assurdum
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So no more platform barriers but with his conditions make him absolutely coherent with himself?
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Ori Dev Criticizes Microsoft For Creating “Artificial Barriers”
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I'm guessing there is an asterisk some people are seeing that the Ori dev isn't when it comes to Microsoft's vision. What Microsoft meant is clearly debatable judging by the different reactions in this thread.
Still, why would he call out Sony and Nintendo in this context? Whether right or wrong, he is claiming Microsoft isn't following through with their vision. Unless I'm mistaken, Sony and Nintendo never made statements similar to Microsoft's. His problem is that he is perceiving Microsoft as not practicing what they preach.
Halo is Back
Member
I don't trust any corporate head at face value but the results speak for themselves. Xbox is building a more accessible ecosystem for more gamers to jump in the Xbox brand and now Sony is following suit by releasing thier games on PC too. This is easily the most accessible time gaming has ever been to all gamers, especially now with the rise of cross-play.
Kacho
Member
This makes no sense
assurdum
Banned
They are nice PR words but I'm not sure what have to do with the contradictions of Phil "vision".
kyoji
Member
Its in the news cycle this is a forum, get out of your feelings, you could have posted it if u wanted to, did u? I would have figured
Ghost of Caelid
would post it but alas nothing so why not me?Lmao!!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Well, yes. I mentioned this earlier. Microsoft NEEDS their walled garden. A lot of their revenue is tied to $500 console sales, $60 a year XBL subs, 30% cut on microtransactions and ALL digital sales, and of course gamepass. If they go third party, yes, they lose all of that. Which is precisely why they wont ever go third party, but then why are they constantly talking about removing barriers and shit, and wanting to put Gamepass on Nintendo and Playstation. It's like dude it's never going to happen, lets move on.
If they want to be Sony then they are on the right track. Make exclusives. Make goty contenders. Make great fucking consoles. They have done all that and more. So why bring up Bungie and say they wouldve kept them today? Like really? You would let Bungie take ALL the profit, keep the IP ownership, and sell their game on all platforms while you bankroll them for hundreds of millions of dollars developing and then marketing the game on ALL platforms? Of course not. MS wont gain anything from that relationship. They would definitely not keep them if Bungie wanted to go independent today. It makes ZERO financial sense.
THAT is what this guy is criticizing. Phil just says things to say them. No one, not sony nor MS or Nintendo would ever sign a deal where they let a developer keep the IP and the profits AND make a multiplatform game with simultaneous release like Destiny. Sony either forces timed exclusivity like Deathloop and Godfall, or they force IP ownership like Returnal and Demon Souls when signing contracts with devs. There is a reason why Bungie signed a deal with a chinese company instead of Sony and Microsoft.
Concern
Member
His post history doesn't make sense. Yet he'll drop 200 posts in an Xbox thread. Sometimes I wonder if he's purposely not making any sense lol.
Fredrik
Member
He got to release his games on Xbox, PC and Switch. He should be thankful he got that far, not salty he missed one platform. How many devs with 1st party funding has gone further?
Anyhow, I like his games. I’m salty I won’t get another Ori though. It’ll be interesting to see if he can generate the same hype with a multiplat. It’s a whole other market, now he’s truly competing with the best of the best and get no hype for free.
Anyhow, I like his games. I’m salty I won’t get another Ori though. It’ll be interesting to see if he can generate the same hype with a multiplat. It’s a whole other market, now he’s truly competing with the best of the best and get no hype for free.
assurdum
Banned
Say no more platform barriers but just when it's convenient for him, not make the Spencer contradictions excusable.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
All this goes back to his comments on whether or not he wouldve kept Bungie today. This guy who just signed a third party publishing deal because MS wouldnt let him own his own IP or release his game on multiple platforms is calling Phil out on those comments.
Thats clearly nonsense because if Bethesda and Todd Howard wanted to go independent tomorrow because they wanted Starfield to be on every platform and keep all those hundreds of millions of dollars in profits then would MS allow it? Of course not. Will Sony let Neil Druckmann and ND release TLOU2 on all platforms and lose out on what $240 million the game made in the first three days? After they spent 3 years and countless millions funding the game? Of course not.
DaGwaphics
Member
Regarding Bungie, are we sure that statement wasn't more about MS being better at giving their studios more freedom today than in the past?
