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Guardian runs poll on 'person of the year', JK Rowling wins so poll closed

cormack12

Gold Member
Source: https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies...f-the-year-award-poll-and-its-quickly-closed/

You needn’t live on the internet to know that J.K. Rowling hasn’t exactly been doing her public image any favors over the last couple of years. The Harry Potter author, once universally loved for gifting bookworms the wonderful Wizarding World, has repeatedly come under fire for comments accused by many of being deeply transphobic, a hill Rowling seems intent to die on instead of providing an apology for any offense caused and moving well along.

There are, of course, many who still support the writer, a seemingly large group that’s recently been provided what’s undoubtedly an accidental outlet from an unlikely source to show that support. U.K. publication The Guardian recently ran an open poll for readers to register their ‘Person of the Year’ which, it turns out, threw the gates wide open for Rowling to come out on top.









 
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BadBurger

Is 'That Pure Potato'
Silly of them. I still fail to find what is so controversial about the things Rowling has said or written. It has all been tame "trans people are fine, but let's not forget biological women are different" kinds of things. Like don't let some 180 pound, 6' tall dude run wildshot over a bunch of 90 pound 5' 5" women in sports.
 

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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Why do they want to accept mental illness?

Groupthink.

Call it a religion, a cult, a movement, a school of thought... whatever. If you subscribe to the idea of a collectivist society, then you obey the rules of that society without question, and give no time nor thought to the words of dissenters. You are the in-group, they are the out-group. You are superior, they are inferior.

Its a status game.

Essentially its about securing a place within the "elite". So if the "elite" says that an apple is the same as an orange... that's the reality.

So in this specific case, when faced with mass sentiment that contradicts their worldview, they have to pretend it never happened, or that it was the result of a deliberate attack by some other entity.
 

ParaSeoul

Member
Silly of them. I still fail to find what is so controversial about the things Rowling has said or written. It has all been tame "trans people are fine, but let's not forget biological women are different" kinds of things. Like don't let some 180 pound, 6' tall dude run wildshot over a bunch of 90 pound 5' 5" women in sports.
She was pandering a lot to the woke crowd before by making weird statements like random characters being gay or changing the races of characters,just because shes now against the whole trans thing doesn't make her worth supporting.
Not to say this entire situation isn't hilarious because it is.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Groupthink.

Call it a religion, a cult, a movement, a school of thought... whatever. If you subscribe to the idea of a collectivist society, then you obey the rules of that society without question, and give no time nor thought to the words of dissenters. You are the in-group, they are the out-group. You are superior, they are inferior.

Its a status game.

Essentially its about securing a place within the "elite". So if the "elite" says that an apple is the same as an orange... that's the reality.

So in this specific case, when faced with mass sentiment that contradicts their worldview, they have to pretend it never happened, or that it was the result of a deliberate attack by some other entity.
To me, it's groupthink, but all these people and companies doing it (and companies are run by people) are doing it it for the simple reason.

They are total losers. Not so much about trying to be elite because even the dumbest person knows being a crackpot doesn't make you elite. It just seems so since many of these kinds of people work at liberal kinds of jobs like media. Or their life has become Twitter focused. So they get the benefit of airing out articles and opinion pieces on an hourly basis, while the other 99% of people have a non-media job and dont/cant do this to the same effect.

Low self esteem, emotional, the thinnest skin that even a grade two knock knock joke somehow goes over their head, and deep down they know it. So best way to feel good is to band together with other losers with weird hair, nose studs, and whose family members all think they are odd when the gang gets together for holiday dinners. No doubt, other family members (esp. mom and dad) scold them for being weirdos.

That's why when you see, hear or check out some loud Twitter profile, it's always skewed to a sketchy profile where it looks like the person is an outcast or probably on drugs to boot. You hardly ever see this stuff coming from people who are straight laced or business professionals from a Linkedin kind of person.

That's why so many of them seem to skew to social media where they can be free to say or tweet what they want. Do this in home life or at a normal job and they'll be kicked to the curb, which is what they probably already get but none of us see it.

People should take media less serious. Just because some freelancer got paid $60 to write a half page article on something means nothing. That's like calling my buddy who ran a game site after dinner for probably 10 years (after slogging away at a day job), and calling him a gaming journalist. I wouldnt even call him a blogger.

But some people have a view that: "Some dude has info posted publicly = he must be some bonafide writer". When in reality, it was just a bunch of random gaming shit he'd upload whenever he had time and felt like it.
 
