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[lastmessiah]

Plenty of devs use DirectX 12. That has nothing to do with being "first party".

You do understand what the top sellers list is, right?

So if a “first party” game just means that it is only sold in one place, why should I even care. It has no bearing on the game’s quality, it is just an artifice of marketing.

GoW is in the top sellers now because it was just released, but the numbers aren’t great and I guarantee it won’t be there long.

 

[Topher]

So if a “first party” game just means that it is only sold in one place, why should I even care. It has no bearing on the game’s quality, it is just an artifice of marketing.

GoW is in the top sellers now because it was just released, but the numbers aren’t great and I guarantee it won’t be there long.

Not sure why you care about it being "first party" on PC at all, frankly, but you were the one who brought it up.

It is on the top sellers list now which indicates plenty of PC gamers "give a shit" about it.

 

[cormack12]

Nah, Sony would have to weigh how many players they have that would jump ship. If they start releasing on PC with aligned console launches, they're going to push a portion of PS+ subscribers to the PC ecosystem. It's less convenient which is why some of us pay the couch premium. I don't know how you estimate that kind of PC userbase switch but suits are risk averse, even more so with Jim Ryan talking about the blockbuster strategy and cost of games.

I think best PC owners can hope for is a PC release on the cusp of a year, but PC gamers always have lots of games on Steam anyway and mods prolong game life a lot better so even if they are three years late, PC players won't care it's still using console geometry, models and animations and being late to the party as long as it performs well and they can crank up the textures and frame rates.

 

[ZywyPL]

Nonsense.

Not only is everything in your post factually inaccurate,. but the sentiment behind it is ignorant of the economics of why consoles exist in the first place.

They've build on AMD's Zen2 CPU and RDNA2 GPU, and of the shelf GDDR6 memory, nothing is inaccurate, quite the opposite.

People can write paragrapgs about secret sauce all they want and truly believe in it, but it is what it is, the consoles are PCs in disguise, PS4, XB1, Pro and 1X already were, so dunno what people are hoping for with current gen.

This is easily the most cost-effective design in terms of both the hardware itself and games development, so the trend will only continue, and the connection between different generations and PC will only tighten.

 

[rofif]

But I DON'T WANT to buy a fucking PlayStation, and be forced to endure 30fps.

Your loss. So better not play a game at all or wait 5 years until the hype and novelty is gone?
It’s not a matter of price since it’s cheap

 

[Wunray]

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

>more games should be more accessible to people

Imagine believing otherwise..

videogames aren't some inherent constitutional right

 

[Ellery]

I genuinely think it is better to release later on PC. Hear me out.


1) PC has a lot of different hardware configurations that need optimization. Releasing day 1 on PC and PS5 at the same time would either mean that the Playstation version is coming outer later or the PC version isn't running that well.
2) It takes time for PC gamers to get the hardware (I am not talking about you 1%ers of 1%ers 5950X people with RTX 3900 that spent 5500$ on your rig, but the 7700K GTX 970 people that are representing the mainstream). Just look at the crazy God of War requirements. RTX 3070 to run at 1440p 60fps. That is a 900-1000€ graphics card.
3) Much easier to see which games are the giga performers that are highly sought after and would sell well on any platform. Imagine if Sony had thrown resources at The Order 1886 to release on PC day 1. The outrage would have been gigantic. A boring 6 hour game that is absolutely no fun at all.
4) Money. Yes Sony as a business has to think about money and releasing first on Playstation and later on PC has to be the best way to go. We hate to say it, we hate to accept it. We can see that it is working right now and works for Rockstar with GTA and RDR. Just look at how much buzz the games are getting? Even just the media buzz is enough that God of War is releasing on PC that people are purchasing it on Playstation.
5) Incentivizes people to buy a PS5 and the sequels on the Playstation platform. That is one of Sony's plans with this. They kind of want to give you a taste of a game on PC so you consider buying a PS5 for the sequel.

