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[Fahdis]

No cloud will ever be 1 to 1 with hardware. Shut the fuck up with that bs. YOu ppl would defend turd eating if it came to that. Cloud has benefits but saying its exactly as if you're playing on a dedicated hardware is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. And this is coming from someone who was subbed to Geforce Now and I aint no dialup net peasant. I have a gigabit internet speed. I just couldnt stand the input differences among others.

Why don't you shut the fuck up yourself and try it instead of raging out like a goddamned toddler that you're being right now. Buy a fucking Shield TV on the tier that I mentioned. Also post your results here with your "Gigabit Internet". Most of you clowns that are laggards talk a lot of shit but can't back it up. Most people fear what they don't understand or see changing.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Who hurt you? How are you manipulating a thread about cloud gaming being good into console wars?

Manipulating a thread? Hardly. Calling a spade a spade? Yes.

This is just another console warrior shill thread from a known console warrior.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I think the problem is that as a neat little add-on/secondary way some people paly games... cloud gaming isn't going to be worth it for the companies involved.

They are all funding what are surely huge loss leaders at this point because they hope to corner some new market, or new way to sell games to 100s of millions of people.

The tech is really cool.. I've honestly been impressed with it since I played Arkham Asylum on OnLive what seems like a lifetime ago.. it's the business behind it that has some serious question marks. And all of the big players have indicated they are after the market of mobile gamers out there largely giving money to Apple.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

I work in IT and most of my day is sitting at my desk infront of a laptop doing nothing...I bring my controller to work, boot up hades and play....when I get home I play games like dark souls...its a supplement to gaming not the main course if you a hardcore gamer...love it.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Manipulating a thread? Hardly. Calling a spade a spade? Yes.

This is just another console warrior shill thread from a known console warrior.

Are you ok? Literally went back and read the OP 3 times... There is no mention or reference to another console

 

[Dr. Claus]

Are you ok? Literally went back and read the OP 3 times... There is no mention or reference to another console

Are you? Dude has a long history of console warring and shilling Xbox in most threads to the point he has been banned a number of times for it.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Are you? Dude has a long history of console warring and shilling Xbox in most threads to the point he has been banned a number of times for it.

Leave out the console war whining and just point out what's BS about the OP.. because I agree with you that the shpeel about just "being able to play all my games anywhere on any device" is a pretty gross exaggeration but you sounding so butthurt kinda has your point lost.

 

[Chukhopops]

Are you? Dude has a long history of console warring and shilling Xbox in most threads to the point he has been banned a number of times for it.

This is pathetic, should you also be banned from posting anything because you have been banned for console warring before? I mean in your case yes but generally speaking?

Literally every brand has a cloud gaming option by the way, so I’m not sure how mentioning cloud gaming is warring.

On topic, Cloud Gaming is all about reducing your total latency time - for it to work you need great ping, high frame rate, good network setup ideally with Ethernet. This is what I have and it’s really fine with XCloud:

 

[Hinedorf]

Sooner or later cloud gaming will be the ONLY option. I'm currently opposed to it but have completely accepted it's the reality of our future. If you think otherwise then just look at what the current material shortage is doing to graphics cards and PS5 consoles. It's 100% inevitable despite what you want.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Sooner or later cloud gaming will be the ONLY option. I'm currently opposed to it but have completely accepted it's the reality of our future. If you think otherwise then just look at what the current material shortage is doing to graphics cards and PS5 consoles. It's 100% inevitable despite what you want.

What exactly do you think runs a cloud gaming datacenter?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Cloud gaming is amazing, at least on xcloud (haven’t tried any others because they’re not available here in Australia). I use xcloud to play new game pass games without having to download them, especially single player games where adding a hundred milliseconds of lag isn’t a problem. Really helps me to get an achievement a day for Xbox rewards haha.

I play halo MCC online over xcloud and have no problem getting mvp. I have good internet (by Australian standards) so that no doubt helps - I’m on a 100/40 plan with fibre to the premise and I get 110 down / 45 up on that, and I get about 12-20ms ping in most online games. I don’t think switching to the gigabit plan would make any difference since what I have is significantly more than enough.

