor, and dying light 2 which is messy experience right now.
 

SSfox

Member
Global warming has nothing on these takes.

Melting Hot Dog GIF

Money hating is usual, Nintendo also mobeyhat MH rise, what matters is what content and experience you deliver for those who buy your hardware.

That's just facts, meanwhile MS that has 100 times more money than Sony still couldn't deliver anything that get me excited about their Xbox.

Seeing how you defend MS i hope that at least you're really enjoying the stuffs they deliver to you tho.
 

kingfey

Banned
Sony is worse than MS in multiplayer games, but MS doesn't dominate MP (Yes, I KNOW THEY GOT CALL OF DUTY BUT HEAR ME OUT LMAO).

Gears, Halo and Forza weren't as popular as COD, the battle royales, Destiny and Overwatch and still aren't. They did dominate on xbox 360, but they lost a lot of ground.

but now they have cod, but still. Too many options out there that are just as big or bigger.
We are talking studio output.

MS has Sea of theives, gears, halo, and forza horizon. All have MP mode, which is excellent.

Players count is different. But quality wise, MS studios delivers those with multiple games.

But for Single IPs, nothing can compete with COD. And BR mode, fortnite wins easily.
 

RevGaming

Member
Then you play few games. Because majority of games either justify their price, or they don't. It's all comes down to the player experience with that game.



The point is,, they shouldn't have priced it at 70$. That acts destroys the notion that games are worth 70$, because of their quality. It shows it shows companies are the one who sets their pricing. Not the experience.



Anyone that doesn't game on consoles only. The game is one longest running franchise in the gaming industry. It has been PC exclusive for a long time.



High budget quality doesn't always give you good experience. There are alot of things, which makes a game good. And that is the experience the game gives you.

Deaths floor, it takes 2 gives much more experience than ratchet and Clank, cyberpunk2077, and battlefield 2042. Yet their price is cheap, compared to those games.



Have you seen the Metacritic for these 2 games. One was technical achievement, while the other was goty contender.

I dont get, how you think those 2 are worse than for honor, and dying light 2 which is messy experience right now.



I'm top 0.#% on trophy leaderboards. You'll be surprised how many games there are already that I am asking MS to do. I don't even buy EA, Activision and most of Ubisoft games etc.

Then $60. I mentioned $70 because that's where we are heading.

Ok. Good for FS I guess.

"High budget quality doesn't always give you good experience".
Yeah, but you would be an outlier then. Attractiveness wise still matters.

"Deaths floor...,"
Again, you're making the same error. Death Door, although it's good for Gamepass variety and it's a good game, it's niche.

"Have you seen the Metacritic for these 2 games. One was technical achievement, while the other was goty contender. I dont get, how you think those 2 are worse than for honor, and dying light 2 which is messy experience right now."

For the millionth and third time, those games are niche and the other two, even if they're bad, will attract more players. Now if someone did quality AND high budget, it would have been bigger than any of those 4.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
Money hating is usual, Nintendo also mobeyhat MH rise, what matters is what content and experience you deliver for those who buy your hardware.

That's just facts, meanwhile MS that has 100 times more money than Sony still couldn't deliver anything that get me excited about their Xbox.

Seeing how you defend MS i hope that at least you're really enjoying the stuffs they deliver to you tho.
Your loss. Lots of fun stuff to play.
 

RevGaming

Member
We are talking studio output.

MS has Sea of theives, gears, halo, and forza horizon. All have MP mode, which is excellent.

Players count is different. But quality wise, MS studios delivers those with multiple games.

But for Single IPs, nothing can compete with COD. And BR mode, fortnite wins easily.

Ok. So? MS didn't make games that "dominated" multiplayer last gen.

Again, you seem to not understand why mass appeal is important here.
 

kingfey

Banned
I'm top 0.#% on trophy leaderboards. You'll be surprised how many games there are already that I am asking MS to do. I don't even buy EA, Activision and most of Ubisoft games etc.
Then you dont play alot of games. Being n1 in board, that doesn't mean you know anything about games. Games arent trophy. They are experience, which you gain by playing them.

Then $60. I mentioned $70 because that's where we are heading.
That is because the cost is rising up alot. Nothing is cheap these days. It doesnt translate to the quality of the game. Just how much it costed, to make that game.

"High budget quality doesn't always give you good experience".
Yeah, but you would be an outlier then. Attractiveness wise still matters.
and that is how you end up with cyberpunk2077, and battlefield 2042 trailer, and demos they had.