Honestly I think the way they are doing it right now is great. It seems like the ports are amazing (God of War, Days Gone, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn). No idea what happened to FF7R but that is 3rd Party Square.
The games are selling super well. It really isn't a big deal if a game is coming a couple of years later on PC. As a PC gamer myself I think the quality of a port is the most substantial thing for a successful PC game and making that a reality takes a lot of time to optimize and polish.

I say this as someone who has a decent rig and played more on PC than quite possibly all consoles combined including all Nintendo handhelds. I also think any comparison to Microsoft Xbox (the biggest PC company in the world with basically unlimited resources) doesn't make any sense here, because the scope and amount of Playstation exclusives is quite different.

 

[OZ9000]

They should - but they won't.

Either way, I'm happy to wait 1-2 years for PS5 titles to hit the PC. I'm in no rush to play their games.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Nah.
They lose double dippers.
They lose money to steam being the middle
Man
They have been a successful company being a console and video game maker. There not just a publisher. Why change it so much

 

[Mister Wolf]

Its smarter for them to stagger the releases for at least a year to get potential double dippers like myself who own a PS5 and PC.

 

[Brofist]

Sounds like a good idea to me

 

[ZywyPL]

Your loss. So better not play a game at all or wait 5 years until the hype and novelty is gone?

Yup. People had 8 years to get a PS4, if they didn't it means they weren't interested in GoW at all in the first place.

It's a good game, but it's not "OMFG this is the greatest game of all times everyone should experience!"-level of good. It's an AAA game after all, which in modern times means it's a safe formula with basic gameplay mechanics, nothing to desperately get a PS4 for.

Take HZD and DG for example - why would any PC gamer want a PS4 just for those games where ther are already so many Ubisoft games and their clones to play that share the exact same formula?

The games eventually landed on PC, cool, people will obviously give them a go, but it's not like some guys are trying to paint here that PC gamers are desperately "begging" Ryan on their knees to port the games to PC (well maybe except for BB which is true, but because that's exactly the kind of game PC audience loves).

And of course unsurprisingly this narrative comes from the same guys who few hears ago were oh so damn sure that their eloved Sony "will never ever follow MS and their games will never show their feet on PC land!".

Now take a look at Spider-Man - nobody is talking about it, nobody gives a shit, literally, there's zero conversation arount the game, BUT - if Sony decides one day to port this one as well, people will play it, on their already owned PCs, but if/until that happens - nobody cares, nobody is waiting, let alone "begging" for it. If someone is begging for anything it's those console folks for 60FPS patches, suddenly 30 isn't "more than enough anymore"...

 

[kingfey]

I know this is late, but here me out.

Make a pc store for day1 games. This way, you dont lose anything.

 

[balls of snow]

Lol no. Gow was cracked the day it came out. Ms games are more gaas oriented with both sp and mp component so they can get away with it. With sony, once broken considered stolen.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

They've build on AMD's Zen2 CPU and RDNA2 GPU, and of the shelf GDDR6 memory, nothing is inaccurate, quite the opposite.

People can write paragrapgs about secret sauce all they want and truly believe in it, but it is what it is, the consoles are PCs in disguise, PS4, XB1, Pro and 1X already were, so dunno what people are hoping for with current gen.

This is easily the most cost-effective design in terms of both the hardware itself and games development, so the trend will only continue, and the connection between different generations and PC will only tighten.

This is true for Xbox Series X/S, it was intentional by design they wanted their feature set to be the same as desktop RDNA 2 and the DX12U feature set. The reason of course was scalability in development across the different platforms and this makes sense given Microsoft's history of supporting games both on PC and Xbox consoles.