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Tams

Member
I do like The Guardian (especially their ownership model), but damn are they often embarrassing. I refuse to read anything from the opinions section other than a few commentators that I have come to trust to not be idiots.

They love to blow things out of proportion. I listen to their 'Today in Focus' podcast that is usually fine, but there are also often terrible episodes that I just have to skip. When they go dumpster fire, they go dumpster fire hard.

So I'm glad this poll result has sent them into a tizzy. JK Rowling is a perfectly fine person and has given us some great literature (hardly the most eloquent and sophisticated, but often we don't want that). Her opinions on mentally ill people who think they are a different sex and then try to spread that nonsense are spot on.
 

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To me, it's groupthink, but all these people and companies doing it (and companies are run by people) are doing it it for the simple reason.

They are total losers. Not so much about trying to be elite because even the dumbest person knows being a crackpot doesn't make you elite. It just seems so since many of these kinds of people work at liberal kinds of jobs like media. Or their life has become Twitter focused. So they get the benefit of airing out articles and opinion pieces on an hourly basis, while the other 99% of people have a non-media job and dont/cant do this to the same effect.

Low self esteem, emotional, the thinnest skin that even a grade two knock knock joke somehow goes over their head, and deep down they know it. So best way to feel good is to band together with other losers with weird hair, nose studs, and whose family members all think they are odd when the gang gets together for holiday dinners. No doubt, other family members (esp. mom and dad) scold them for being weirdos.

That's why when you see, hear or check out some loud Twitter profile, it's always skewed to a sketchy profile where it looks like the person is an outcast or probably on drugs to boot. You hardly ever see this stuff coming from people who are straight laced or business professionals from a Linkedin kind of person.

That's why so many of them seem to skew to social media where they can be free to say or tweet what they want. Do this in home life or at a normal job and they'll be kicked to the curb, which is what they probably already get but none of us see it.

People should take media less serious. Just because some freelancer got paid $60 to write a half page article on something means nothing. That's like calling my buddy who ran a game site after dinner for probably 10 years (after slogging away at a day job), and calling him a gaming journalist. I wouldnt even call him a blogger.

But some people have a view that: "Some dude has info posted publicly = he must be some bonafide writer". When in reality, it was just a bunch of random gaming shit he'd upload whenever he had time and felt like it.

While I agree entirely with your sentiment, I hate to admit it but the reason why this stupidity has gained so much traction is because what we'd consider "winners" in a social sense are going along with it. Its how its managed to infiltrate and capture so many institutions.

The scary part is that as this has taken hold, "wokism" has become a pathway to success in the same way as adopting a certain accent, manner of dress ("old school tie"), past membership of clubs or social institutions etc. Creates a kind of inside track. Meaning that observing its customs becomes beneficial whether you as an individual actually believe in it or not.

In the end its all about "showing you belong", a need reinforced by the aggressive way the group will turn upon and expel anyone within its own ranks should they fall out of lockstep. An outcome that's a real source of anxiety for most people, because to undergo that entails a catastrophic loss of status within their peer group.

In my view "Wokism" works like this:

First of all it presents an unambiguous moral "good" to hook people into thinking that an adherence to their cause is equally morally good. This is of course a fallacy, because people have been doing bad things for purportedly "good" reasons since time immemorial, but its still appealing in a superficial way especially if the inductee has a pre-existing sympathy for the cause being championed.

Part of the trick of course is that in a lot of instances this pre-attachment comes from a (likely subconscious) place of guilt or anxiety. Wanting to be "good" is pleasing to the ego, failing to be "good" is destructive to that self-image. No one is perfect, everyone has done or said things at one time or other that they regretted, so by harping on that they are working on an emotional need for acceptance as a morally upright individual - already reinforced by past experience.
This why you often see the most outspoken and fervent adherents having the most skeletons in their closet, they've already learned the "sting" of doing the wrong thing.

The next step is the most insidious part; the weaponization of guilt, individually and collectively. The same feelings described above are turned outwards and the ego is left unchecked. Hence, you are either "on the right side of history" (an incredibly egotistical presumption) or a "deplorable". An entirely emotional judgement based in past experience where they received peer-group praise for reciting the dogma, and censure for doing/saying the wrong thing in the past.

Status up versus status down in simple terms, and "doing the work" involves inflicting this mindset on everyone else.

This is why none of it actually makes sense. They prate about empathy but seek to destroy witches and heretics. They preach tolerance and compassion but are utterly intolerant of dissent and offer no redemptive path for the fallen. Scratch the surface and at all levels of application Its just about status and ego.

