rofif
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sure but 4k downscaled to 1440p looks better than 1440p.
Anyway - Even 360 upported 1680x1050... so I dont see what's up with ps
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VRR coming to PS5 via firmware update in Spring 2022
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Anyway - Even 360 upported 1680x1050... so I dont see what's up with ps
Riky
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On the whole only play exclusives on my PS5. Its what it's there for. Why am I going to fuck around with multiplatform games on it when I have 2 perfectly capable PC's?
I'd like you to come up with a list of games that would benefit from VRR on the system. Firstly that list is smaller than you think and secondly a lot of the time it's some shit-tier mode where you're greatly having to sacrifice resolution and general picture quality for over 60fps.
I'm talking from experience. I don't know how much clearer I can be on this:
VRR using a capable monitor (which is what most PC gamers will be doing) = good - however you will still want to tweak settings to keep your minimum framerates above a certain level, you don't want to get near the lower ends of the VRR range, ideally just keep the minimums above 60fps and everything is good. I have an LG ultra wide where the VRR range is 40-75hz.
VRR on TV's (which is what most console gamers will be using) - mediocre at best. On OLED panels you are sacrificing IQ, my Q70r only has a VRR range of 48-60hz at 4k (best to lock it to 60fps, don't want to hear anyone bullshitting me about unlocked 48-60fps being better - it's not). The 1440p range on that TV is much better but again it's miles from OLED picture quality. Basically to get a "smooth" VRR experience on TV's you often need some shit-tier LCD panel (from a PQ point of view). AskRiky what TV he's running and you'll see what I mean.
Incidentally I also have a 48 inch LG C1 on the way. That will be replacing the Q70r (which will be going on a sim rig). I'll let you know how the VRR fairs but I'm not holding my breath having done some research. That feature is not what I'm buying the panel for anyway.
You're arguing against something that's optional, don't like it then turn it off, simple.
People who want it get to enjoy its benefits, I don't see why this bothers you.
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kyliethicc
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VRR we know is coming.
1440p system output? Doubt it.
I could see them adding to the UI, like a few different colored versions of the current UI theme to pick from. PS4 default theme has a few color variants to pick from.
intbal
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Yes, but not every single game renders at a full native 4K. For those that don't (on playstation consoles), currently the machine has to scale up to 4k, then the monitor will scale back down to 1440p*. Better for the console itself to take whatever the game's final render resolution is and downscale that straight to 1440p for the monitor. Eliminates a scaling step and increases image quality.
*Clarification: This is what happens if you're using a PS5 on a 1440p monitor that has a downscaling feature. Obviously it's best to stick with a native 4k panel for PS5.
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8BiTw0LF
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Yea, but in the coming weeks? Maybe Sony wanted to release it in december "as planned" but had to postpone it. Who knows. Let's see if we get an update before february.
kyliethicc
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The next PS5 system software update will be between January and June. There'll probably be a beta before it goes out final. I'd guess the final version will be out around April.
Fredrik
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I actually haven’t used VRR, thought it was what gsync/freesync is on PC. If it’s not then I don’t know what to believe. 48fps is definitely on the lower range on where you want to be though, I think most who want VRR want it for games doing more than 60fps but basically never 120fps. Optimizing to go from 60 to 120fps is a big effort, if they can get around 100 fps and smooth it out with VRR it would be awesome.I'm talking from experience. I don't know how much clearer I can be on this:
VRR using a capable monitor (which is what most PC gamers will be doing) = good - however you will still want to tweak settings to keep your minimum framerates above a certain level, you don't want to get near the lower ends of the VRR range, ideally just keep the minimums above 60fps and everything is good.
VRR on TV's (which is what most console gamers will be using) - mediocre at best. On OLED panels you are sacrificing IQ, my Q70r only has a VRR range of 48-60hz at 4k (best to lock it to 60fps, don't want to hear anyone bullshitting me about unlocked 48-60fps being better - it's not). The 1440p range on that TV is much better but again it's miles from OLED picture quality. Basically to get a "smooth" VRR experience on TV's you often need some shit-tier LCD panel (from a PQ point of view). Ask
Incidentally I also have a 48 inch LG C1 on the way. That will be replacing the Q70r (which will be going on a sim rig). I'll let you know how the VRR fairs but I'm not holding my breath having done some research. That feature is not what I'm buying the panel for anyway.
Umbasaborne
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What is he pointing at?