Sony didn't go down this route at all, a number of features were omitted from the PS5's APU design both on the CPU and GPU, such as the missing FPU units, hardware VRS and Sampler Feedback Streaming. The PS5 doesn't support Mesh Shaders either (although it does have the hardware). Instead they opted for their own proprietary tech which isn't found on PC's or the Series X/S such as the cache scrubbers and most notably the I/O complex. PS5 doesn't even use DirectX and instead Playstation rely on their own technology called PSSL (Playstation Shader Language). This was one of many reasons why God of War took 2 years to develop and port over to PC which they even stated in their interview.

Do you really think Mark Cerny and his team could have convinced Jim Ryan and the head honchos at Sony to dedicate precious silicone space for the I/O and other proprietary tech on the PS5 if they were also planning on porting all the first party exclusives to PC or even day and date releases? Considering the counterpart PC's have massive variability in their storage architecture from HDD's, to SATA, to M.2 NVMe as well the GPU feature set.

So when you say these consoles especially the PS5 are just "PC" it's not entirely true and lacks a lot of context and we don't have to invoke the "secret sauce" either.

 

[squarealex]

Forbes...

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game-pass-vs-70-the-%E2%80%98mlb-the-show%E2%80%99-xbox-deal-is-a-bad-look-for-sony-forbes-article.1599371/page-4#post-262975187

lol okay

 

[kingfey]

PC is a completely different ecosystem/platform. Mario Kart is still Mario Kart. Nintendo has no PC hardware/platform to sell.

have you considered the switch emulator on pc? Why does that not hurt them? I can clearly play switch games on my pc, yet they arent losing any sales.

Putting their games on pc wont hurt them. Switch is portable console. You can play it outside, with friends. If nintendo put their game on pc, they wont lose sales. Their console sales will rise up.

 

[nosferatu93]

I think its much easier for them to optimize/prioritize for the console first as opposed to fine tuning everything for PS5 and PC all in one go. I'm happy to see PC players take part in these unique Sony IPs going forward, though!

Unique?

 

[Punished Miku]

I think Sony will definitely launch day 1 on pc soon. They seem to be spooked about MS now and will soon be trying to rebrand their sub service. Jim has publicly said he wants to sell his games to hundreds of millions. They're both looking at a post-console future and data that many teens play f2p games on pc now only.

Nintendo is not immune to change either and actually can make shockingly radical changes when they need to.

Many Japanese devs are embracing pc now as well and that gets noticed.

 

[skneogaf]

I think if they did they would earn more money through pc sales than they would lose through the 10 percent drop in hardware sales.

Xbox is still selling record breaking amounts of series consoles even though every game is day 1 on pc so I think playstation would keep the fan base just fine.

Most casual gamers don't want a 2000 dollar pc to play games on their TV.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

No. I highly disagree. Why buy a PlayStation when you know the exclusives that it is known for are coming to PC as well at their highest fidelity and performance day one? Porting older games probably wouldn’t be so detrimental, but day one games is a bad idea imo.

Can’t find a PS5? Just get a decent PC and experience everything Sony has to offer and more. Why get a PS6 when your PC will play all the games it get as well? Use that PS6 money to upgrade your PC. There won’t be anything special or unique about Sony consoles anymore software-wise. Might as well port them to XBOX also.

 

[MisterXDTV]

PC Gaming is dead anyway...

You can buy 3 PS5 for the price of a mid-range GPU

Nobody cares

 

[Topher]

have you considered the switch emulator on pc? Why does that not hurt them? I can clearly play switch games on my pc, yet they arent losing any sales.

Putting their games on pc wont hurt them. Switch is portable console. You can play it outside, with friends. If nintendo put their game on pc, they wont lose sales. Their console sales will rise up.

And I've said this many times, but the simple fact of the matter is that Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft games being available on PC isn't going to magically turn console gamers into PC gamers. Consoles are not going anywhere.

PC Gaming is dead anyway...

You can buy 3 PS5 for the price of a mid-range GPU

Nobody cares

 

[Y0ssarian]

I thought PC players only cared about Bloodborne anyway?

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

PC Gaming is dead anyway...