"Deaths floor...,"
Again, you're making the same error. Death Door, although it's good for Gamepass variety and it's a good game, it's niche.

That is not niche. That is gamers wanting big graphics. Most good games suffer from that issues, because gamers like you, care about graphics.

For the millionth and third time, those games are niche and the other two, even if they're bad, will attract more players. Now if someone did quality AND high budget, it would have been bigger than any of those 4.
Then what is quality games then? Popular games, with shit gameplays like PUBG, which has mass followings? Or GTA online, which over shadows the experience of the story mode? Or Warzone/fortnite, which has mass following. All they offer is BR game mode? Is that what you consider a quality game?
 

kingfey

Banned
Ok. So? MS didn't make games that "dominated" multiplayer last gen.

Again, you seem to not understand why mass appeal is important here.
Mass appeal means easy digestive games. Not complex games.

In term of publisher studios output, MS dominates in that regard. They can push 4-6 MP oriented games at the same time.

There are tons of games out there, which has MP modes. But these are from various single studios, or publishers with 1 or 2 games.

In easy break down.

Call of duty, Fortnite: Mass appeal, but they are single IPs.

MS studio output: Forza horizon, gears, sea of thieves, halo, add bethesda MP games in to the mix, and they will have tons of MP games at their disposal. That is dominating the market.

People can choose from any of these games.
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
But they're not out yet. When they come out then yes it'll be nice.

Bethesda is like a half step above Ubisoft graphically on average. Its AAA. But Sony first party stuff always goes for more bells and whistles than them. Maybe first party Bethesda funding will bridge that gap.

The conversation was never about games that are already out, who yourself even mentioned future games?

But anyway, Games have there strengths and weaknesses. I expect starfield will look better then horizon FW, and even returnal in some ways, but being an open world space sim there will be areas which have less detail then others.

But I think fable and the others will match ND on a technical level, they will likely Surpass then in some areas
What people forget about ND is that there tech is not better, its just everything is hand crafted and refined, which is really rare. R* are the only other ones who match there level of detail.
 

RevGaming

Member
Then you dont play alot of games. Being n1 in board, that doesn't mean you know anything about games. Games arent trophy. They are experience, which you gain by playing them.


That is because the cost is rising up alot. Nothing is cheap these days. It doesnt translate to the quality of the game. Just how much it costed, to make that game.


and that is how you end up with cyberpunk2077, and battlefield 2042 trailer, and demos they had.



That is not niche. That is gamers wanting big graphics. Most good games suffer from that issues, because gamers like you, care about graphics.


Then what is quality games then? Popular games, with shit gameplays like PUBG, which has mass followings? Or GTA online, which over shadows the experience of the story mode? Or Warzone/fortnite, which has mass following. All they offer is BR game mode? Is that what you consider a quality game?

Sure. Trophies don't mean I play games.

Yeah. I know why games increased in price.

Not every high budget game ends up like bf2042 or c2077 lol.

It is niche.

Hahaha that's not what I meant at all.

Mass appeal means easy digestive games. Not complex games.

In term of publisher studios output, MS dominates in that regard. They can push 4-6 MP oriented games at the same time.

There are tons of games out there, which has MP modes. But these are from various single studios, or publishers with 1 or 2 games.

In easy break down.

Call of duty, Fortnite: Mass appeal, but they are single IPs.

MS studio output: Forza horizon, gears, sea of thieves, halo, add bethesda MP games in to the mix, and they will have tons of MP games at their disposal. That is dominating the market.

People can choose from any of these games.

HEY! we can agree on that at least with the popular MP shooters. It still matters tho. That's the whole point of the AB deal.

In the near future yeah. But output is not the only thing that matters.

That's a good point. Variety can trump a one trick pony. It's why sony is making 10 and not 3 GaaS games. That's a very good point, but both MS and Sony will have a hard time going against T2, EA, Epic Games and Ubisoft. Unless they buy them lmao, but I don't think they want to sell themselves. Maybe Ubisoft.
 

RevGaming

Member
The conversation was never about games that are already out, who yourself even mentioned future games?

But anyway, Games have there strengths and weaknesses. I expect starfield will look better then horizon FW, and even returnal in some ways, but being an open world space sim there will be areas which have less detail then others.

But I think fable and the others will match ND on a technical level, they will likely Surpass then in some areas
What people forget about ND is that there tech is not better, its just everything is hand crafted and refined, which is really rare. R* are the only other ones who match there level of detail.