Cloud gaming isn’t “the future”, it’s just part of it. It still needs hardware, and most importantly it needs server farms all over the world, which only very few companies have, MS being one of them. Amazon, google, and MS are the only ones that can do it really.

Dedicated gaming consoles aren’t going away - if anything they’re becoming even more entrenched. Look at the Switch’s success. Pretty much the most popular console of all time at this point. Look at the PS5 and XSX selling out instantly of every unit they make. Like MS have repeatedly said, cloud gaming is another option. I’ve got a series X yet I still use cloud streaming in my house because of the convenience.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Are you? Dude has a long history of console warring and shilling Xbox in most threads to the point he has been banned a number of times for it.

So your reply was direct towards the poster not the subject and you don't like positive posts about Xbox.


Sounds like you might need a breather and possibly took something too series.

 

[Haggard]

Sooner or later cloud gaming will be the ONLY option. I'm currently opposed to it but have completely accepted it's the reality of our future. If you think otherwise then just look at what the current material shortage is doing to graphics cards and PS5 consoles. It's 100% inevitable despite what you want.

And Datacenters run on love and imagination which is free for everyone
Nonsense argument.

 

[Fat Frog]

Unfortunately, the mainstream pubic is willing to sacrifice everything else in sake of convenience.

Even if i love digital and cloud, i can tell you digital and physical won't disappear:

- There are millions of old school gamers preferring physical.

- Even casual cloud gamers like me will continue to buy physical games. For Xmas, i need to buy kids physical games, i need to see joy in their eyes... i cannot do that by sending a crappy code.

Of course, digital, cloud will be eventually the mainstream but don't immediately think it will be apocalypse. 15 years ago (PS360 era) i remember all those gamers stating video games were dead and will become horrible with the PS4. (most of them were finally more statisfied with the PS4...)

Gamers will find a way to be sometimes listened. (some were announcing a subscription only nightmare, they were wrong: GFN has a free tier, Stadia allows game purchase and the demand is pushing Microsoft to do the same with Xcloud)


Game preservation ? I agree with you but let's ask big tech how they will preserve games and let's pressure them if the answer is insulting...


Ownership ?
Yeah that's cool to keep physical copies but it's not real ownership either (there are always terms,copyrights or any sort of limitations). It's not that immortal either, bad quality CD don't age very well and don't forget to note which friend borrowed your game, because when you forget, it's gone...ownership or not . No such problem with the Steam family share for instance:

"What if Steam shut down ? blabla"
Ok, we can always find risks with digital but i eventually lost more physical games than digital. Sometimes they disappear from store but not from your library if you already bought them.

 

[Bragr]

I had the opposite reaction, Geforce Now, Stadia and XCloud made me give up on cloud gaming for a while.

 

[TheGodfather07]

the low qaulity image is what turns me off. even when you stream at 1080p, it doesnt look like it. The lag wasn't an issue with a wired connection.

 

[Fat Frog]

the low qaulity image is what turns me off. even when you stream at 1080p, it doesnt look like it. The lag wasn't an issue with a wired connection.

Yeah cloud gaming must improve that aspect, especially xcloud.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So your reply was direct towards the poster not the subject and you don't like positive posts about Xbox.

When did I say that?

Sounds like you might need a breather and possibly took something too series.

Sounds like you need better reading comprehension.

Leave out the console war whining and just point out what's BS about the OP.. because I agree with you that the shpeel about just "being able to play all my games anywhere on any device" is a pretty gross exaggeration but you sounding so butthurt kinda has your point lost.

Hardly butthurt, just don't buy the spiel from someone who clearly has an agenda. As for BS, I literally stated it in my first post in the thread. The "play anywhere on any device" literally doesn't work. The only time you can come close is if you live under *very* specific circumstances and in very specific regions.

This is pathetic, should you also be banned from posting anything because you have been banned for console warring before? I mean in your case yes but generally speaking?