You can buy 3 PS5 for the price of a mid-range GPU

Nobody cares

Dead? Finding one PS5 for a decent price is near impossible, let alone 3.

 

[kingfey]

And I've said this many times, but the simple fact of the matter is that Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft games being available on PC isn't going to magically turn console gamers into PC gamers. Consoles are not going anywhere.

it wont. You cant make someone, who isnt interested in your product, buy your product.

Only switch can change their mind, but the game price tag is the big issue for the pc community. They arent stupid, to spend 60$ on games, especially when there is no discount.

Same thing can be applied to console users. You cant make a console user, a pc user. They wont abandon 8 years of console, just to play on pc.

 

[kingfey]

PC Gaming is dead anyway...

You can buy 3 PS5 for the price of a mid-range GPU

Nobody cares

That is funny take kiddo. We always hear this about console users.

We had close to 30m concurrent users on steam alone. That is how much people logged in that day.

 

[Rea]

What a dumb article, Doesn't make much business sense. Sony gonna lose millions more than gaining PC player's money. If Sony gonna do as this dumb article said, I'm gonna un subscribe the PS plus, ditch my ps5 to someone, then steam will be my primary game library, And I'm pretty sure, it will not just be me, there will be millions others.

 

[kyoji]

Media is goofy and sony are as well if they listen to them. This isnt about day 1 pc fuss like they want to make it out to be. It all boils down to trying to help leverage an even playing field for that other company based out of washington, and there are paid influencers organized to write bait articles like forbes etc. Now peep the logic, a tale in 3 photos:

 

[assurdum]

I don't think it's really a good idea for the console sales.

 

[Clear]

They've build on AMD's Zen2 CPU and RDNA2 GPU, and of the shelf GDDR6 memory, nothing is inaccurate, quite the opposite.

That's like saying anything with an internal combustion engine and runs on gasoline is a car!

NO!

 

[TGO]

 

[kingfey]

People always seem to miss the reasoning behind Microsoft's multi-platform approach when they write these kinds of silly articles.

Sony didn't just win one generation. Sony won the entire console war. They walked into the industry, de-throned Nintendo in one go, and haven't been shifted from the top dog position in five generations. At some point, you have to call it quits folks. Nintendo called it quits with the Wii. They straight up stopped trying to compete on technology and appealing to "gamers", and instead shifted to rely on using their un-matched design, innovation, and broad appeal to carve out a niche. With the Switch, they've proven the genius of their strategy again.
Over on team green, Microsoft tried to go big with the Xbone, and it damn near killed them. In fact, they're still in re-build mode. So, Microsoft called it quits - and rightfully so. They can't continue to play the game Sony is playing, so they decided to play a different one. They'll still sell plenty of Xbox consoles - but those consoles are now basically cost effective gaming PCs for folks who can't afford actual gaming PCs. PC, Xbox - they're just access points for Microsoft's services, like Gamepass. Microsoft's multi-platform subscription approach is bold, and its already showing great success. By selling their titles on Xbox and PC, they also maximise the revenue they can bring in on sold titles, meaning even if their Xbox consoles don't sell incredibly well - and, so far, they are - they can still make plenty of money.
Sony's playing the OG Console war game because it's the game they already won. They don't need PC sales to make up for lack of hardware units sold because that's never been an issue. They don't need multiplatform subscription models because they jacked up their retail prices by 25% AUD and people are still paying it. Sony is sitting in the top dog position, so they get to enjoy the benefits that position brings. PC releases are, to them, little more than advertising that people pay for to drive interest in their newest console sequel. I doubt that will change so long as they're in position 1. An extra 5 million PC sales is absolutely nothing compared to an extra 5 million console owners. Those 5 million owners will drive an insane amount of money for Sony, because they own the platform. So, sure, they'll release some titles on PC - but only after they've served their purpose of driving console sales. Then, they'll shift their purpose to drive interest in the sequels to those titles that are releasing exclusively on PlayStation. It's a smart play, and Sony will continue to laugh all the way to bank.