Basically as a mechanism its powerful because it preys upon all our worst instincts as humans. Tribalism, anxiety about social status, and an almost superstitious fear of the "other". The last thing because they need an implacable enemy to overcome, they need a great Satan that can never be truly defeated only suppressed through piety and vigilance. That's how the train keeps rolling.
 
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carlosrox

Banned
Has she *actually* said truly shitty things about Trans people or has it been stuff that your average person with a brain realizes is probably true?

Like, transphobia and trans hate do actually exist, but simply saying that Trans women and biological women (for example) are different and that these people probably suffer from mental illness shouldn't be something anyone is offended by. I do not mean this in a judgemental way. Tons of people suffer from varying forms of mental illness; it's a matter of fact, not offense. There is nothing bigoted or mean spirited about saying this. The people that have a problem with it are the ones hating on mental illness and acting like it's something to be super ashamed of when in fact many people deal with it and they should accept it. I could make the argument it's a spectrum actually and everyone has their problems and mental illnesses. Are these people mental illness-phobic?

Is it really so controversial to consider gender dysphoria a mental illness?
 
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RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
While I agree entirely with your sentiment, I hate to admit it but the reason why this stupidity has gained so much traction is because what we'd consider "winners" in a social sense are going along with it. Its how its managed to infiltrate and capture so many institutions.

The scary part is that as this has taken hold, "wokism" has become a pathway to success in the same way as adopting a certain accent, manner of dress ("old school tie"), past membership of clubs or social institutions etc. Creates a kind of inside track. Meaning that observing its customs becomes beneficial whether you as an individual actually believe in it or not.

In the end its all about "showing you belong", a need reinforced by the aggressive way the group will turn upon and expel anyone within its own ranks should they fall out of lockstep. An outcome that's a real source of anxiety for most people, because to undergo that entails a catastrophic loss of status within their peer group.

In my view "Wokism" works like this:

First of all it presents an unambiguous moral "good" to hook people into thinking that an adherence to their cause is equally morally good. This is of course a fallacy, because people have been doing bad things for purportedly "good" reasons since time immemorial, but its still appealing in a superficial way especially if the inductee has a pre-existing sympathy for the cause being championed.

Part of the trick of course is that in a lot of instances this pre-attachment comes from a (likely subconscious) place of guilt or anxiety. Wanting to be "good" is pleasing to the ego, failing to be "good" is destructive to that self-image. No one is perfect, everyone has done or said things at one time or other that they regretted, so by harping on that they are working on an emotional need for acceptance as a morally upright individual - already reinforced by past experience.
This why you often see the most outspoken and fervent adherents having the most skeletons in their closet, they've already learned the "sting" of doing the wrong thing.

The next step is the most insidious part; the weaponization of guilt, individually and collectively. The same feelings described above are turned outwards and the ego is left unchecked. Hence, you are either "on the right side of history" (an incredibly egotistical presumption) or a "deplorable". An entirely emotional judgement based in past experience where they received peer-group praise for reciting the dogma, and censure for doing/saying the wrong thing in the past.

Status up versus status down in simple terms, and "doing the work" involves inflicting this mindset on everyone else.

This is why none of it actually makes sense. They prate about empathy but seek to destroy witches and heretics. They preach tolerance and compassion but are utterly intolerant of dissent and offer no redemptive path for the fallen. Scratch the surface and at all levels of application Its just about status and ego.

Basically as a mechanism its powerful because it preys upon all our worst instincts as humans. Tribalism, anxiety about social status, and an almost superstitious fear of the "other". The last thing because they need an implacable enemy to overcome, they need a great Satan that can never be truly defeated only suppressed through piety and vigilance. That's how the train keeps rolling.
But this only applies to those that live their lives "online" or have jobs in the digital sphere, the rest of us... I.e. the overwhelmingly vast majority couldn't give two fucks, we all see women and trans women as two completely seperate and distinct entities ones biological and the other is a bloke in a dress as harsh as that might sound but then again as I said the vast majority don't give a fuck what some purple haired fucks on twatter think cause it's not something we interact with or care about, I have a huge social circle through work, friends etc and know and am close friends with both gays and lesbians and know precisely zero trans people and whilst this is obviously anecdotal I dare say it applies to everyone else within my social circle yet it is the number 1 thing I constantly hear about or read about when I go online, beforehand trans people wouldn't even register on my radar, sure I would treat them as I would any other human being with kindness and respect and have a had a few chats with them over a beer in a gay club but this whole "trans activism and gender identity" bollocks in my mind has done a shit ton more damage than any actual transphobe could ever hope to have done, they dug their own pit, jumped into it and are now yelling at everyone whilst digging it deeper the stupid fucks
 