Eh. That's a lot of pressure on those MS studios., but I like your high expectations for MS. We need more of that.
 
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Lognor

Banned
Absolutely true 👍 but then there’s
Returnal
The last guardian
Astro bot
God of War
Demons Souls
Kena
Bloodborne
All of which are quite different from the recent run-of-the-mill titles. Just IMHO
What even is this list?

Two of them are remakes/remasters of games that are 10+ years old. Another was developed by a third party that Sony later bought. God of War was fresh, but now we are getting an iterative sequel (which was my initial point). Kena is not a Sony game. Astro Bot and Bloodborne I will give you. Bloodborne is seven years old though so the fact you gotta go back that far says something.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
The conversation was never about games that are already out, who yourself even mentioned future games?

But anyway, Games have there strengths and weaknesses. I expect starfield will look better then horizon FW, and even returnal in some ways, but being an open world space sim there will be areas which have less detail then others.

But I think fable and the others will match ND on a technical level, they will likely Surpass then in some areas
What people forget about ND is that there tech is not better, its just everything is hand crafted and refined, which is really rare. R* are the only other ones who match there level of detail.
Im expecting Starfield to be super cool. But they're not amazing in terms of animations and graphics. If they rise to that level I'll be happy. I think an astronaut game plays to their strengths. Slower detailed exploration.

Fable I expect to be similar to Horizon 1 in that its a hugely impressive game that is a new genre for the team. Itll be highly rated and maybe have a tiny bit of for improvement since they've never made a game like that.

The future is bright.
 

Stuart360

Member
If I were in charge of MS, my response would be "We care about games as a medium. We want to make the best games we can. The kinds of games people will remember playing the rest of their lives."

All this metric/mobile stuff just sounds like they don't give a (green?) rate's ass about what they are actually making. I hope that's not the case. Sounds VERY much numbers driven and not content driven though. But, hey, I'm not on the inside so who knows. I'm sure the creators themselves care about what they are making. Just wish Phil seemingly cared the same way.
All the big three care about money and numbers, they are not in this for a laugh. Unless you think Sony suddenly going full in on GAAS games is because they simply fancied a change.
 

Lognor

Banned
All the big three care about money and numbers, they are not in this for a laugh. Unless you think Sony suddenly going full in on GAAS games is because they simply fancied a change.
Yep. And let's not forget. Sony tried and failed to cash in on the mobile market. Sony went ALL IN on mobile several years ago. It was a huge failure. They wish they could cash in on that mobile market, but it has not been so easy for them. Same for Nintendo.

GAAS is just the new cash cow that Sony is trying to go after. We'll see if they have any success there though. Acquiring Bungie was a step in that direction.
 

Lognor

Banned
Microsoft is trying their best. They are trying to get market share by bleeding cash Nintendo and Sony can’t.

In the end, worst case scenario, Sony and Nintendo merge.
I don't see Nintendo having any interest in the non-video game segments of Sony. Maybe Nintendo buys the Playstation division? They could push the next Switch as their handheld console with Playstation being their dedicated home console. Doesn't make much sense, but that's the only way I would see something like this happening.
 

RevGaming

Member
Microsoft is trying their best. They are trying to get market share by bleeding cash Nintendo and Sony can’t.

In the end, worst case scenario, Sony and Nintendo merge.

I would actually get chills if all the Japanese publishers form an alliance by merging to take down the American company with all of the American publishers. That's way too sci-fi tho hahahah
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Which is good, because I didn't do that. I highlighted that Xbox has been saying "next year!" for seven years. The issue is that 5 studios, or 32 studios, they just need to manage them and deliver top tier titles. They had questionable output with 5 studios. They have to prove they can do better, now with over six times the studios. I think it's ok to discuss can they actually do that. Forza Horizon 5 is a pretty good start, but then Halo Infinite came along and was a step back.

And I mentioned that you're basically not thinking this through. Promises made with 5 studios don't have the same impact as promises made with 32 active studios.
They did NOT have questionable output from the bulk of their first party lineup. The Coalition, Turn 10, Mojang, Playground all released quality games and with very good efficiency too.
They don't have to 'prove' to anyone that iD, Ninja Theory, Obsidian, InXile, Bethesda, Machinegun Games, Arkane and Tango can release good games. That's a ridiculous notion.