While your points here makes sense, it doesnt translate to current generation now.
Sony old method isnt working lately. Yes they have the big hit games. But that is still not enough in the current market. Sony put all their eggs in to 1 basket. They followed the Hollywood formula. They are now paying the price for that model. Having games like that needs a big budget. Especially with salaries being higher right now, compared to the past. We arent in the ps4 market, when they had complete domination.
Switch has 92m sales. Their games sell 20m-30m copies. And it costs less budget to make them.
Ms on other hand, is trying rebuild mode like you said. In the process, they are gaining bigger market share. Pc community +cloud community+ RPG community. Not to mention, their games are diversified, unlike Sony games.

They need to get out of the console market mentality, and have outside support. PC market doesnt pose any risk to these companies. You cant make a pc player buy a console, when he doesnt want to. And you cant make console player buy a pc, because he spent 8 years of his time with a console. Its not that easy. With their games on pc, they can get enough budget to support their studios to make these games. If they dont put their games on pc, Sony will the risk of losing money on their games, if it doesnt sell enough. Not to mention, other consoles are trying to steal customers from you.

MS has gamepass. Just this month alone, they have hitman 3 collection, and mass effect legendary edition. That is potential sales for Sony, which is going to MS gamepass. And if gamepass gets day1 games, like Mlb the show, future ubisoft games from uplay, then Sony will have to rethink their strategy. Their competitor is stealing their customers from them. And if Playstation users get xss, then that is huge loss for them. Any money that is lost from these users, wont go toward their developers. And that money is important, because it funds future projects.

 

[DaGwaphics]

As always, such a short-term view on things.

Yeah, the PS5 would probably still do extremely well, and would still have a solid chance at doing better than the PS4, but the problem is that you would be sending a message to your clients that a PC is all that you will need going forward. So when the PS6 came, and assuming that the cost of PC parts eventually came down, it would make far more sense that someone buys a PC, that would cater to all its gaming needs, excluding Nintendo, and it would also be something that you would use daily in your day to day life, as PCs basically became an essential item in most people lives. So instead of spendinf money on a PC, something that you would buy reagardless, and on a PS6, you would just buy the PC.

I already hate that MS basically went third party, and now it seems that Sony is also going. Hope that doesn't translate to less innovation and worse experiences with consoles.

Looks at Xbox Series being best selling consoles in Xbox history, years after going day and date on PC. Cheap ass bastards are going to console, smug rich bastards are going to go PC; where the games are doesn't matter.

 

[lastmessiah]

I don't think it's really a good idea for the console sales.

Sony is definitely not making any money producing and selling PS5s. I doubt they even made much on PS4 hardware. It’s expensive to produce and sell hardware at a loss.

 

[ACESHIGH]

O don't think that is convenient for PC gamers. Sony PC ports are a mixed bag with them taking all the time in the world to develop them. HZD took more than a year after release to be 'fixed' and God of war should run better on PC, the game is a CPU hog and has sub par performance on AMD cards.

 

[Yoboman]

Media is goofy and sony are as well if they listen to them. This isnt about day 1 pc fuss like they want to make it out to be. It all boils down to trying to help leverage an even playing field for that other company based out of washington, and there are paid influencers organized to write bait articles like forbes etc. Now peep the logic, a tale in 3 photos:

Lmao thats a real headline?

 

[Spitfire098]

Sony is definitely not making any money producing and selling PS5s. I doubt they even made much on PS4 hardware. It’s expensive to produce and sell hardware at a loss.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit

"Sony’s $499 PlayStation 5 console is no longer selling at a loss. Bloomberg reports that Sony chief financial officer Hiroki Totoki shared the news just a week after the company announced it had sold 10 million PS5 consoles."
"It took Sony years to stop losing money on PS3 sales, but the company stopped selling the PS4 at a loss around six months after its debut in 2013."