Again, when did I ever state this? It doesn't take a brainac to see that there is a motive for this post and its entirely based on the user's history. It would be like a thread praising Assassin's Creed posted by an Ubisoft employee.

 

[Brofist]

If an ham and cheese sandwich is only 5% dog shit, is it a dog shit sandwich or an ham and cheese sandwich?

You can play games like Pathless, Sayonara, Inside, etc on your phone. Not to mention classics like Final Fantasy. You can also just turn it into an emu of PS1 and other consoles.

Oh please...dog shit? That's a stretch dude, it's obvious you have an agenda here. All mobile versions of anything available on console or PC, FF games included, are closer to dog shit in this equation in that case.

Also why is someone who wants to play regular console games on the go an "addict" but reaching for a mobile game is fine.

I don't even use cloud gaming but I just don't get takes like yours. They seem to only exist to crap on people. If you could do the same with your Sony games on the go it probably would be the best thing ever in your eyes.

 

[IntentionalPun]

If an ham and cheese sandwich is only 5% dog shit, is it a dog shit sandwich or an ham and cheese sandwich?

Bro….

Bro.

Bro!

 

[Malio]

It's a really cool, completely inferior and frequently almost unplayable, option.

 

[Markio128]

I have yet to witness anything amazing about streaming games. It’s the hyperbole that discredits these kind of threads. When streaming allows me to play any game with all the bells and whistles, then I’ll be amazed.

 

[YCoCg]

the low qaulity image is what turns me off. even when you stream at 1080p, it doesnt look like it. The lag wasn't an issue with a wired connection.

See this I agree with, streaming to the TV is obvious, that's why I just limit game streaming to my phone or my laptop, a 1080p60 stream isn't that bad when your screen size is only 16inches.

 

[kingfey]

As a person, who played cyberpunk2077 on a stadia, cloud gaming are like modern gaming pc.

You can ignore it as much as you want to. But once we have advancing internet, everyone will be playing cloud games.

2 generation ago, internet was a baby. Now, we can download 200gb like it's nothing. The future is advancing at a faster rate.

We didn't have VR headset. That was future thing. Now we have VR head set, with VR games. Modern games supports VR.

At this rate, consoles, or local hardware won't exist in the next two gen. You guys can moan all you want, but at the end of the day, human needs is what will win. And gamers want to play their games, anywhere they go.

 

[kingfey]

I have yet to witness anything amazing about streaming games. It’s the hyperbole that discredits these kind of threads. When streaming allows me to play any game with all the bells and whistles, then I’ll be amazed.

Try stadia.
I was playing cyberpunk2077 normal. It's felt like I was playing on my pc.

People who like to shit on it, haven't played any cloud games.

As for xcloud, it's still on beta, and needs some baking.

Stadia is the only true cloud gaming we have.

 

[MacReady13]

You can’t be hardcore if you tolerate the noticeable input lag and inconsistent image quality, while playing a fucking FPS.

I’ve given a fair shake to all these cloud services, including Xcloud, and they are impressive at first but the problems just start sticking out more and more.

Good solution for games that don’t require precision gameplay.

If you are an addict and need to play games on your lunch break or can’t handle a few days without gaming, I suggest playing some of the good games out there available for mobile.

Agreed. I go away on holiday and my switch comes with me. Perfect for near lag free gaming on the go.

 

[nkarafo]

Even if i love digital and cloud, i can tell you digital and physical won't disappear:

- There are millions of old school gamers preferring physical.

- Even casual cloud gamers like me will continue to buy physical games. For Xmas, i need to buy kids physical games, i need to see joy in their eyes... i cannot do that by sending a crappy code.

For now. But our generation will die off, you think future casual gamers will care?

Ownership ?
Yeah that's cool to keep physical copies but it's not real ownership either (there are always terms,copyrights or any sort of limitations). It's not that immortal either, bad quality CD don't age very well and don't forget to note which friend borrowed your game, because when you forget, it's gone...ownership or not . No such problem with the Steam family share for instance:

"What if Steam shut down ? blabla"
Ok, we can always find risks with digital but i eventually lost more physical games than digital. Sometimes they disappear from store but not from your library if you already bought them.