Halo Infinite has over 26 GOTY awards as it stands, and is one of the best rated games of 2021...so you're pretty much just parroting a minority opinion.


So, "next year!" again, is it? What other big titles have Microsoft confirmed for early and mid 2022? All of the confirmed titles are late 2022, with plenty of time for more delays back into 2023.


Again with the dishonest goalpost moving. You're the one who mentioned 2023 as potentially a 'barren year'. And now it's been pointed out to you that there's a LOT of stuff that's likely lined up for that year, you've pivoted to 'next year' FUD. Why?

Halo Infinite's campaign has the largest landmass, sure, but also the most bloat by far. And the least amount of high quality missions. Don't twist 343i's reliance on an empty world as some kind of amazing achievement; Halo Infinite is pretty unambitious. Hell, you can't even replay a mission. It's the most anaemic package in the franchises' history. And I specifically went out of my way to highlight that we don't know if 343i or Microsoft is responsible for that debacle. I, personally, point the finger at 343i - they're easily Microsoft's worst developer - but there's no way to be certain.

Since inception, 343i has made multiple Halo games, all critically and commercially successful. As i said earlier, the most recent entry has an 87% MC rating. 'Worst developer' indeed.


My narrative is really simply: Microsoft now has to manage more studios than any platform holder in history, and deliver industry leading games to carry its platform, Microsoft's metaverse strategy, and fuel Game Pass. It's a hell of an ask of anyone. For the last generation, their output has mostly been lacking. That's not a controversial take. Gears 4 and 5 were perfectly fine, but don't hold a candle to the series at its height. Forza Motorsport started to run pretty dry by the 7th entry, and needed the break its on. Playground, however, has consistently delivered. They're easily Microsoft's best proven studio in my eyes. At the end of the day, promises don't mean shit to me: I need to see the proof that Microsoft can actually deliver on the incredible potential that their massive investments have created. I really don't think it's a big issue to be cautious on that. Phil Spencer seems pretty genuine, but if he says "this E3 is our biggest ever!" yet again this year and underdelivers with more CGI trailers for games years out, I think it's ok to be a little unhappy.

Microsoft simply has to continue what they've been doing post acquisitions: leave team structures in place, refrain from interfering with creative freedom, provide way more resources to the studios than they've been used to (in many cases) and encourage knowledge and tech sharing across all the companies in Microsoft gaming. And from all indications, that's not changing. So it does seem like you're questioning whether some of the industry's finest studios can continue to make quality games...which makes no sense.

And yes, this E3 will be the biggest ever. and yes, we'll still have games announced with CGI trailers. It's the sensible thing to do, when your gameplay isn't ready for sharing, and when you want to announce what you're up to, the setting of the world etc. You can feel free to be unhappy, but that would be an entirely self-inflicted injury.

I'm not sure why this is peculiar to Xbox. Elden Ring was announced with CGI trailers that everyone loved. CGI trailers were used to announce Death Stranding and Wolverine. No widespread complaints.
 

RevGaming

Member
I don't see Nintendo having any interest in the non-video game segments of Sony. Maybe Nintendo buys the Playstation division? They could push the next Switch as their handheld console with Playstation being their dedicated home console. Doesn't make much sense, but that's the only way I would see something like this happening.
Would Nintendo let Playstation rot and give Xbox the majority of that gaming space?
 

kingfey

Banned
This cocaine’d dude is exactly what I think Microsoft is doing, except I dont think it will work.


This dude spouted so much bullshit all at once.
MS will never gain monopoly, due to how hard is it to make games. Plus MS would bleed tons of money buying every publishers and games in the world. They would also spend $40b a year to have every game on their service. And what is worst, is that game directors can leave your studios, and make new one. Now you have to buy those studios too. That is not feasible thing to do for MS.

Gaming isnt movie industry, where a single hit movie takes 1-2 years to make. MS with 30+ studios will have 30 AAA games in the span of 6 years, and that is 5 AAA game every game. Those games needs to be hit too.

I dont see them gaining 15% of market, with that pathetic output, if they want to sustain gamepass users for a long time.

Other big publishers wont sit down, and let MS have those games for their gamepass. They will buy out those publishers, thus effectively cutting those 3rd party games from gamepass.
 
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kingfey

Banned
I would actually get chills if all the Japanese publishers form an alliance by merging to take down the American company with all of the American publishers. That's way too sci-fi tho hahahah
That is another scary outcome. Imagine EA+Ubisoft merge. Imagine Capcom+Square merge. No one will sit down against these threats, and say, I would do my own. Even Nintendo will have to open their wallets soon.
 