Obviously if you sell your company you don't get all the spoils, goes without saying. But MS seems to be doing a better job of keeping the principal figures happy at the the different studios now.
Kacho
Member
Doesn’t surprise me. Not going to waste my time then.
NonPhixion
Member
Phil was on stage with Don Mattrick in 2013. Peddling what MS/Xbox were trying to sell to fans. Fan backlash, Phil gets to save face and take over Don’s job. He’s is now all about telling you what he thinks you want to hear while inviting you into his walled ms/Xbox garden. He’s the same as every other industry executive. Don’t be fooled.
MaulerX
Member
So he complains about MS even though their exclusive arrangement allowed them to release their game on Xbox, PC, Switch and also be played by anyone with a damn phone via XCloud.
God I would hate to have seen what he would've said if he had an exclusive arrangement with either Sony or Nintendo.
God I would hate to have seen what he would've said if he had an exclusive arrangement with either Sony or Nintendo.
assurdum
Banned
The hell is that shit. Talk about the argument not about the quantity of my posts. WTF it has to do with the matter of the thread? I'm talking about Spencer who contradict himself when we talk about this matter and the developer pointed out nothing of new. The religious admiration who some of you have toward Phil opinion it's almost pathological.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Phil was just head of first party back then. I am sure he had some say in the matter, but the buck stops with Don.
After Phil took over, he removed kinect as a requirement and freed up 10% of the GPU Don had engineers reserved for Kinect voice commands for the OS. He also had his engineers increase both CPU and GPU clocks by 10% to increase performance. He then removed the always online requirement and then kinect altogether from xbox SKUs. Maybe he did it to save face, or maybe he did it due to fan backlash but the point is that he did. He then released the powerful x1x and bought like 20 new studios. Then again with the XSX being the most powerful. Did he do it to appease the fans? Who cares. the point is that he is different from Don.
I agree that hes the same as Jimbo, and all those other execs who say all the right things, but he's delivered in spades recently.
kyoji
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when
Concern
and other known apostles enter a thread sword and shield as if they are being personally attacked and clearly not having read ANYTHING. Or have yet to actually add any perspective or something useful to the conversation based on the actual article/era post other than fabricating moon studio head as being disgruntled, lol....
Imagine saying people are warring when you yourself have been banned multiple times. You really cant make this shit up.
Concern
and other known apostles enter a thread sword and shield as if they are being personally attacked and clearly not having read ANYTHING. Or have yet to actually add any perspective or something useful to the conversation based on the actual article/era post other than fabricating moon studio head as being disgruntled, lol.... Imagine saying people are warring when you yourself have been banned multiple times. You really cant make this shit up.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is the full excerpt from the Axios interview.
Microsoft’s head of gaming understands why Bungie, arguably the most acclaimed game studio in Xbox history, left the tech giant to go independent many years ago, but he thinks his company might have been able to retain them today.
Driving the news: Some fascinating what-if scenarios about Bungie and Xbox are top of mind going into next week, thanks to some major releases.
- On Tuesday, Bungie will celebrate its 30th anniversary in its hit game Destiny 2, while on Wednesday Xbox will release the newest game from the franchise Bungie created but no longer develops: Halo.
- Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000 and launched its first console, the Xbox, alongside Bungie’s hit Halo: Combat Evolved in 2001.
- Bungie created several more Halo games before going independent in 2007 and creating the Destiny shooter series for Xbox, PlayStation, and eventually PC and Stadia.
- Asked if the split was inevitable or if Microsoft could have held on to them, he added: “Could we do it today? I think we could.”
- But he said he understands why they left. “At the time they had big ambitions. They had sold their business for a certain amount of money. They saw what Halo turned into. And it's like, ‘OK, Microsoft benefited more than Bungie did from the success of Halo.’ There's no other story that can be written there.”
- He mused, “If you're saying, ‘Hey, I think I've got another one of those in me. I want to really take another chance,’ I can understand the allure of doing that as an independent company.”
Darlingcognito
Member
One rule for Xbox, a different rule for the other two.
Concern
Member
when
Imagine saying people are warring when you yourself have been banned multiple times. You really cant make this shit up.
