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[Marty-McFly]

I'm just going to leave you with a couple tidbits. This game is hard af, it punishes you like a Souls game, it has the best controls of any 2D game I've ever played, and it's probably the best game on Switch.

I don't expect it to get BOTW scores only because reviewers are too soft for this level of gaming, and there is a lot of angst directed towards this game for some reason, but it's an absolute masterpiece and will one day be remembered as one of the best games ever.

Samus Returns is dogmeat in comparison.

Sounds like hyperbole but holy shit, HOLY SHIT.

 

[Saint Boot]

That makes me really nervous then. I don't handle the stress that comes from soulsborne "punishing yet rewarding" style difficulty very well at all.

 

[Marty-McFly]

That makes me really nervous then. I don't handle the stress that comes from soulsborne "punishing yet rewarding" style difficulty very well at all.

So far I've died more than every Metroid game I've played combined. Not for the faint of heart.

 

[Astral Dog]

Sounds intriguing... I didn't expect the game to be THAT hard but Metroid games aren't known to be easy either. Anyways if its fair challenge reviewers shouldn't have any problem with it they all love FROM and other hard games.

But is there a difficulty option?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Hmm tasty

 

[Marty-McFly]

Sounds intriguing... I didn't expect the game to be THAT hard but Metroid games aren't known to be easy either. Anyways if its fair challenge reviewers shouldn't have any problem with it they all love FROM and other hard games.

But is there a difficulty option?

I don't want to give anything away but there are things you can unlock and holy mother of god.

 

[Robb]

Saw a few videos in the spoiler thread and I did get the impression that it’d be a lot more difficult than I was initially expecting.

Can’t wait to play it!

 

[SpiceRacz]

That actually sounds awesome. Metroidvanias have gone soft.

 

[TikiLagoonSam]

I’m hoping there is more natural environments and creatures rather then metallic robots and metal structures. More Super Metroid environments and less Other M environments.

 

[Marty-McFly]

Saw a few videos in the spoiler thread and I did get the impression that it’d be a lot more difficult than I was initially expecting.

Can’t wait to play it!

I never really died much in any of the previous games. I just got lost from time to time.

 

[Marty-McFly]

I’m hoping there is more natural environments and creatures rather then metallic robots and metal structures. More Super Metroid environments and less Other M environments.

There are of course.

 

[bender]

You are probably just bad at games.

 

[Marty-McFly]

You are probably just bad at games.

That too.

 

[Spukc]

You are probably just bad at games.

It is a lot fucking harder then the other games .

But once you get the pattern down. You can best bosses pretty easy with no damage yourself.

I can see a lot of people bitching about difficulty.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I'm just going to leave you with a couple tidbits. This game is hard af, it punishes you like a Souls game, it has the best controls of any 2D game I've ever played, and it's probably the best game on Switch.

I don't expect it to get BOTW scores only because reviewers are too soft for this level of gaming, and there is a lot of angst directed towards this game for some reason, but it's an absolute masterpiece and will one day be remembered as one of the best games ever.

Samus Returns is dogmeat in comparison.

Sounds like hyperbole but holy shit, HOLY SHIT.

Ive seen your other threads , and it’s no secret that’s your a big Nintendo fan.

I think I will wait for more reviews on this ….

 

[Spukc]

To the souls haters.. there is 0 backtracking.
You die at a boss you restart it basically instantly.

 

[Orta]

Super Metroid is my only experience of Mrs Aran and I found it a piece of piss. Is this one much harder?

I don't like frustrating games. Especially with a very throwable €300 Switch in my hands

 

[Spukc]

Super Metroid is my only experience of Mrs Aran and I found it a piece of piss. Is this one much harder?

I don't like frustrating games. Especially with a very throwable €300 Switch in my hands

Hard but fair
Never died because of pissy controls only because i was lacking skills

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

How is this like a Souls game again? Because you're finding it hard?
I'm a massive Metroid fan, and can't wait for this, but come on...because it's hard doesn't mean it's like Souls.

 

[Kimahri]

Can we PLEASE stop labelling everything with a bit of difficulty as soulsborne?

Games were hard before Demon's Souls, ok? They've been around since the dawn of video games. When I grew up you beat the game by dying, retrying, rince repeat. Games were hard. It's got fuck all to do with demon's souls or anything From ever did.

 

[Spukc]

Can we PLEASE stop labelling everything with a bit of difficulty as soulsborne?

Games were hard before Demon's Souls, ok? They've been around since the dawn of video games. When I grew up you beat the game by dying, retrying, rince repeat. Games were hard. It's got fuck all to do with demon's souls or anything From ever did.

It’s based on evading and countering a lot more then older games.

Souls gameplay is all based around countering dodging etc mechanics.. in this instance comparing it with souls games is not silly.. ever played blasphemous?

 

[Knightime_X]

I've seen people make easy games look hard as balls.
I'm going to withhold judgment until I play it myself.

 

[cireza]

Meh. This is definitely not I want to read about Metroid.

 

[jufonuk]

So far I've died more than every Metroid game I've played combined. Not for the faint of heart.