You can copy a CD game or dump it's files and back it up.

This is not about digital VS physical. It's about how much control you have over the game files. Right now it does not matter where these files are stored (I mean GOG games are also digital but there is no DRM so you can back them up as many times as you like). As long as you have access to them it should be fine, unless there is some very hard to crack DRM, or the files are incomplete and the game needs extra files stored online (like most online multiplayer games that need a server to function).

Also, this is not about you and your rotting CDs or the games you lost. Right now just about every game of every console from every generation has been dumped and backed up by the emulation/dumping scene. 99% of PC games in existence have been cracked. And even those that are not cracked, their files are backed up for future hackers to try and crack them. These game will never die, they are safe. So, it doesn't matter if your copy of Crash Bandicoot will rot, or if Sony tries to kill it and delete it from history, it will always be available in some way because it exists in thousands of hard drives around the world that share it over the internet, legally or not. It doesn't matter if you lost the games you lent. It's about the fact that you have all the means to not let that happen.

The reason all these games will never die is because their files were accessible. In a Cartridge, a CD, a floppy, or the installed content in a hard drive. But what if all these games were in a cloud service from the start? What if we never had access to them and it was like this from the beginning? Well, that scenario will most likely apply for future new games. Right now, you can play your favorite older game whether the publisher wants you or not. It doesn't matter if they remove it from the store or delete it from your library because reasons. But what about a future game that was never accessible to the public in order to back it up? It will be up to the publisher if you can play it or not. The same will apply for all new games. With no accessible files to backup, all the new software will be at the mercy of their publishers.

I don't trust them and neither should you.

 

[Fat Frog]

For now. But our generation will die off, you think future casual gamers will care?



You can copy a CD game or dump it's files and back it up.

This is not about digital VS physical. It's about how much control you have over the game files. Right now it does not matter where these files are stored (I mean GOG games are also digital but there is no DRM so you can back them up as many times as you like). As long as you have access to them it should be fine, unless there is some very hard to crack DRM, or the files are incomplete and the game needs extra files stored online (like most online multiplayer games that need a server to function).

Also, this is not about you and your rotting CDs or the games you lost. Right now just about every game of every console from every generation has been dumped and backed up by the emulation/dumping scene. 99% of PC games in existence have been cracked. And even those that are not cracked, their files are backed up for future hackers to try and crack them. These game will never die, they are safe. So, it doesn't matter if your copy of Crash Bandicoot will rot, or if Sony tries to kill it and delete it from history, it will always be available in some way because it exists in thousands of hard drives around the world that share it over the internet, legally or not. It doesn't matter if you lost the games you lent. It's about the fact that you have all the means to not let that happen.

The reason all these games will never die is because their files were accessible. In a Cartridge, a CD, a floppy, or the installed content in a hard drive. But what if all these games were in a cloud service from the start? What if we never had access to them and it was like this from the beginning? Well, that scenario will most likely apply for future new games. Right now, you can play your favorite older game whether the publisher wants you or not. It doesn't matter if they remove it from the store or delete it from your library because reasons. But what about a future game that was never accessible to the public in order to back it up? It will be up to the publisher if you can play it or not. The same will apply for all new games. With no accessible files to backup, all the new software will be at the mercy of their publishers.

I don't trust them and neither should you.

I'm aware of all of this : Rotting CDs was just an... example to show old school gamers that the old world isn't as amazing as it seems.


I already told my take on game preservation : We must pressure companies if their response for game preservation is wrong.

It will be hard but don't say it's impossible.
Gamers punished the xbox One years ago and pushed cloud services to allow game purchase aside subscription.(i know it's another subject)

We have a voice for game preservation... (Phil Spencer was concerned about this subject... i don't think he is the only one)

 

[nkarafo]

IMO, preservation should be on the hands of the community. I wouldn't trust publishers for anything at all.

 

[Fat Frog]

IMO, preservation should be on the hands of the community. I wouldn't trust publishers for anything at all.

