Bernd Lauert
Banned
Of course they care about what they're making. They're making endless amounts of money.
Congratulations to my fellow shareholders
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SSfox
Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yes, Sony only cares about organic and pure player joy, that's why they're moneyhatting GTA online shark cards
SSfox
Member
Yes Sony has been money hatting a lot of 3 party games to sell maximum of consoles and get the max money back, the money that will be used to give us games like God of war, ghost of Tsushima, ect.
Unfortunately can't say same about other companies.
kingfey
Banned
there is difference between spending $3b to get fps studio with a single IP, and a entire publisher for $68.7b. One wants to have FPS studio, which it lacks, while the other wants that studio for their gamepass service.
You are way too emotional involved with this when you gets chills down your spines and gets anxiety over Microsoft wants to acquire more studios.
Did you also gets chills down your spine when Jimbo said they will buy more companies as well, like its some purchase list?
It must suck to be so fragile.
They problem isnt that they are spending money to enhance their studios. the problem is their corporate thinking. bethesda and activison makes much sense for them. But what doesnt make much sense, is the ability to be excited about buying tons of publishers.
And before you try to make this a console war thing, look at how much both spent on their acquisition. They arent even close. These guys saw money printing machine, and now are all in on that service. And wont stop, until they have reached a point, where that service brings more money to them.
You can worry about $2.8T corporate company, being excited to spend that much money on the gaming industry. That is never a good thing in the long term.
kingfey
Banned
the others are corporate. But they dont have the manpower of MS. If they did, you wont see them doing what they do now. Having insane amount of money affects your corporate decision.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Didn’t they just spend $4 billion on a developer for the sole purpose of using their experience to release 10 GAAS games over the next few years? The whole purpose of a GAAS game is engagement and player count.Yes, Sony only cares about organic and pure player joy, that's why they're moneyhatting GTA online shark cards
DaGwaphics
Member
Yes, Sony only cares about organic and pure player joy, that's why they're moneyhatting GTA online shark cards
It's why they axed the Zombie sequel as soon as the money wasn't as good as they had hoped. LOL It was all about that quality, ya know.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
GAAS shooters are all about prestige and player joy though. Unlike those corporate player count hunters at Double Fine, Obsidian and inXile
Swift_Star
Banned
That doesn’t mean what you think it means.Yes, Sony only cares about organic and pure player joy, that's why they're moneyhatting GTA online shark cards
Wouldn't them paying rockstar to give me 1,000,000 shark card credits every month to play the game instead of me having to buy them on xbox actually mean they do care about player joy?Yes, Sony only cares about organic and pure player joy, that's why they're moneyhatting GTA online shark cards
I'll ponder about this in the shower and before going to bed tonight.
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RevGaming
Member
Let me ask you this. Would you or the other guys that praise xbox's last year games pay $70 individually for Halo Infinite, Flight Simulator, Psychonauts 2, Gears Tactics and Forza Horizon 5 (I Personally would have for this one)?
A lot of people think those games are ok because they're getting them at no extra cost because of Gamepass, but when you ask them if they would buy them at $70, a huge chunk would say no. Then they're not as good as other publishers or platform holders games then, right? You don't have to compare them to Sony games. FF, Capcom Games, Souls Games, Rockstar etc. People would pay $70 for those.
I get he sounds pessimistic, but it's ok to be cautious. He chose to go with xbox first. I would get him. Even if he's paying $15 a month, he wants to feel games are worth $60-70 even tho he's not paying that. Would you buy Redfall, Stalker 2, Scorn for $70? We haven't seen Starfield, but I know that game is the one that should be worth $70, even if Gamepass exists. It must feel like you're playing a $70 game for $15 either way.
I think the list is also stretched. Psychonauts 2 is on playstation and most of the development was done (yeah MS helped, but it was mostly done). Gears Tactics and MS already released on PC. Only Halo infinite and Forza Horizon 5 count and one was really good but for the other one, people are still complaining about content and the playerbase is dropping. My brother is a huge Halo fan. He only has xbox for that game, and he said he stopped playing and is playing the other Halo now, so it's not all rainbow and sunshine. Not yet. Nobody is right, yet. We'll see how Starfield releases and then it will make sense to talk again about this topic.