GHG
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I'm not arguing against it, I'm saying it's not the second coming of christ. You should know that first hand (considering the TV you're using where you're sacrificing everything to tick a box that says VRR) but yet you make it out to be some magical feature that has no equal. Couldn't be further from the truth, especially for living room use where TV's are concerned. If it worked perfectly then I'd have nothing negative to say about it, but it doesn't, it comes with caveats and it ends up being somewhat of a "pick your poison" kind of situation. If you wanted proper VRR then firstly you wouldn't have waited until 2020 to get on board and secondly you'd be doing so on the platform that does it justice due to the freedom on offer.
Anyway, time will not be kind to your rampant VRR love affair since people will be able to see for themselves, as always.
Salty Pickle
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What would this forum be like if Sony enabled VRR on PS5 for Sony TVs only..
Riky
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I'm not arguing against it, I'm saying it's not the second coming of christ. You should know that first hand (considering the TV you're using where you're sacrificing everything to tick a box that says VRR) but yet you make it out to be some magical feature that has no equal. Couldn't be further from the truth, especially for living room use where TV's are concerned. If it worked perfectly then I'd have nothing negative to say about it, but it doesn't, it comes with caveats and it ends up being somewhat of a "pick your poison" kind of situation. If you wanted proper VRR then firstly you wouldn't have waited until 2020 to get on board and secondly you'd be doing so on the platform that does it justice due to the freedom on offer.
Anyway, time will not be kind to your rampant VRR love affair since people will be able to see for themselves, as always.
My PC is attached to the same TV, so your point is null and void, as usual.
You seem obsessed with what TV I use, strange you care so much but I've been through this argument with trolls before, firstly it's attached to a PC and what that entails for the edges, secondly that PC plays a huge amount of strategy games with static images, like over 2000 hours of EU IV. Thirdly it's in a room with glass sides and ceiling with the light implications of that. So no it was chosen very specifically for a situation, it's also never used for anything else but for gaming and PC work so TV and film PQ is unimportant to me, it's not my main TV.
Stop being so bitter and let people make their own choices based on their needs, which believe it or not are not always the same as yours.
Plus that's not actually the model number of my TV anyway.
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GHG
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Freesync/gsync is just AMD/Nvidia's respective branding for VRR.
The Q70r does VRR up to 120hz @ 1440p where it's far more useful but often I'll just settle on a custom resolution between 1440p and 4k then run it at a locked 60fps. Dependant on the game improved IQ can improve the overall experience more than running it unlocked somewhere between 60fps and 120fps @ 1440p.
There's no uniform standard for VRR on TV's so dependant on how old your panel is (and the quality of it if bought more recently) some will be able to do 4k 120hz VRR whereas others will be stuck at 1440p/1080p if you want to enable VRR.
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Riky
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Please... You did not earn that tag of yours without console warring, son.
#Fact
Says the other half of the Series S troll duo
GHG
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It's an identical panel, the only difference is the stand.
You do you, but like I said you're sacrificing a lot for VRR with that TV. Also you absolutely should care about the PQ on a TV, what are you doing with it other than looking at it? In the context of your obsession with VRR, your panel choice is absolutely worthy of discussion since it gives everyone some context around what exactly it is you're bragging about.
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GHG
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Yeh the 2.1 bandwidth opened things up a lot so it allows for 4k VRR up to 120hz (along with HDR and uncompressed multi-channel audio passthrough).
If you're looking to get a new TV now you'd be unwise to get something that doesn't feature HDMI 2.1.
ethomaz
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It won't be native 1440p either.
The dev will choose a render resolution for it game and from that the PS5 will downscale or upscale to match the monitor resolution.
Very few games are really 4k actually.
For exemple... if the 1440p options is added.
Returnal will be upscaled to 1440p just like it is upscalled to 4k.
DRS games will upscale/downscale to 1440p based in the actual resolution.
4k games will indeed downscale to 1440p.
Riky
$MSFT
The bragging is in your tiny mind, I've pointed out its benefits and so have others here in this thread, you don't like it then don't use it, simple.
Sony obviously must think differently since they are introducing it.
I've just explained why I purchased the TV I did, for very specific reasons after a lot of research, and it does 4k 120hz with VRR, the picture looks fine to me, in fact two people who have seen it have then purchased the same TV without hesitation.
So it does exactly what I want it to do in the situation it's in, nice and smooth 120hz output.
cragarmi
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All he is saying is there is a trade off, you have decided the trade off is worth it, others may not. It really is that simple
Riky
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SenjutsuSage
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I would imagine that's what happens when one next gen console supports a next gen feature since launch that the other failed to support. It was often cited as a clear advantage over the other platform because it was for gamers with supported displays.