 

[arvfab]

No, they shouldn't.

 

[Orbital2060]

(Console, PC, Cloud) Day 1

I dont think Sony has any choice but to try and get to this point too. Or risk being overrun by competitors, not just Xbox. People focus too much on the relation between those two imo. Its not just a PC issue, its how they run their entire backend like its still 1999. They are working on their mobile efforts and should have something going on there within a few years going by their 3-5 years timeline on that.

But I think its inevitable, and even Japanese developers seem to be latching on to PC and Cloud more and more. The alliance between Xbox and SEGA seems entirely based around a Cloud delivery of their future games. And PC, I think. I just noticed how they focussed on Cloud based development in their recent "alliance" announcement.

 

[lastmessiah]

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit

"Sony’s $499 PlayStation 5 console is no longer selling at a loss. Bloomberg reports that Sony chief financial officer Hiroki Totoki shared the news just a week after the company announced it had sold 10 million PS5 consoles."
"It took Sony years to stop losing money on PS3 sales, but the company stopped selling the PS4 at a loss around six months after its debut in 2013."

But even just breaking even is not that attractive to companies unless they are also getting those game sales. Sony does have the sales but clearly something is prompting them to port games to PC and it has to be $$$$.

 

[SlimySnake]

Looks at Xbox Series being best selling consoles in Xbox history, years after going day and date on PC. Cheap ass bastards are going to console, smug rich bastards are going to go PC; where the games are doesn't matter.

Literally half of those are the cheap 4 tflops consoles that the hardcore wouldn’t touch.

Xbox Consoles typically sell 30 million no matter what. That’s their hardcore audience. This time that hardcore audience has bought only 6 million consoles so far. It should continue to go up until they hit that 30 million wall for hardcore gamers. It is too early to tell if the xss strategy will continue to pay off when the shortage ends.

The ps5 needs those hardcore gamers. They spend 2.5x more on games than late adopters. They need them in their eco system. Of course short term profits are all the rage nowadays and they are willing to throw away their entire business model to sell 1 million more copies of their exclusives so i definitely see them going day one releases.

 

[kingfey]

My honest opinion of their day1 games is NO.
I understand their games are great, and people enjoy them. But I dont like 70$ in the pc market. Fuck that price. I dont want that shit in our community. Keep that 70$ on consoles. Dont bring them here.

We welcome you, if you do it 60$ though. I wont mind it. But 70$ is where I draw my line. That price sets chain reaction to other 3rd party games on pc. We have enough from 60$ games, with shit mtx.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I have been telling people for about 2 years this was the eventual end goal as there is just too much money to ignore in the PC space of people who will never buy consoles in the first place.

Oh and poor Bryank75

 

[TheDreadLord]

Why would Sony do this?
If they release the PC version day 1, there will be people, possibly a significant amount, who would've bought it for the PS5, buying it on PC instead. A PC sale is worse than a PS5 sale for Sony, because they don't get all the revenue.
If they release the PC version later, then all the PC only people who would buy it are still going to buy it (plus double dippers) so what money is being left on the table?

The problem with this logic is to assume that every single Sony 1st party is a million seller…. Which isn’t the case. These games should be day one on PC to maximize the revenue. From an economical perspective is does not make sense to postpone revenue by 2 years.

 

[assurdum]

Sony is definitely not making any money producing and selling PS5s. I doubt they even made much on PS4 hardware. It’s expensive to produce and sell hardware at a loss.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Literally half of those are the cheap 4 tflops consoles that the hardcore wouldn’t touch.

Xbox Consoles typically sell 30 million no matter what. That’s their hardcore audience. This time that hardcore audience has bought only 6 million consoles so far. It should continue to go up until they hit that 30 million wall for hardcore gamers. It is too early to tell if the xss strategy will continue to pay off when the shortage ends.