DaGwaphics
Member
You would find people that will say X game wasn't worth $70, sure. The thing is, you'd find an overwhelming majority of PS owners that said the same about Sony first party. Even their best selling titles weren't worth even spending a single $ to 80% of PS4 owners. GP will absolutely encourage players that wouldn't have purchased a game individually to give it a shot, that's not a bad thing. A lot of that is just player taste, some of the games are going to be from one players favorite genre, while others are things they wouldn't ordinarily touch. Plus, there is a big contention of gamers that simply aren't paying day one prices period.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
None of the Xbox games are $70. I got two PS5 games full price when I got my system in Nov 2020. Demons S and Miles. Regretted Miles purchase and haven't bought a single PS5 game full price all 2021, literally a whole year with a brand new system.
I got Returnal for $50 and still felt ripped off due to the limited roguelike nature of the game.
AA and indie games are great, even without super inflated graphics and price tags. I bought many Switch games last year and recently got Pokemon Arceus.
Sony's $70 pricing is just making me push them back as my last consideration for games purchases and there's lots of other available alternatives. Not even Elden Ring is $70.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Are we talking about fanboys or the company?
Fanboys gets excited by anything thrown their way, and of course the corporate gets excited by getting new studious under their banner, because of the new possibilities.
It makes sense in every way.
Sounds like you are worried about these games not hitting your favorite platform.
Of course they aren't, and the only reason is because Sony can't afford it.
Should Microsoft stop spending their money because Sony or Nintendo can't afford these deals?
What a commie way to think.
RevGaming
Member
Overwhelming majority? You mean people who wouldn't be interested anyways? Those don't matter. I'm talking about the people who are interested in SP games, which is the minority anyways. I already said we don't need to compare SONY games. We can compare SE, Capcom and Rockstar games.
So would you say, since Forza and Halo had 20 million users, all of them found the games worth $70?
The guy who brought the topic just wants to feel he's playing a game that is as big and good as some of the $60-70 games he loved to play. He thinks Xbox still hasn't done a lot of that. That's fine and justified. I see no problem.
Yeah people buy them on sale, it's all subjective, but they should be millions that felt the game was worth $70. Some people say, damn, I paid $20 for this, but I would have paid $70 for it. That's my point. That's what MS needs to do achieve (keep achieving in your opinion).
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kingfey
Banned
No one is worried about the games. Just those guys behind Phil.
They know that, and that is why they are spending that much money. This isnt commies or whatever you think it is.
They have money advantages. And they know that very well. And know very well that Sony, Nintendo can't spend what they can spend.
This is a company that discovered they can spend their chest money, to skip the competition completely.
RevGaming
Member
They're not $70, but they need to make people feel like they would've have no problem if they had to spend $70 on them even tho they wouldn't. That's the point. Why are indies $20 and double A games about $40-50?
Ok. What about Square, Capcom, Ubisoft and Rockstar games? Were they worth $60-70? Do you feel MS is on that level?
Well I'm quite the opposite. I want games to get bigger. You can give 10 Double A games vs a Rockstar game and I would pick The Rockstar game.
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DaGwaphics
Member
People have created a fairy tale in their mind about this gulf in quality and they stick with that, doesn't make it a real thing. This notion that FH5 or HI are any less AAA than the releases by others is hilarious. MS has many high rated games that sold millions of copies at day one prices, as did Halo Infinite and FH5. In the scheme of things, those other companies you listed are barely touching the full audience of the consoles they are releasing on, so most users have no interest in those titles as well. GP creates a situation where someone that wouldn't be traditionally interested in title XYZ is more likely to try a game. That's the beauty of the service, a feature, not a flaw.
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kingfey
Banned
That doesn't mean much anything to SP games. Its all subjective.
Forza horizon 5 is $70-$80 game to some people. Same for halo.
Returnal, demons souls, ratchet and Clank doesn't justify 70$ for some people.
People put price on their games. It doesn't mean it should represent everyone.
Lognor
Banned
They had an insane 2021. Would you have preferred they delay some of those games to 2022 to fill out the year?