RevGaming

Member
This dude spouted so much bullshit all at once.
MS will never gain monopoly, due to how hard is it to make games. Plus MS would bleed tons of money buying every publishers and games in the world. They would also spend $40b a year to have every game on their service. And what is worst, is that game directors can leave your studios, and make new one. Now you have to buy those studios too. That is not feasible thing to do for MS.

Gaming isnt movie industry, where a single hit movie takes 1-2 years to make. MS with 30+ studios will have 30 AAA games in the span of 6 years, and that is 5 AAA game every game. Those games needs to be hit too.

I dont see them gaining 15% of market, with that pathetic output, if they want to sustain gamepass users for a long time.

Other big publishers wont sit down, and let MS have those games for their gamepass. They will buy out those publisher, thus effectively cutting those 3rd party games from gamepass.
I agree.

WTH, then why did you disagree with me on the previous posts?

Huuuuh, but you just said...

Sony needs Capcom and Square.
 

RevGaming

Member
That is another scary outcome. Imagine EA+Ubisoft merge. Imagine Capcom+Square merge. No one will sit down against these threats, and say, I would do my own. Even Nintendo will have to open their wallets soon.
Nintendo would be that meme where the dog is in a house of fire, but it actually never gets burned by its surroundings.
 

kingfey

Banned
I agree.

WTH, then why did you disagree with me on the previous posts?

Huuuuh, but you just said...

Sony needs Capcom and Square.
What I mean is that MS needs to have constant output of AAA games to sustain those gamepass users. Most of their 30+ studios cant make AAA games.
And if Sony bought capcom and Square, MS would lose those games from gamepass. Making some gamepass users leave the service.
These are the things what holds gamepass down, and not allow it to gain upperhand. The guy in the video ignores these options.
 

Riky

$MSFT
Xbox is on the rise 🤣👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

Please tell us the quality titles that have come out over the last couple of years from Xbox or any of the devs they bought? The best talent all left these studios years ago, hence why the games are all garbage.

When you look at some of the posts people get banned for yet this goes untouched? How does that work?
All the first party games released by MS since the Series console launch have been 80+ games, some 90+
It might be a bitter pill to swallow for some but facts are facts.
 

RevGaming

Member
What I mean is that MS needs to have constant output of AAA games to sustain those gamepass users. Most of their 30+ studios cant make AAA games.
And if Sony bought capcom and Square, MS would lose those games from gamepass. Making some gamepass users leave the service.
These are the things what holds gamepass down, and not allow it to gain upperhand. The guy in the video ignores these options.
But we don't know what will happen yet. Sony hasn't bought them yet.

I guess, ape does not kill ape the same way a Japanese doesn't kill a Japanese lmao.
 

Chukhopops

Member
This cocaine’d dude is exactly what I think Microsoft is doing, except I dont think it will work.


MS made almost double the revenue for 2020-2021 that they made in 2016-2017 before they launched GP. I doubt they are losing any money overall those days. And even if you only factor game sales they had four games in the yearly Steam top sellers and two in the NPD top 20.

I don’t think the comparison with Amazon makes any sense.
 

yurinka

Member
Didn’t they just spend $4 billion on a developer for the sole purpose of using their experience to release 10 GAAS games over the next few years? The whole purpose of a GAAS game is engagement and player count.
No, they also bought many more things.

They are creators of two of the biggest and most influential FPS and MP IPs, so Sony will also grow in these areas both from Bungie stuff and also with what they can teach and help other PS Studios games in these areas in addition to the GaaS one.

The main reason of the acquisition maybe is that they have multiple new IPs coming in the next few years so they have the potential of being Halo/Destiny level or even huger and more influential. And Sony wants the money generated by these IPs and Destiny 2, plus milk them more outside gaming in cinema or tv stuff.

Bungie expects to release "at least" one new IP before 2025, so pretty likely 2 or 3 of these 10 games are upcoming Bungie new IPs. And anoher one is GT7, coming next month.

MS made almost double the revenue for 2020-2021 that they made in 2016-2017 before they launched GP. I doubt they are losing any money overall those days. And even if you only factor game sales they had four games in the yearly Steam top sellers and two in the NPD top 20.