You mean not the fanboy perspective you wanted to hear. Ok "critical thinker" lol. The irony
kyoji
Member
People likeYou mean not the fanboy perspective you wanted to hear. Ok "critical thinker" lol. The irony
Punished Miku
and others have actually contributed, you still havent. You probably wont make it till next years end anyway on this forum the way you're going. It also seems my comment offended you, my apologies but if the shoe fits wear it. If it werent true it shouldnt offend you or bother you enough to acknowledge it, But then again you've displayed on several different occasions that you cant even read, so im not entirely suprised.
Concern
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People like
Still trying to bait lol. Clearly all you're going for. Hence why you've tried to make personal attacks rather than post about your console war thread. Good day lol
DaGwaphics
Member
I read the article. I'm just not sure if he's saying they would have let them put software on PS. Would they allow them to work on something other than Halo, probably. It was well known back then that Bungie was unhappy with MS's management (at least the magazines were reporting that).
Another one of those cases where it is open to interpretation.
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Wulfer
Member
So, maybe Moon should complain with Sony and Nintendo?
bentanchorbolt
Banned
It doesn’t need to be solved. Not every problem needs to be championed and fixed. MS doesn’t make games for the PlayStation. Thems the breaks.
Wulfer
Member
Not that MS should do this but, is this grounds for legal action? He's making negative PR statements about the NDA deal he signed with MS. Also, I agreed he knew what he signed and why he signed it to create Ori and make a name for it. MS did that with Xbox, PC and Nintnedo now he's not happy? Hears a hint go develop a game on your own and promote it. Then maybe you can bellyache about these things.
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Warablo
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I'm still not sure what the OP wanted out of this other than bait. In a perfect world you could play a game on any device with anyone, but that's not how the world works. I see nothing wrong with Phil saying you can play their games on variety of platforms, which other platform holders don't do.
Kacho
Member
Oh no doubt. Like I said before, he’s using this interview as a springboard to air out his grievances about the Ori deal yet again. It’s 100% sour grapes.
Phil was simply answering a hypothetical question about how the Bungie deal would have played out today. And this dude thinks his small potatoes studio deserves the same amount of consideration and attention as fucking Bungie for some reason.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That’s a really long winded way to say MS likely won’t have big AAA PS5 releases.
RafterXL
Member
Of the three console makers, Microsoft is far more open to other platforms that anyone else, so him calling them out is kinda hilarious. He's just mad he couldn't take in PS4 money with Ori. I don't blame him for wanting that but it makes ZERO sense for Microsoft to put its library on a Sony machine.
And he's wrong about it not costing them hardware customers. The day all Microsoft exclusives released day and date on a Playstation system is the day millions of people would stop buy anything other than a Playstation. It would be catastrophic for Xbox hardware.
And he's wrong about it not costing them hardware customers. The day all Microsoft exclusives released day and date on a Playstation system is the day millions of people would stop buy anything other than a Playstation. It would be catastrophic for Xbox hardware.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
They try to make games accessible to everyone whether you use console, PC or mobile. They never said they will bring games to other platforms. They still occasionally release stuffs on Switch.
remember_spinal
Banned
Would microsoft allow PS store front or E Shop on xbox consoles?
Kacho
Member
Game Pass isn’t a store front, it’s a service.
Ezquimacore
Banned
What a fkn crybaby. Hate this generation of hipsters.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I wish DF makes a comparison video of his face while signing exclusivity deal with Microsoft and now, after gaining success mostly because of that deal, throwing shades at them. I bet he would sign another contract if the deal was good enough.
I hate exclusivity btw.
I hate exclusivity btw.
He needed funding to actually make his game this the agreement with Xbox. Who launched his game on Xbox, PC, Switch and mobile.
Game was a success and now he’s sad that MS made his dreams come true
bht the problem is Phil he said he’s not putting it on other consoles. It’s not a constant thing. He’s obviously saying you aren’t tied to a physical box to play their games.
FranXico
Member
This guy just sounds like he regrets signing an exclusivity deal.
Sony would have placed similar terms, but maybe have told him less bullshit to trick him into thinking they were "more open".
For a long time, everyone saw through Phil's kumbaya bullshit already. If this dev chose to believe it, that's on him, I'm afraid.
Sony would have placed similar terms, but maybe have told him less bullshit to trick him into thinking they were "more open".
For a long time, everyone saw through Phil's kumbaya bullshit already. If this dev chose to believe it, that's on him, I'm afraid.