One game, if that's what happens, isn't great but look at Sony last year. They only had ratchet and clank and returnal. And starfield is a much bigger game than both of those combined so still better output than what Sony did last year.
RevGaming
Member
It's just not high rated games. It's also the mass appeal and production value. Do you think Flight simulator can go head to head with Dying Light 2. If a console had MS FS and the other had DL2, and those were the only exclusives. Who would sell more consoles?
Why do people need to downplay with attachment rates? Third party games have 4 platforms, more people to reach, and still don't reach sony sales, so are they worse for that? Doesn't matter if Gamepass reaches more people, the point is the quality and mass appeal the games need to have. All of this Gamepass narrative is lowering standards for some people here.
I never said reaching more people is a bad thing. I said that the games they are releasing need to feel like you're paying for Sony, Capcom, Rockstar games (not all of them, but plenty of them) for $15. That's it
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Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Thats why they have 3rd party deals with stalker 2 and scorn.
Also what else you suggest, if you rush dev cycles that never is good for the games.
There are going to quiet years for bot platforms.
2021 was a quieter year for sony with 2 first party and one 3rd party exclusive.
But you are wrong anyway because Microsoft have already shown they have great first party in 2021.
Also starfield wont be the only game, they will also have deathloop on gamepass, maybe they will even have some exclusive DLC for it.
kingfey
Banned
Sony had better years in 2020, then their output was slow in 2021, but now to better one.
MS needs to have that type of momentum. 2020 was a waste land for them, aside of few small, dlc game, and flight simulator✈. Then they had strong years at the end 4 month of the year.
These type of inconsistent makes it hard for them to have a good year.
That issue would fixed in 2023 though. Since from that year, their 1st party games would bump games nonstop. Until then, we will have to wait for starfield, and hope there is no delays for Motorsport, and red fall.
DaGwaphics
Member
Again, you're trying to construct some kind of absolute scenario based on your own preferences. Is FS more niche than DL2, certainly. However, for someone that is deep into simulation games could FS be the determining factor in what ecosystem they invest in, sure.
RevGaming
Member
I'm not saying everyone should feel those are worth $70, but that should be the aim for MS. Flight Simulator, Gear Tactics and Psychonauts are not it. I get the subjective part, but at least you can see the $70 on those games. I don't like For Honor, but I can see the game was produced to be valued at $60. I can see that even tho most of us wouldn't pay $60 for it, we can understand it's a high budget game.
That's all I'm saying. They need to make people feel they're getting high production highly rated games on gamepass. Not one or the other. Forza Horizon 5 is an excellent example.
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RevGaming
Member
It's not my preference. It's what sells. I'm not talking from a subjective gamer me point.
Starfield would be the example I'm looking for. That game is built to bring SP gamers masses and needs to hit and make people feel like they're getting a top tier popular game for cheap.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Xbox is on the rise while PS is stagnant and it's obviously hurting a lot of feelings. It's endless salt on this forum now.
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DaGwaphics
Member
They should be trying to develop a broad variety of titles across all budgets and genres. Getting stuck in a specific mode and being a slave to sales would be a detriment to GP. That's how you end up with companies making variations of the same games over and over again. Budget doesn't equal quality or necessarily impact the fun that you have playing a game. Look at Nintendo's sales and the budgets that go along with those. MS should try to make quality games first and foremost, on that we agree.
Psychonauts is a quality game and its ratings highlight that. FS is a highly rated simulator. FH5 and HI are tent-pole type big budget games and are also highly rated. I'd much rather have quality across a broad spectrum than picking a certain mold and restraining them to just that over and over again.
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N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Xbox is on the rise
Please tell us the quality titles that have come out over the last couple of years from Xbox or any of the devs they bought? The best talent all left these studios years ago, hence why the games are all garbage.
Lognor
Banned
There is some of that salt now, right on cue!Xbox is on the rise
Please tell us the quality titles that have come out over the last couple of years from Xbox or any of the devs they bought? The best talent all left these studios years ago, hence why the games are all garbage.