You mean I gotta get gud?
Can’t I just get lost and confused in peace and not have to be lost confused and constantly deaded?!?

 

[Cutty Flam]

Super Metroid is my only experience of Mrs Aran and I found it a piece of piss. Is this one much harder?

I don't like frustrating games. Especially with a very throwable €300 Switch in my hands

Super Metroid is frustrating at times due to the high level of difficulty but it’s also one of the greatest games ever made. Recently finished it and the level design is masterful. After playing and beating Super Metroid I feel like every Metroid game from here on out is probably going to be a must play

 

[ZywyPL]

Can we PLEASE stop labelling everything with a bit of difficulty as soulsborne?

Games were hard before Demon's Souls, ok? They've been around since the dawn of video games. When I grew up you beat the game by dying, retrying, rince repeat. Games were hard. It's got fuck all to do with demon's souls or anything From ever did.

If you think about it, games stopped being hard once save game stepped in, since then it's all just repeat until you proceed.

 

[Orta]

Super Metroid is frustrating at times due to the high level of difficulty

"Piece of piss" = easy

That's what I was getting at. Super Metroid was a doddle for me, but I loved it. Just wondering how this compared in terms of difficulty. I always play undocked and the small Switch screen can sometimes make a challenging game unforgiving.

 

[Marty-McFly]

It’s based on evading and countering a lot more then older games.

Souls gameplay is all based around countering dodging etc mechanics.. in this instance comparing it with souls games is not silly.. ever played blasphemous?

The gameplay is a lot tighter than Souls. I was complimenting Souls with this one, but the difficulty is there. Both games have their strengths.

 

[Kimahri]

It’s based on evading and countering a lot more then older games.

Souls gameplay is all based around countering dodging etc mechanics.. in this instance comparing it with souls games is not silly.. ever played blasphemous?

Are you suggesting these things weren't staples before souls?

If you think about it, games stopped being hard once save game stepped in, since then it's all just repeat until you proceed.

You're not wrong. I've been replaying some older SNES games lately, and man, it was a different time. Entire games with no save options, so all you could do was play through it all without turning off. Several games even send you back to zero if you died.

 

[Marty-McFly]

How is this like a Souls game again? Because you're finding it hard?
I'm a massive Metroid fan, and can't wait for this, but come on...because it's hard doesn't mean it's like Souls.

As stated the evading and countering feels soulsish on top of difficulty, also want to point out that Souls has been compared to Metroidvania's for years with its level structure.

 

[Cutty Flam]

"Piece of piss" = easy

That's what I was getting at. Super Metroid was a doddle for me, but I loved it. Just wondering how this compared in terms of difficulty. I always play undocked and the small Switch screen can sometimes make a challenging game unforgiving.

You must be a monster. I died so many times playing that game. It was tricky to learn many of the mechanics too. 10/10 game

 

[DonJorginho]

I personally can't wait for the Soulsbourne of Mario games.

 

[Marty-McFly]

I personally can't wait for the Soulsbourne of Mario games.

Champion's Road

 

[jufonuk]

Super Metroid is frustrating at times due to the high level of difficulty but it’s also one of the greatest games ever made. Recently finished it and the level design is masterful. After playing and beating Super Metroid I feel like every Metroid game from here on out is probably going to be a must play

play federation force and other M

tbh other m isn’t too bad apart from the baby baby baby and samus being a confused weak lady in love with her commander and not the bad ass stoic ripley she normally is.

 

[Thaedolus]

Well don’t I feel like an ass for ordering off Amazon. But my kid is super excited for the new Samus game, which is new level dad pride I’ve never experienced

 

[Spukc]

Are you suggesting these things weren't staples before souls?

Not as much as in souls games tbh.
The boss battles in dread are on a different level compared to the old ones. When you play you will understand.

 

[Marty-McFly]

Not as much as in souls games tbh.
The boss battles in dread are on a different level compared to the old ones. When you play you will understand.

Boss battles and combat are by far the best in the series.

 

[RoboFu]

So it’s like a old school game then…. Games were way harder in the 80s/90s

 

[GymWolf]

I'm gonna try the game when it's gonna be like 5-10 euros in europe.

There is nothing in the trailers that excite me except the fact that it is a metroidvania.

Hopefully the hard part is gonna be the combat and not the platforming since i suck at that.

 

[Sean Mirrsen]

There is nothing in the trailers that excite me except the fact that it is a metroidvania.

Can we stop for a moment to have a discussion of nomenclature? It's not a metroidvania. It's a metroid. Action-adventure with a focus on exploration and character progression focused on traversal and survival. "-Vania" is where the focus is split towards combat, in both overall design and character progression.

Spoiler: Explanationary tangent

There are hardly any progression elements (i.e. upgrades) in Metroid, that are solely for the purpose of combat. Everything adds to traversal or survival, letting you get into weird locations, overcome new kinds of barriers, and avoid damage from specific threats. The combat applications are secondary. It's the 'Castlevania' games where the exploration is directly mixed with combat, and progression, where it exists, acts to improve your fighting ability more often than it does to help you traverse the map.