KaiserBecks
Member
This, so much. He‘s just setting up a new fanbase. MS was good enough to help Ori through development hell and put their name on the map, now they want more. Good luck.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I goddamn love the Ori series but geez, talk about biting the hand that fed you.
Exclusives help sell platforms that these companies invested heaps in. Thomas only has to worry about his studio and his game (which MS help support), while MS has far more skin in the game.
MS deserves huge kudos for Gamepass and play anywhere and streaming initiatives, and Thomas’s criticism is far too simplistic, naïve and self-serving under the guise of advocating for the consumer.
Exclusives help sell platforms that these companies invested heaps in. Thomas only has to worry about his studio and his game (which MS help support), while MS has far more skin in the game.
MS deserves huge kudos for Gamepass and play anywhere and streaming initiatives, and Thomas’s criticism is far too simplistic, naïve and self-serving under the guise of advocating for the consumer.
RafterXL
Member
They are more open. Sony would have never released Ori on PC and Switch. It would had been a PS4 exclusive.
Hahaha
I love how Microsoft is double standardised in the industry.
Sony and Nintendo does not need release their games on other platforms, but Microsoft absolutely has to. Because reasons.
He is crying, that Ori was not played by every possible player, but I'm sure that if his game was developed with Sony, Ori games would not even be on Switch and maybe not on PC.
It's same situation as Zenimax. If Sony bought Zenimax, nobody would even question if every Bethesda game would by PlayStation exclusive. But because Microsoft bought them we had half a year of speculation if Microsoft will let other platform holders to have Bethesda games in future.
He is talking about utopia. State of industry when every game is available on every platform. But what's the point of multiple platforms then? If Microsoft will release all their games on PS5, what would be a point of buying Xbox?
And most funny thing is that Xbox has probably best ecosystem in terms of accessibility. They have most powerful and most affordable consoles on market, they are releasing all their games day one on PC and also have extensive streaming options.
I love how Microsoft is double standardised in the industry.
Sony and Nintendo does not need release their games on other platforms, but Microsoft absolutely has to. Because reasons.
He is crying, that Ori was not played by every possible player, but I'm sure that if his game was developed with Sony, Ori games would not even be on Switch and maybe not on PC.
It's same situation as Zenimax. If Sony bought Zenimax, nobody would even question if every Bethesda game would by PlayStation exclusive. But because Microsoft bought them we had half a year of speculation if Microsoft will let other platform holders to have Bethesda games in future.
He is talking about utopia. State of industry when every game is available on every platform. But what's the point of multiple platforms then? If Microsoft will release all their games on PS5, what would be a point of buying Xbox?
And most funny thing is that Xbox has probably best ecosystem in terms of accessibility. They have most powerful and most affordable consoles on market, they are releasing all their games day one on PC and also have extensive streaming options.
FranXico
Member
Sony would have been OK with PC at the very least. Countless indies have released on PC and PS4 simultaneously.
Plenty of indie games released on PS4 and Switch and PC, but not Xbox. I assure you those didn't even sign exclusivity with Sony.
People should really stop the "oh Sony locks devs down to PS4/5" strawman.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
He didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, mans straight up snorted it.
BIG Oof.
BIG Oof.
remember_spinal
Banned
Which contains games on it, on top of the 3rd party games already offered on the native store fronts. Why would any platform holder that makes a brunt of their revenue from 3rd party games want gamepass on their platform?
Whats in it for nintendo or sony a percentage less than the ones they already get from 3rd party publishers? Phil is full of shit and you phil fans just continue to spread the shit everywhere
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cireza
Member
The nerve of this guy.
Microsoft and Spencer basically funded their first game, while they were completely new in the developer space. And gave it a ton of exposition, during E3 and all. MS even allowed for the game to be released on Switch. And the guy somehow manages to shit on MS and Spencer ? Wow... How unthankful can he be ? I wonder. Worse than a spoiled kid.
If he wanted to release his game on all platforms, there were third party publishers out there.
Microsoft and Spencer basically funded their first game, while they were completely new in the developer space. And gave it a ton of exposition, during E3 and all. MS even allowed for the game to be released on Switch. And the guy somehow manages to shit on MS and Spencer ? Wow... How unthankful can he be ? I wonder. Worse than a spoiled kid.
If he wanted to release his game on all platforms, there were third party publishers out there.
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