It's far from the last of Xbox Series X related advantages people will be hearing mentioned as we get further into the generation.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Also expecting poor Riky being @'ed a lot less.
dcmk7
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It seems that literally no one can have any sort of discussion/debate with you, without you resorting to weak insults and put downs.
You just seem to show up to troll. If that's how you get your rocks off then fair play, don't get it personally.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not a lot of games show it, but Phantom Pain was one example of a game where the PS4 Pro versions 1440p upscaled to 2160p displays with some visible artifacts in foliage etc.
Running a game with its native resolution on a native resolution display will always provide the best picture, I believe.
Riky
$MSFT
It seems that literally no way can have any sort of discussion/debate with you, without you resorting to weak insults and put downs.
You just seem to show up to troll. If that's how you get your rocks off then fair play, don't get it personally.
Says the person who has spammed the same Jason Ronald picture into numerous threads, actually I was tagged into this thread by the real trolls, I've been told it's a little campaign you've got going between you, not falling for it though, it's time to use the ignore function unfortunately.
Fredrik
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Yeah it’s your TV, chosen for your usage and budget. That’s the only thing that matters.
Up til just recently I was 100% sure I was going to get an LG OLED since that’s what everybody recommended. Then I learned that the old TV I already have was twice as bright, did motion handling better and had less problems with 24p movies, essentially was better for HDR content too.
So now I’m in the situation where I’m simply stuck waiting for better panel types to arrive that can correct the problems the super popular OLED TVs apparently have that fans somehow forgot to mention while hyping them up like crazy.
Researching what you need is the only way you can make a good decision and end up satisfied with your purchase.
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly the situation was the most important thing with light in the room, PC use etc and I wanted 4k 120hz with VRR. Money isn't an issue I owned a business for 25 years and I'm basically semi retired now, plus like I've said it's just for gaming in the back room it's not my Living Room TV.
I'll pick up an LG Oled for my main TV when all the standards have settled down.
dcmk7
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Fancy being a grown man and having people on ignore, then keep posting about them and how you have them on ignore
Contradicting yourself again? Come on man
All ears for this bud, let's expose the conspiracy. Let's hope it's a better source than the fabricated ones you've used in the past.
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MasterCornholio
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twilo99
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Portugeezer
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Great, now developers can use VRR as excuse for unstable framerate. Just use VRR bro. You all have VRR TV's right?
Such a dumb conspiracy theory.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Many things on GAF are.
Not a single developer makes games accounting for the less than 10% of their userbase that might have a VRR feature. For those that do, it's just an optional bonus that improves their experience somewhat. No different than playing games with or without HDR.
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kingfey
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MarkMe2525
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I feel like this is a terrible way to frame this technology. If and when VRR saturates the market, it will allow devs to push visual features without the worry of having an inconsistent frame rate. It will embolden the devs to not hold back and could in theory lead to better looking games. How is that bad?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's not bad, some people just choose weird hills to die on.
PC gamers have been benefiting from variable refresh rate for a few years now, about time it became mainstay in consoles too.
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Oddvintagechap
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Finally VRR will stop being mentioned soon.
Rea
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Bad for PC Hardcore gamers, Yes. But for casual gamers who only plays on PS5, and cares about image quality, No.
Sony 2021 Tvs support 4k120Hz out of the box. They only missing VRR. And who cares about 120hz Dolby vision in gaming , most developers can't even get the HDR10 right, in their games.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think there's been an official communique from Sony on this so far.
VRR is coming out THIS month on PS5 and 2021 TVs.
2022 TVs will hqve VRR in spring when they launch.
How do I know this? Because on Sony's perfect for PlayStation page it says an update to their TVs and PS5 for their version of ALLM and HGIG is due before the end of January.
Now we all should know by now that when Sony added ALLM for the x900h and X85J TV, they quitely added VRR for those TVs in that same update.
It's not rocket science people
2022 TVs will hqve VRR in spring when they launch.
How do I know this? Because on Sony's perfect for PlayStation page it says an update to their TVs and PS5 for their version of ALLM and HGIG is due before the end of January.
Now we all should know by now that when Sony added ALLM for the x900h and X85J TV, they quitely added VRR for those TVs in that same update.
It's not rocket science people
The PS5 has NOT received an update for for ALLM yet.
VRR will arrive along side it and that update comes out this month according to Sony perfect for playstation page
ManaByte
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My PS5 recognized it as soon as my TV updated.
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Bernd Lauert
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LordOfChaos
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Seriously hope that's true. I have my PS5 right by a 1440p ultrawide high refresh rate monitor and it's a bit sad that it can't use any of those features. It's almost a good experience already, even running stretched, but getting 1440p output at least would be a nice upgrade.
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