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p_xavier

Authorized Fister
But this only applies to those that live their lives "online" or have jobs in the digital sphere, the rest of us... I.e. the overwhelmingly vast majority couldn't give two fucks, we all see women and trans women as two completely seperate and distinct entities ones biological and the other is a bloke in a dress as harsh as that might sound but then again as I said the vast majority don't give a fuck what some purple haired fucks on twatter think cause it's not something we interact with or care about, I have a huge social circle through work, friends etc and know and am close friends with both gays and lesbians and know precisely zero trans people and whilst this is obviously anecdotal I dare say it applies to everyone else within my social circle yet it is the number 1 thing I constantly hear about or read about when I go online, beforehand trans people wouldn't even register on my radar, sure I would treat them as I would any other human being with kindness and respect and have a had a few chats with them over a beer in a gay club but this whole "trans activism and gender identity" bollocks in my mind has done a shit ton more damage than any actual transphobe could ever hope to have done, they dug their own pit, jumped into it and are now yelling at everyone whilst digging it deeper the stupid fucks
I would say the same about racism. BLM movement and black supremacists along with white woke saviors have indeed destroyed decades of positive relationships. Racial entitlement is now a thing and I've seen rise in casual racism from people I would have never expected.

The pronouns thing must be the stupidest thing ever. How mentally ill you need to be to want to be called "them". Thank god I work with French people, that bs didn't work.
 
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I would say the same about racism. BLM movement and black supremastists along with white woke saviors have indeed destroyed decades of positive relationships. Racial entitlement is now a thing and I've seen rise in casual racism from people I would have never expected.

Interesting enough I've seen some black ppl getting banned on twitch for saying stuff like cracker or w/e. I personally would never get offended by that shit. Things will balance themselves out and America will prolly just reset itself. Even on twitter I'm starting to see a less woke trend than before.
 

Coolwhhip

Neophyte
Interesting enough I've seen some black ppl getting banned on twitch for saying stuff like cracker or w/e. I personally would never get offended by that shit. Things will balance themselves out and America will prolly just reset itself. Even on twitter I'm starting to see a less woke trend than before.

It might be like the rise of the Nazis, it happened right before our eyes and it was too late when it got out of hand. Same might happen with the woke church.

I guess the big difference is that the Nazis had real men and the woke movement mainly male feminists with no balls.
 
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
But this only applies to those that live their lives "online" or have jobs in the digital sphere, the rest of us... I.e. the overwhelmingly vast majority couldn't give two fucks, we all see women and trans women as two completely seperate and distinct entities ones biological and the other is a bloke in a dress as harsh as that might sound but then again as I said the vast majority don't give a fuck what some purple haired fucks on twatter think cause it's not something we interact with or care about, I have a huge social circle through work, friends etc and know and am close friends with both gays and lesbians and know precisely zero trans people and whilst this is obviously anecdotal I dare say it applies to everyone else within my social circle yet it is the number 1 thing I constantly hear about or read about when I go online, beforehand trans people wouldn't even register on my radar, sure I would treat them as I would any other human being with kindness and respect and have a had a few chats with them over a beer in a gay club but this whole "trans activism and gender identity" bollocks in my mind has done a shit ton more damage than any actual transphobe could ever hope to have done, they dug their own pit, jumped into it and are now yelling at everyone whilst digging it deeper the stupid fucks

I used to think that way but when I've seen both the British PM and the leader of the opposition stumble and demur when asked their thoughts on whether "Woman is defined as an adult human female", you know something is seriously fucked at the very top of our society.

No doubt they know full well the factual answer, but the fact that its impolitic to speak the truth *EVEN AT THEIR LEVEL OF POWER* just shows the degree of influence wielded by the trans-lobbyists and their allies both in the public and institutional spheres.
 
I guess the big difference is that the Nazis had real men and the woke movement mainly male feminists with no balls.

Adults are safe but the kids, sadly are not, both physically and mentally as there are more and more cases of child abuse from woke pedophiles,parents brainwashing kids into god knows what shit or forced sex changes, social media idiocricy(tik tok shit), etc.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Not surprised the Guardian pulled the poll considering the subject. It's such a heated topic and actually fell out with my sister over this.

I found out yesterday that she hates JK Rowling because of JK's views on gender. Her hatred is so strong that she even threw out her old HP books and will prevent her kids ever reading them and watching the films.

I told her she was being pathetic, so she kicked me out of her house, text me to say I'm a bigot and then blocked my number.
 
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