I don’t think the comparison with Amazon makes any sense.
Sales generated by all MS games in all platforms, plus Gamepass revenue are way under $80B. And their business model of putting AAA games day one (so losing a ton of potential sales revenue) on a subscription with 25M subs who have a small average revenue per user isn't profitable at all. Yes, MS is losing a lot of money.

They make these huge investments knowing that they will have massive loses today but hopefully it helps to highly grow their userbase that somewhere in the future may figure how to monetize them on a profitable way, to don't need to keep losing money on huge acquisitions and giving away AAA games to get attention and grow the userbase reaching a point where they may start to be profitable in the long term so in an even longer term to recoup these investments.
 
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I don't see Nintendo having any interest in the non-video game segments of Sony. Maybe Nintendo buys the Playstation division? They could push the next Switch as their handheld console with Playstation being their dedicated home console. Doesn't make much sense, but that's the only way I would see something like this happening.
The reason it wouldnt happen is because Japan wouldnt let it happen. I worst case scenario they merge. Or Sony buys Nintendo. Nintendo really isn‘t that expensive.
I would actually get chills if all the Japanese publishers form an alliance by merging to take down the American company with all of the American publishers. That's way too sci-fi tho hahahah
Well if Microsoft, Facebook, and Amazon go ham (if Google‘s Parent company really gave a fuck about Stadia they would have bought EA) and they make dent into their profits.. yes I ultimately see mergers happening.
Is it such a terrifying prospect for you that MS gets more market share? :messenger_grinning:
thats nice way to put it. It’s more like Xbox already loses money, so they figured a way to take control of the industry by under cutting their competitors. Aka the Amazon model. It will work if there isnt a limit to how many subscribers Xbox can get.
This dude spouted so much bullshit all at once.
MS will never gain monopoly, due to how hard is it to make games. Plus MS would bleed tons of money buying every publishers and games in the world. They would also spend $40b a year to have every game on their service. And what is worst, is that game directors can leave your studios, and make new one. Now you have to buy those studios too. That is not feasible thing to do for MS.

Gaming isnt movie industry, where a single hit movie takes 1-2 years to make. MS with 30+ studios will have 30 AAA games in the span of 6 years, and that is 5 AAA game every game. Those games needs to be hit too.

I dont see them gaining 15% of market, with that pathetic output, if they want to sustain gamepass users for a long time.

Other big publishers wont sit down, and let MS have those games for their gamepass. They will buy out those publishers, thus effectively cutting those 3rd party games from gamepass.
I dont think it will work, but their intent is clear. I personally enjoy it. I like watching all this shit go down. It forces Sony to focus on Playstation heavily too. Nintendo will be perfectly fine, no that they discovered the mobile market. Even if they end up pulling a Switch U(Pro home console version of the switch) and it ends up bombing hard.
 

RevGaming

Member
When you look at some of the posts people get banned for yet this goes untouched? How does that work?
All the first party games released by MS since the Series console launch have been 80+ games, some 90+
It might be a bitter pill to swallow for some but facts are facts.
Let him have his fun. He'll cry.
 

kingfey

Banned
But we don't know what will happen yet. Sony hasn't bought them yet.

I guess, ape does not kill ape the same way a Japanese doesn't kill a Japanese lmao.
Same thing for MS in the future. Gaming has alot of variables. Xbox was the favorite during the x360/ps3. Then xbox one happened. Ps2 ahd much better position than OG xbox, then ps3 happened. Nintendo insane amount of hardware's with Wii, then come up with Wii U.

As long as these weird variables exist, nothing is guaranteed in the gaming industry. Even MS with trillion dollars of money, cant change those variables.

We also have now the VR market, which is trying to poke itself in to the gaming industry. The metaverse, which has huge backing from top corporations. If these medium are successful, the regular gaming medium will disappear, and everyone will play their games, through these mediums.
 

Lognor

Banned
The reason it wouldnt happen is because Japan wouldnt let it happen. I worst case scenario they merge. Or Sony buys Nintendo. Nintendo really isn‘t that expensive.
I'm confused. Why wouldn't Japan let Nintendo buy Sony but would let the opposite happen? That makes no sense.

Nintendo already has a monopoly in Japan. Adding PlayStation into the fold wouldn't change anything there.

And Nintendo IS expensive. Microsoft tried and failed to buy them. Microsoft with unlimited cash couldn't buy them. But you think Sony could?

Nah. The only thing I could see happening is Sony spinning off PlayStation and Nintendo acquiring that. PlayStation by itself would be pretty cheap.
 
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