I'm mixed about this.

Years ago i would have thought game preservation is dead (couldn't trust publishers).
Nonetheless, true video games fans are now working in the companies they loved as a kid. (look at Sega >> Aaron Webber, people from Sega west: they were Sega Fanboys before to work at sega).

I think it's the same for many companies...We, video games fans, have trojan horses within the publishers..

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm not a cloud gamer. I dont even do wifi gaming.

I'll assume being hooked up to an ethernet cord and having the full game installed on a piece of hardware is better visuals and lag, but if cloud gaming works close enough and fun, that's all that matters.

For all the naysayers, not every game needs ultra textures and millisecond timing and lag. It's really no different than gaming on a budget laptop vs. mid range PC vs. a 3080 uber rig. Or last gen consoles vs PS5/Series X

Believe it or not, you can still have fun gaming on weaker hardware.

 

[MOTM]

OP "finally" sees the value because MS started doing it. You can do that with remote play or PS Now for years + GeForce and Stadia.

You never see any threads about it tho. How strange.

Maybe OP finally starting using it in MS’s ecosystem since he doesn’t Game on PC and doesn’t own a PlayStation since 2 years ago?

Why are you insecure somebody is enjoying it outside of your favourite little box?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

These MS ads on NeoGAF are getting really elaborate. You should put a couple grammar mistakes in the post, OP. Otherwise it feels too sterile.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I always get lag/stuttering with streaming. I hope it's not the future, I like having my own hardware.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Maybe OP finally starting using it in MS’s ecosystem since he doesn’t Game on PC and doesn’t own a PlayStation since 2 years ago?

Why are you insecure somebody is enjoying it outside of your favourite little box?

Everyone can see what you are doing. A console warrior suddenly "sees" the glory of streaming that is heavily pushed by his favorite plastic box/company he simps for.

 

[BlackTron]

Cloud is really not bad for flexibility and convenience. I would never want it as my only way to game, but it does allow you to try out games quickly before committing to an install, or have the convenience to pick up a game you were playing at your desk somewhere else without a hitch.

There are also many types of games that aren't exactly twitch shooters that just aren't that bad over the cloud. It's still laughable as a total replacement for local hardware but it does add some value and convenience to the overall package.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Maybe OP finally starting using it in MS’s ecosystem since he doesn’t Game on PC and doesn’t own a PlayStation since 2 years ago?

Why are you insecure somebody is enjoying it outside of your favourite little box?

I'll blow your mind. We can stream or download games on PS Now since 2018 (the same way you can only do it with GP games on Xbox). For games that you own you can remote play (since the Vita). I'm playing Far Cry 6 on my phone right now.

The same feature people here are now calling "the most next-gen feature" because of the xCloud beta, has been widely available since last gen on PS4 with zero hype on GAF.

It's all very suspect and we know why these posts keep popping up suddenly (all from the same group too).

 

[MOTM]

I'll blow your mind. We can stream or download games on PS Now since 2018 (the same way you can only do it with GP games on Xbox). For games that you own you can remote play (since the Vita). I'm playing Far Cry 6 on my phone right now.

The same feature people here are now calling "the most next-gen feature" because of the xCloud beta, has been widely available since last gen on PS4 with zero hype on GAF.

It's all very suspect and we know why these posts keep popping up suddenly (all from the same group too).

Yes I just got my pay check from MS but please

Also I’m very happy for the 4 people who use cloud gaming on PS Now.

Thanks to the industry offering more and more options I guess more and more people are properly being introduced to it now.

 

[Agent X]

I'll blow your mind. We can stream or download games on PS Now since 2018 (the same way you can only do it with GP games on Xbox). For games that you own you can remote play (since the Vita). I'm playing Far Cry 6 on my phone right now.

I've never been a big fan of streaming games to a mobile phone, but at certain times it can be an extremely handy feature.

I was hospitalized recently, but had my phone on hand, so I was able to chip away at a few PS4 games. I didn't have a physical controller with me, so I had to settle for touch screen controls, but hey, I was happy to at least have the ability to play PS4 games in any capacity. This would have been virtually unimaginable just a few years earlier.