RevGaming
Member
I agree. Sony needs to improve in the MP department and MS has a lot of potential now.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
"4ll 7h3 64m35 4r3 64rb463"Xbox is on the rise
Please tell us the quality titles that have come out over the last couple of years from Xbox or any of the devs they bought? The best talent all left these studios years ago, hence why the games are all garbage.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Still waiting! List these awesome games…
Lognor
Banned
Right now it feels like with Sony it's more is the same. TLOU again, spiderman again, gran turismo again, hzd again, gow again, etc. And all these games are iterative. No real risks. Just more of the same.
RevGaming
Member
True. Variety will sell Gamepass, but the bigger games is where I'm cautious. That's all. I think you got what I'm trying to say with that Flight Sim vs Dying Light 2 scenario. One has high rating and the other appeals to a mass, but MS needs to do those 2 things well with one game to convince people that Gamepass is a viable option. That's all man.
Nintendo is another breed hehe. I agree with you brother. I prefer Hollow Knight over Call of Duty (MS don't buy team cherry if you see this), but I think you understand what I said. I'm not saying all games need to be Rockstar or Titanfall 2 level, but they should aim for that with a couple of their 32 studios.
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N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Absolutely true
but then there’sReturnal
The last guardian
Astro bot
God of War
Demons Souls
Kena
Bloodborne
All of which are quite different from the recent run-of-the-mill titles. Just IMHO
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Thats fine. I think what you mean then is that you mostly want the absolute pinnacle of budget and AAA graphics. If thats how you feel then I can understand why you like Sony games. Xbox really isn't going for that type of game. Hellblade 2 is probably the closest we've seen to a cinematic graphics heavy game from them. Coalition studio will also push too tier graphics on Gears. Probably Perfect Dark as well with lots of ex naughty dog staff.
Personally I do not need a game to be that to enjoy it and I actually really enjoy the diversity in gameplay and budget. My top wish for Sony studios would be to have each studio make 1 big game and 1 small game that is cheaper and more experimental.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Which company is planning to launch 10 live service games? Oh, right. It is Sony
kingfey
Banned
They don't need to. Those pricing are subjective.
That is your opinion. Some people justify those prices, like they do for 70$ games.
You dont. Nothing justifies ratchet to be 70$ game.
Flight simulator is much better game. The fact that you are saying for honor, clouds your judgment.
Same for every MS games. Every game has budgets. It's not only on graphics, but on particular effects too. Psychonauts 2 had bosses fights. Those aren't easy to make on low budgets.
Those again are subjective.
60$, 70$ can be a turd experience.
In any shape was cyberpunk2077 justified 60$ price. Same for vanguard, battlefield 2042.
DaGwaphics
Member
But, they already have highly rated games with mass appeal. I guess we agree that they should keep doing that, okay.
I'm definitely excited that a lot more than Gears, Halo, and Forza are on the way. Good times ahead.
RevGaming
Member
Well, Xbox would be doing the same if... you know already.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
That’s a fact of modern day gaming. Every now and then a gem is released. That would be Elden Ring next.
I’m just long in the tooth now
TheGodfather07
Member
"Mobile and casual"
Come on, Chad Phil. You should know by now that those two words are illegal to hardcore gamers.
Come on, Chad Phil. You should know by now that those two words are illegal to hardcore gamers.
RevGaming
Member
Well that would be a shame if MS doesn't reach that. All of sony studios are making new IPs. I wouldn't worry. Yeah they're probably third person but that doesn't mean they can be different. Not everyone who bought uncharted bought horizon.
I play games like Hades and Hollow Knight, but for the most part, yeah, I want the top of the food chain and I'm also pointing out that the masses are like that.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Im really glad they're not going for the same thing as Sony. I'm already getting burned out on it with just Sony. Owning all 3 consoles is fun when they're actually different.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Its odd you say Xbox aint going for the pinnacle of visuals, but then you list games where they are..?
Also starfield is not going to be a visual slouch the in game footage is showing higher geometric, detail and ray traced like reflections ( as noted by DF).
Also expect great visuals from Fable, avowed.
So thats
Gears 6
Perfect dark
Hellbalde 2
Fable
Starfield
Avowed
All going for state of the art visuals.
Thats more then sony has announced...
So the actual reality is that its sony are now behind on state of the art.
Spiderman 2 and wolverine are the only announced PS5 exclusives.
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