From what we've seen of Dread, there's maybe one upgrade that is combat-only, and even that technically lets you overcome an area threat to make it safer to traverse. Everything else, bombs, ice beams, boosted full-body-tackle charges, multi-missiles, is used to solve puzzles and traverse the map, rather than just to fight things.

 

[Spukc]

Can we stop for a moment to have a discussion of nomenclature? It's not a metroidvania. It's a metroid. Action-adventure with a focus on exploration and character progression focused on traversal and survival. "-Vania" is where the focus is split towards combat, in both overall design and character progression.

Spoiler: Explanationary tangent

There are hardly any progression elements (i.e. upgrades) in Metroid, that are solely for the purpose of combat. Everything adds to traversal or survival, letting you get into weird locations, overcome new kinds of barriers, and avoid damage from specific threats. The combat applications are secondary. It's the 'Castlevania' games where the exploration is directly mixed with combat, and progression, where it exists, acts to improve your fighting ability more often than it does to help you traverse the map.

From what we've seen of Dread, there's maybe one upgrade that is combat-only, and even that technically lets you overcome an area threat to make it safer to traverse. Everything else, bombs, ice beams, boosted full-body-tackle charges, multi-missiles, is used to solve puzzles and traverse the map, rather than just to fight things.

ok fine... castleroid then

 

[GymWolf]

Can we stop for a moment to have a discussion of nomenclature? It's not a metroidvania. It's a metroid. Action-adventure with a focus on exploration and character progression focused on traversal and survival. "-Vania" is where the focus is split towards combat, in both overall design and character progression.

Spoiler: Explanationary tangent

There are hardly any progression elements (i.e. upgrades) in Metroid, that are solely for the purpose of combat. Everything adds to traversal or survival, letting you get into weird locations, overcome new kinds of barriers, and avoid damage from specific threats. The combat applications are secondary. It's the 'Castlevania' games where the exploration is directly mixed with combat, and progression, where it exists, acts to improve your fighting ability more often than it does to help you traverse the map.

From what we've seen of Dread, there's maybe one upgrade that is combat-only, and even that technically lets you overcome an area threat to make it safer to traverse. Everything else, bombs, ice beams, boosted full-body-tackle charges, multi-missiles, is used to solve puzzles and traverse the map, rather than just to fight things.

Yep my bad.

 

[Kimahri]

Not as much as in souls games tbh.

The boss battles in dread are on a different level compared to the old ones. When you play you will understand.

Who says I haven't?

 

[jaysius]

This guy has been a huge stan(obsessive fan) of this game way before now, it's almost like he's trying to convince himself that the game is good.

Hollow Knight is a "hard" metroidvania that's fun and fair, if anything is the "souls" of a 'Vania game then it's Hollow Knight. Is the difficulty like that or something else? If the Emmi parts are "hard" then that's just shitty padding, not difficulty, don't get it confused. Like all the chase sequences in the first ORI game aren't hard they're frustrating padding trash.

 

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This guy has been a huge stan(obsessive fan) of this game way before now, it's almost like he's trying to convince himself that the game is good.

Hollow Knight is a "hard" metroidvania that's fun and fair, if anything is the "souls" of a 'Vania game then it's Hollow Knight. Is the difficulty like that or something else? If the Emmi parts are "hard" then that's just shitty padding, not difficulty, don't get it confused. Like all the chase sequences in the first ORI game aren't hard they're frustrating padding trash.

Or he could just be enjoying it after being excited for it for so long?

And Hollow Knight is anything but fair. It a beautiful game with good art design, atmosphere and lore, excellent controls and power-up system but the level design is truly god-awful and the save-points set up in such a way as to artificially pad the length of the game, plus many of the bosses riddled with RNG bullshit.

 

[cireza]

Not sure that I will even remove the blister from the game after some things I have read here.

Game was only 10 bucks when pre-ordered with the Switch OLED. I might end up selling it new to make some money back.

 

[IKSTUGA]

Is it much harder than Samus Returns? I died a bunch of times in that one

 

[trikster40]

Can we PLEASE stop labelling everything with a bit of difficulty as soulsborne?

Games were hard before Demon's Souls, ok? They've been around since the dawn of video games. When I grew up you beat the game by dying, retrying, rince repeat. Games were hard. It's got fuck all to do with demon's souls or anything From ever did.

Amen. How about we start saying TMNT hard or Gaires hard or even just plain old hard. A lot of us don’t find Soulsborne games hard.

 

[Porcile]

I thought Samus Returns was pretty difficult for a Metroid game. Glad to hear this is also tough, but some of the bosses did feel like missile sponges and you were just waiting for the parry moment.

 

[Kimahri]

Amen. How about we start saying TMNT hard or Gaires hard or even just plain old hard. A lot of us don’t find Soulsborne games hard.

I think it's cause there was a dip for a while where games got a bit too easy, and then demon's souls came as a reaction to that. To me Demon's souls was old school, it was almost retro in it's sensibilities. And now it's popular again cause people realize that it's awesome to conquer something that initially might have kicked your ass.