 

[V4skunk]

Cloud gaming will never replace gaming on a dedicated system.
It has its uses though like when travelling.

 

[YCoCg]

No one is claiming they want it to replace real hardware though, I don't know where this threat comes from. It's just cloud gaming has become a handy feature for people due to the ecosystem improvements. The fact that I can grind away on the boring stuff in games via cloud gaming to my laptop in work in a blessing in disguise so I can then go home, sync to console and enjoy all the good stuff at home.

Even the consoles don't want it, if you stream a game on Xbox for more than, I think it's, 15 minutes, you'll get a pop up saying "If you're enjoying this game, why not download it for a better experience?".

 

[MrFunSocks]

Even the consoles don't want it, if you stream a game on Xbox for more than, I think it's, 15 minutes, you'll get a pop up saying "If you're enjoying this game, why not download it for a better experience?".

I've never seen this and I've used it on my launch Xbox One for more than 15 minutes.

Microsoft would absolutely love to have people using cloud streaming exclusively as it means they're subscribed to game pass ultimate.

 

[YCoCg]

I've never seen this and I've used it on my launch Xbox One for more than 15 minutes.

Maybe that's a Series feature? It's appeard on multiple games I try out on gamepass by streaming first and then it asks if I'd like to download it if I'm enjoying it.

 

[THE DUCK]

I played Halo 4 and 5 via the cloud and honestly it was kinda trash. Input lag makes the controls sluggish, and visually it's like playing a youtube video but worse.

It's servicable at best.

I think this echos the experience of a lot of people, and it will likely continue to improve. For me, trying it on the actual xbox showed a version that was much more playable with less latency than the browser version. If they can get all versions to that level, it will have much more value. It was getting very close to playing local.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I think this echos the experience of a lot of people, and it will likely continue to improve. For me, trying it on the actual xbox showed a version that was much more playable with less latency than the browser version. If they can get all versions to that level, it will have much more value. It was getting very close to playing local.

It's been amazing for me on my phone, tablet, xbox one, xbox pc app, and browser. No difference in quality whatsoever. Doesn't really make sense for there to be.

 

[Bogroll]

From my experience it depends on what game and what device, last night for 3 hours I played Gunk on laptop flawless except for 5 seconds. I don't have great internet 2 0-30 download. max 5 upload. on my ph o n e via same wifi its rubish.
Excuse spacebar stuck from coffeespill.

 

[THE DUCK]

It's been amazing for me on my phone, tablet, xbox one, xbox pc app, and browser. No difference in quality whatsoever. Doesn't really make sense for there to be.

I think you will find this isn't the case for most people. All kinds of reasons for there to be different latency, different code on each device, different connectionon each device (wifi strength or ethernet), different hardware.

 

[Fat Frog]

Cloud gaming will never replace gaming on a dedicated system.
It has its uses though like when travelling.

It depends...

Do you realize million of women find game consoles too massive in the living room and back then bought unplayable motion games with horrible IQ, fugly graphics...(Wii)

Do you really think all casual players will find cloud gaming unplayable when they play crappy touch mobile games ? Input what ?

With a good connection, Smart cloud gaming TVs will convince a load of casual gamers to not spend 500 bucks for a Series X.

Even mediocre internet will more or less be enough for many people.


Nope, cloud will not replace console for many of us which is great (Xbx,PS, Switch have a great value)
Nonetheless, LG TVs can already play 1500 GFN and Stadia games... Don't tell me a console is mandatory for everyone. There is already a lot to enjoy with both cloud services (Witcher 3, RDR2,Resident Evil, Judgment,Valhalla, KOF,FF, DQ...)

 

[Dr.Morris79]

How can there be any value in something you'll never own?

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

I played Red Dead Redemption 2 at work on my phone during my lunch break. My save carried over and it performed great. It's not how I want to play all of my games, but for the few times I really want to and aren't near my console, it is a sensational experience.