The ps5 needs those hardcore gamers. They spend 2.5x more on games than late adopters. They need them in their eco system. Of course short term profits are all the rage nowadays and they are willing to throw away their entire business model to sell 1 million more copies of their exclusives so i definitely see them going day one releases.

That's a lot of assumptions right there. Hardcore in my mind is just players that spend a lot of time in this hobby and probably spend a little more than average by default as a result of that. I don't necessarily see a connection there with the power of the box they play on. That's one of the particular reasons Nintendo is as profitable by % as they are, they have plenty of "hardcore" users buying a lot of software and they haven't played the power game in years. Plus, if the "hardcore" would always transition to the most powerful console available you wouldn't have had millions of users buying base PS4s and X1Ss after the mid-gens released. Not everyone cares about resolution, even if they game a lot.

 

[SlimySnake]

That's a lot of assumptions right there. Hardcore in my mind is just players that spend a lot of time in this hobby and probably spend a little more than average by default as a result of that. I don't necessarily see a connection there with the power of the box they play on. That's one of the particular reasons Nintendo is as profitable by % as they are, they have plenty of "hardcore" users buying a lot of software and they haven't played the power game in years. Plus, if the "hardcore" would always transition to the most powerful console available you wouldn't have had millions of users buying base PS4s and X1Ss after the mid-gens released. Not everyone cares about resolution, even if they game a lot.

They are not assumptions. Sony themselves showed numbers that pointed out how hardcore or early adopters spent $1,700 vs $700 for all other users.

Andrew house the ex PS CEO who made the Pro said he made it because his data suggested that the hardcore leave the ps eco system for PC by mid gen and he didn’t want to lose them. The people who buy the non pro consoles after their release are definitely not hardcore. They are casuals who wait for $199 Black Friday sales and never spend full price on any game. And they are definitely not the pc gamers Sony is trying to court.

Nintendo is successful because they are still exclusive. If their games were available on PC they would not be able to sell their weak hardware to the hardcore. Besides, Nintendo is basically a handheld developer now. They have merged the two businesses and their handheld business was always more popular. The switch should not be thought of in the vein of other Nintendo consoles like the n64, GC and wii u, which topped out at 20-30 million. It is the continuation of their massively popular handheld line.

 

[kingfey]

Literally half of those are the cheap 4 tflops consoles that the hardcore wouldn’t touch.

Xbox Consoles typically sell 30 million no matter what. That’s their hardcore audience. This time that hardcore audience has bought only 6 million consoles so far. It should continue to go up until they hit that 30 million wall for hardcore gamers. It is too early to tell if the xss strategy will continue to pay off when the shortage ends.

The ps5 needs those hardcore gamers. They spend 2.5x more on games than late adopters. They need them in their eco system. Of course short term profits are all the rage nowadays and they are willing to throw away their entire business model to sell 1 million more copies of their exclusives so i definitely see them going day one releases.

That 4tflop makes up the majority of xbox console owners.

Hardcore cant comptete with casuals. We like to believe hardcore gamers buy everything, but in reality its the casual who spend the most, and buy niche games, which hardcore gamers dont care.

Fifa casuals spend more than regular hardcore. Fortnite users pay 120$ guaranteed on yearly monthly pass. Gta online users spend alot of money on shark cards.

The myth that hardcore gamers bring alot of money to console owners, is just false. There is a reason, why Sony doesnt charge money on f2p games. These games bring alot of money to them.

Also, hardcore gamers buy certain games. They are stingy as fuck. No way, they can contribute anything to console sales. Hell, they look down on normal games.

This what casual do.

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Call of Duty: Warzone reportedly makes $5.2 million in revenue per day

CoD is a money-printing machine.

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FIFA is the biggest football game on the planet and is one of the most popular video games of any genre on all consoles as well as on PC.

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Tell me, do you think, hardcore users can make that much money for gaming industry? Casuals buy other console parts too. That is not hardcore market.